The implosion of what remains of the Republican party

[Nanker]

NY Slimes says Assemblywoman Dierdre Scozzafava abruptly suspends race for Congress.

Guess it's a two horse race now.

It's surprising she did the right thing.

The seat will stay Republican.

Nice try BO, but you've been trumped - by the people.

[PearlHowardman]

It's interesting to note the conservatives taking sides in this race, a contest that would usually have been a slam dunk for a neocon (the GOP has held the seat like....forever) that is now shaping up to be a fight between the dumb and dumber aspects of what passes for conservative politics these days.

 

 

Just hope you all appreciate the Times link.

 

 

 

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/1...=home_headlines

 

Sorry, dude! Your supposed joy has all the authenticity of the White House stating that they "created or saved" all of those thousands of jobs.

 

FACT: Democrats are in worse shape - and they're actually in charge of...everything!

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FACT: Democrats are in worse shape - and they're actually in charge of...everything!

 

I beg to differ on that one. Democrats have a big enough majority in the House and Senate to overcome any Republican takeover in 2010. More importantly the Democrats will still control enough state legislatures to affect the Congressional redistricting after the 2010 Census

[IDBillzFan]

NY Slimes says Assemblywoman Dierdre Scozzafava abruptly suspends race for Congress.

Guess it's a two horse race now.

It's surprising she did the right thing.

The seat will stay Republican.

Nice try BO, but you've been trumped - by the people.

So after dropping out of the race, the Acorn- and DailyKos-endorsed "Republican" Scozzafava comes out of the closet and endorses the Democrat Owens. So embarrassing is this that even her campaign spokesperson, Matt Burns, turned his back on his liberal candidate and came out in support of Hoffman.

 

Gotta hand it to the left; it's a crafty little move. Appoint the sitting Republican to some presidential basement desk job, get a liberal Republican in place so when DeDe starts backing all of Pelosi's policies, they can yell "Look, we're bipartisan!!"

 

Recent polls show Hoffman up by 17 points now. If he wins this thing...well, let's just say that in t-minus 14 days, 2 hours and 43 minutes, Bishop will have something else to keep his mind busy.

[Magox]

Bitter tartar anyone?

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...id=afQoujAldk.U

 

Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Former Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava endorsed the Democratic contender for a vacant New York congressional seat over a Conservative backed by Republican leaders one day after she withdrew from the race.

 

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and 1199SEIU, a health-care workers’ affiliate of the Service Employees International Union, spent a combined $1.1 million in support of Owens’s candidacy through Oct. 27, according to Federal Election Commission records.

[1billsfan]

So after dropping out of the race, the Acorn- and DailyKos-endorsed "Republican" Scozzafava comes out of the closet and endorses the Democrat Owens. So embarrassing is this that even her campaign spokesperson, Matt Burns, turned his back on his liberal candidate and came out in support of Hoffman.

 

Gotta hand it to the left; it's a crafty little move. Appoint the sitting Republican to some presidential basement desk job, get a liberal Republican in place so when DeDe starts backing all of Pelosi's policies, they can yell "Look, we're bipartisan!!"

 

Recent polls show Hoffman up by 17 points now. If he wins this thing...well, let's just say that in t-minus 14 days, 2 hours and 43 minutes, Bishop will have something else to keep his mind busy.

 

First Virginia fell, then this liberal republican's campaign imploded under the national spotlight, and on to New Jersey Governor's race were I can't wait to vote tomorrow and be a part of the implosion trifecta of this year's liberal candidates.

[PastaJoe]

Being in the tv market that covers the 23rd, I'll be glad when it's over so I don't have to see all the political commercials all the time. If the Democrats do well tomorrow, they'll claim it's a referendum on Obama. If the Republicans do well, they'll claim it's a referendum on Obama. The truth is neither is true.

 

The two governor races are about the persons and campaigns in the races. I predict a Republican win in Virginia and a Democrat win in New Jersey. The 23rd is a funny race. It's a traditional Republican district, with the last election going to the Republican by a 2-1 margin. But Obama won the district for himself last year. Then a cabal of 11 Republicans chose a candidate (Dede) instead of running a primary, who according to the commercials is the only one in the race who is for card check, Obama's economic policies, and gay marriage. So the real moderate ends up being the Democrat, and the Conservatives put forth a candidate who's for a flat tax, privatizing Social Security, and is anti-abortion rights. So it will be interesting if the majority Republican district will stay moderate and give enough support to the Democrat to win, or will they take a hard turn to the right and support a Conservative. Right now it's too close to call, and will probably be decided on which side can get their voters out. If the Conservative wins, it could be a case of winning the battle but losing the war, if it encourages a group that would consider Reagan policies as R.I.N.O., to run a hard line Conservative for senator, governor, or the presidency.

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First Virginia fell

 

I'll be glad when that's over so Bob McDonnell and Creigh Deeds stop calling

[Magox]

Being in the tv market that covers the 23rd, I'll be glad when it's over so I don't have to see all the political commercials all the time. If the Democrats do well tomorrow, they'll claim it's a referendum on Obama. If the Republicans do well, they'll claim it's a referendum on Obama. The truth is neither is true.

 

The two governor races are about the persons and campaigns in the races. I predict a Republican win in Virginia and a Democrat win in New Jersey. The 23rd is a funny race. It's a traditional Republican district, with the last election going to the Republican by a 2-1 margin. But Obama won the district for himself last year. Then a cabal of 11 Republicans chose a candidate (Dede) instead of running a primary, who according to the commercials is the only one in the race who is for card check, Obama's economic policies, and gay marriage. So the real moderate ends up being the Democrat, and the Conservatives put forth a candidate who's for a flat tax, privatizing Social Security, and is anti-abortion rights. So it will be interesting if the majority Republican district will stay moderate and give enough support to the Democrat to win, or will they take a hard turn to the right and support a Conservative. Right now it's too close to call, and will probably be decided on which side can get their voters out. If the Conservative wins, it could be a case of winning the battle but losing the war, if it encourages a group that would consider Reagan policies as R.I.N.O., to run a hard line Conservative for senator, governor, or the presidency.

The Virginia race I believe is a referendum on BO's policies, which is one of the reasons why Deeds was initially hesitant in receiving BO's help. Virginia has historically been a red state, and the right is energized as they strongly oppose BO's policies. The Left in Virginia, which is in the northern region, many African Americans are not motivated to go out and vote for Deeds, specially considering the unemployment situation.

 

In regards to New Jersey, it is more about Corzine and his sucktitude. The guy is hiding in BO's shadow, chanting "yes we can" and using the same tactics from the 2008 election in trying to paint Christie as one in the same with Bush. It is a tough race, it will be interesting to see who comes out on top.

 

The 23rd district race is definitely the most intriguing race out of them all. I don't see it the way you do, I see it as more of a wakeup call to Republicans, and more of a message as "Hey, wake the !@#$ up! You have lost your way, it's time to be fiscally responsible again." The message will be received loud and clear. I don't expect this to be the last district where something like this happens, but in no way shape or form do I expect it to be the norm. The "Conservative" movement will only be fought in specially selected red districts, it won't be a widespread movement, but definitely will get a lot of the headlines. I know the left will try to spin a story in how this will flush out the moderates, but it will only be in select cases.

 

The GOP had lost their voice, slowly but surely they are regaining it again, and that is because this administration and congress is the most radical liberal government we have ever seen here in the U.S.

 

The voice of opposition against bigger government intrusion and higher taxes is gaining momentum every day that passes. The majority of the people are uncomfortable with the idea of the government getting larger, making decisions that will saddle future generations with tremendous deficits that they will have to deal with, taxation that we will be seeing in the next few years that will be at historic levels, and a transformation of government that is moving towards socialism. Liberals scoff and ridicule anyone who suggests that we are moving towards socialism, but the reality is that we are, and the majority of the people don't like the direction that this country is heading in.

 

So, this special election is more symbolic than anything else, and I think it is a good thing, even if the "conservative" loses.

 

For those who don't know what socialism is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

 

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended

 

Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potentialities[4] and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.

 

Now go ahead and tell me that we aren't inching in that direction.

[IDBillzFan]

The 23rd district race is definitely the most intriguing race out of them all. I don't see it the way you do, I see it as more of a wakeup call to Republicans, and more of a message as "Hey, wake the !@#$ up! You have lost your way, it's time to be fiscally responsible again." The message will be received loud and clear. I don't expect this to be the last district where something like this happens, but in no way shape or form do I expect it to be the norm. The "Conservative" movement will only be fought in specially selected red districts, it won't be a widespread movement, but definitely will get a lot of the headlines. I know the left will try to spin a story in how this will flush out the moderates, but it will only be in select cases.

I think that's a very fair assessment. One thing I would add is that the headlines are already talking about this hurting the GOP because they are not in a position to turn people away, and the whole issue of anti-gay marriage and pro-life is the killer for them. Now, broadly speaking I think that's true. But as it relates to NY23, the reality is that the Republican nominee makes Blue Dogs look conservative. Banked by Acorn, SEIU and endorsed by DailyKos is all you need to know about DeDe. So while it's easy for people to say "Well, the reason she got run out is because she's pro gay marriage and pro-choice," it's also dead wrong. The true conservative Republicans turned on her because she is is a flaming liberal who was taking the payoff from the left to get a cush "yessir" job while approving every bill Nancy Pelosi put in her lap.

 

In fact, I read earlier today that the NY Conservative Party chair is requesting an investigation after it came out that DeDe met with one of Pelosi's henchman and may have taken a payoff to endorse Owens. (I have no idea why that would require an investigation, but I think the argument is that DeDe is letting the DNC cover her debt in exchange for the endorsement, which would likely lead to DeDe finally coming out of the closet and admitting she's a flaming lib and not a Republican.)

 

So yeah, the GOP has some challenges ahead, but it's not illustrated in the case of DeDe Scofforoza (or whatever he name is). DeDe was a shill for the left, and if Hoffman wins tomorrow, BO and Pelosi have egg on their face. As will Michael Steele and Newt Gingrich.

[Magox]

I think that's a very fair assessment. One thing I would add is that the headlines are already talking about this hurting the GOP because they are not in a position to turn people away, and the whole issue of anti-gay marriage and pro-life is the killer for them. Now, broadly speaking I think that's true. But as it relates to NY23, the reality is that the Republican nominee makes Blue Dogs look conservative. Banked by Acorn, SEIU and endorsed by DailyKos is all you need to know about DeDe. So while it's easy for people to say "Well, the reason she got run out is because she's pro gay marriage and pro-choice," it's also dead wrong. The true conservative Republicans turned on her because she is is a flaming liberal who was taking the payoff from the left to get a cush "yessir" job while approving every bill Nancy Pelosi put in her lap.

 

In fact, I read earlier today that the NY Conservative Party chair is requesting an investigation after it came out that DeDe met with one of Pelosi's henchman and may have taken a payoff to endorse Owens. (I have no idea why that would require an investigation, but I think the argument is that DeDe is letting the DNC cover her debt in exchange for the endorsement, which would likely lead to DeDe finally coming out of the closet and admitting she's a flaming lib and not a Republican.)

 

So yeah, the GOP has some challenges ahead, but it's not illustrated in the case of DeDe Scofforoza (or whatever he name is). DeDe was a shill for the left, and if Hoffman wins tomorrow, BO and Pelosi have egg on their face. As will Michael Steele and Newt Gingrich.

The future of the GOP is to be more socially liberal on issues such as abortion, gay rights, gun control and immigration and be much more conservative on fiscal policies.

[Alaska Darin]

gun control

[John Adams]

The future of the GOP is to be more socially liberal on issues such as abortion, gay rights, gun control and immigration and be much more conservative on fiscal policies.

 

You're right. Reagan's big tent doesn't have room for the social controllers (religious right) and individual rights people under the same roof. Moreover, there no longer remain small-government-fiscally-conservative-GOP candidates at the national level.

 

What's needed is a new answer and it's not the Libertarian Party--not because its platform is intellectually bankrupt--but its credibility tends to be.

[Magox]

AD, I'm not advocating the same platform as some of the Liberals regarding this matter, but a more liberal stance.

[IDBillzFan]

Joe Biden has to be batschitt looney right now.

 

First of all, here we have Obama initially helping Deeds in VA and Corzine in NJ, but they send Plugs to Watertown for Owens. It reminds of a Peanuts scene:

 

Deeds: "I got Obama."

Corzine. "I got three Obamas."

Owens: "I got a rock."

 

So Plugs shows up in Watertown where only 200 show up, and the only thing he can do to help Owens is slam Sarah Palin on energy. Of course, the Palin comment is the only thing that comes out of the speech, so Palin responds on Facebook by mocking Biden/Obama and how they're helping Brazil drill offshore, and just like that Biden's time is immediately rendered useless by a know-nothing broad with a laptop. While I am not a huge Palin fan from, the political front (mostly because she's been effectively painted as a running-gag dunce by the left) it is becoming increasingly clear that her role in politics today is hysterical. She has people like Biden completely on the ropes because all the time the left spends swinging at people like Palin, Beck, Rush, etc. is time spent swinging at air.

 

This would be pretty embarrassing for politics as a whole if it weren't so goddamn funny.

[Lori]

It's interesting to note the conservatives taking sides in this race, a contest that would usually have been a slam dunk for a neocon (the GOP has held the seat like....forever) that is now shaping up to be a fight between the dumb and dumber aspects of what passes for conservative politics these days.

 

 

Just hope you all appreciate the Times link.

 

 

 

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/1...=home_headlines

Actually, I do appreciate any and all love for the WashTimes, because a friend works there. (Keep clicking those links!)

 

And he's one of the biggest diehard liberals I know. Any more stereotypes you'd care to share?

[Jim in Anchorage]

AD, I'm not advocating the same platform as some of the Liberals regarding this matter, but a more liberal stance.

Meaning what precisely?

[Magox]

Meaning what precisely?

Meaning I don't see the point of anyone from the general public owning AK 47's

[Bishop Hedd]

Actually, I do appreciate any and all love for the WashTimes, because a friend works there. (Keep clicking those links!)

 

And he's one of the biggest diehard liberals I know. Any more stereotypes you'd care to share?

Didn't realize I was making one. What does your friend do...cover the Nats?

 

The interesting part of the 23rd race is if the dem wins it will be a kick in the shins to the far right conservative elite axis of Palin/Boner/and Limbaugh. I don't think these noted conservatives understand that this district is not located in the deep South. Limbaugh always goes off on how the gop has to eliminate the moderates and the liberals from the party and they will win all the time.

 

 

I doubt that will be the case this time, just have to wait and see.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Meaning I don't see the point of anyone from the general public owning AK 47's

Well then you got your wish. The AK 47 is a fully automatic weapon that is virtually impossible to obtain legally in this country. Don't let Feinstein and Brady get you confused with the semi auto civilian copy's.