mike schopp is my dad Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 As Aristotle, the greatest of philosphers, said, "Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying civilization." It's pretty funny that you'd use Aristotle as your philosophical foundation against gay tolerance, particularly since Aristotle lived in a society that thought men hooking up with boys was all well and good.
benderbender Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 There are different rules for different people. When you're Joe Schmoe talking to your friends, no one cares what you say. But when you're a about to be 30 year old running back in the decline of his career (average retirement age 32) who threatened to sit out training camp so he could have his contract re-worked to be one of the highest paid RB's on a last place team has been arrested four times since 2003 on various assault charges against women people may be more than a little eager to take offense to what you say.
VJ91 Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 I've never been a fan of political correctness & now the NFL is all over Larry Johnson for using the word fag.... Let me guess, you watch re-runs of "All in the Family" every night and laugh at every word "Archie Bunker" says, right? Number one, liberals are in charge of the country, and all they care about is hypocrital political correctness. They live for that stuff. But beyond that, isn't it about time for every single person living in the USA, conservative (which I am), liberal or in between, to stop making racial slurs once and for all? If you are defending Johnson for using the ignorant word "fag" more then once, then you must be homophobic yourself. Finally, when you are an elite athlete or entertainer earning about 1,000 times more then the average fan rooting for you or paying money to watch you perform, then you should not be saying ignorant stupid things in the first place. Larry Johnson is a moron, and deserves any punishment KC decides to hand down.
The Senator Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 It's pretty funny that you'd use Aristotle as your philosophical foundation against gay tolerance, particularly since Aristotle lived in a society that thought men hooking up with boys was all well and good. Like I said - as far as philosophers go, Aristotle was nothing more than a sweeper. Socrates is your 'go-to' guy...
KD in CA Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 But beyond that, isn't it about time for every single person living in the USA, conservative (which I am), liberal or in between, to stop making racial slurs once and for all? "fag" is a racial slur? See, that's the problem. We've moved beyond the racial aspect of this argument (which may have been reasonable since certain people were actually slaves in this country at one time). Now, we look for any reason for someone to 'get offended' so that we can add more and more words and opinions to the 'slur' list. Isn't tossing around the word 'idiot' a slur against mentally handicapped people? Does using that word need to be punished too? Really, were does it end?
Thurman#1 Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 Bingo. As for the fag thing, it doesn't really make much of a difference to the gay community. Do you honestly think that an intelligent gay person is going to take offense because some ignorant moron used the word fag in his twitter page? Obviously not... Just like intelligent black people don't get offended at the "n" word anymore when spoken by some moron redneck. Sure, everyone gets up in arms, but deep down, nobody is really offended, because all that LJ did was prove to the world that he's a grade A retard... oops, i may have offended someone... Don't kid yourself. Intelligent people are still offended by this stuff, even if it is an ignorant person saying it. It's just that they usually realize that speaking up about it is more trouble than it is worth. They swallow their anger. Yeah, LJ is an idiot. But being an idiot doesn't make it all OK.
Beebe's Kid Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 Let me guess, you watch re-runs of "All in the Family" every night and laugh at every word "Archie Bunker" says, right? Number one, liberals are in charge of the country, and all they care about is hypocrital political correctness. They live for that stuff. But beyond that, isn't it about time for every single person living in the USA, conservative (which I am), liberal or in between, to stop making racial slurs once and for all? If you are defending Johnson for using the ignorant word "fag" more then once, then you must be homophobic yourself. Finally, when you are an elite athlete or entertainer earning about 1,000 times more then the average fan rooting for you or paying money to watch you perform, then you should not be saying ignorant stupid things in the first place. Larry Johnson is a moron, and deserves any punishment KC decides to hand down. Wow...that is good stuff. Better to be more on than more off. The hypocritical political correctness part...yeah, there is a reason that liberals run the country, and that is people like you are conservatives. I don't want to try to sway you, but I will tell you that Democrats do not want to take your guns, and that unless you make the kind of money that LJ does, you know...the "1,000 times more then average fan," you would not be affected by the tax increases that uneducated right-wingers fear. Ignorant is lacking knowledge or awareness. This would render an inanimate object, such as the word fag, unable to possess the ability to be ignorant. Johnson, himself, could be ignorant, which is probably the case. I am not sure he comes from the same aristocratic background as yourself, and maybe he is not aware of the implications for saying, as you so eloquently put it, "ignorant stupid things." I am sure you have a long day of blocking same sex marriages, and going to town hall meetings and sharing your profound opinion on health care, polishing your gun collection, and whatever else goes into the day of a proud, patriotic conservative like yourself. I may recommend that you word on a little reading comprehension, because there wasn't really any defense of LJ using the "ignorant stupid" word, rather just a little debate over the ramifications and possible consequences, but it was nice of you to drop in and take a dig at the liberals that are trying to did the country out of the "1,000 times more" deep hole that the conservatives put us in. At least they did it straight forward and honestly, no hypocrisy or "ignorant stupid things." I guess my "stupid ignorant" liberal closing statement would be something like: Larry Johnson made a very poor decision. Whether Mr. Johnson was, or was not, aware of the severity of his comments and the damage they could cause, is a moot point. Mr. Johnson was wrong and is to be punished. The severity of the punishment is yet to be determined, but hopefully he is punished in a matter deemed, by both his labor union, his employer, and the league. It would be nice to see this young man, who has enjoyed a successful career on the field, to pick himself up and dust himself and provide an exemplary model for aspiring youth to be proud to emulate. XOXO, Bleeding Heart
Adam Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 Wow...that is good stuff. Better to be more on than more off. I am sure you have a long day of blocking same sex marriages, and going to town hall meetings and sharing your profound opinion on health care, polishing your gun collection, and whatever else goes into the day of a proud, patriotic conservative like yourself. I may recommend that you word on a little reading comprehension, because there wasn't really any defense of LJ using the "ignorant stupid" word, rather just a little debate over the ramifications and possible consequences, but it was nice of you to drop in and take a dig at the liberals that are trying to did the country out of the "1,000 times more" deep hole that the conservatives put us in. At least they did it straight forward and honestly, no hypocrisy or "ignorant stupid things." XOXO, Bleeding Heart Conservatives didn't put us in the hole- stupidity did.
mchammer Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 Wow...that is about what I can muster reading about this story. The dude called his coach out on TWITTER...when will athletes just cancel their accounts? Every week somebody pops off and gets in trouble on Twitter. When you are playing a game and getting that kind of scratch to do it...just stay off of Twitter, and maybe cancel your Facebook and MySpace while you are at it. As far as the "f" word goes...give me a freaking break. We are so desensitized as a culture it is unbelievable. The onslaught of media is everywhere, so if you are a parent, and you let your child think Larry Johnson is really a role model, then please give your children up for adoption. Think about what kind of mindset you have to have to play pro football... You probably are a little aggressive (TE being the exception) and pretty competitive. Nice guy is generally not a prerequisite for an athlete to be a fan favorite...yeah, it helps, but it is a performance based business, and to compete with the best players in the world, you probably have a little bit of an edge. I am not excusing his use of the slur...as an athlete you need to realize that your contract is because you can perform better than most, but it is also so high because you are a public attraction. You need to use discretion, and LJ did not. Fine, suspension, whatever, is appropriate. My point is you can turn on prime time TV and see all the sex and violence you want...shows about grotesque murders, adultery, basically the less ethical the better... LJ, frustrated calls his coach a fag, out of frustration with his laughingstock of a team and obvious fading personal skills, and it hurt somebody? If you are hurt by that, I feel you are setting a double standard. Our children are subjected to the everything at such a young age and there are real issues that nobody pays attention to, but they jump on LJ for saying the "f" word... I am pretty sure if you go to any playground during any recess in any gradeschool in the country you will hear a lot worse. If you are hurt, and would take the time to contact the league office and complain, to make sure LJ "gets what he deserves" are you any better? This guy didn't call his coach a fag because he really thinks his coach is a homosexual, and because he was hoping to step on the hornets nest and get the gay community fired up. The true crime would be making it your mission to ruin this talented athletes career, and cause him possible financial duress (I know he has made a pile of money, but what is he going to do when it's done, and he donated his body to the making football fans cheer?) over a Tweet that had nothing to do with his sexuality, but rather just and undereducated member of society voicing his displeasure with his employers ineffectiveness... look in the mirror and ask who is the bigger jackass. His attack was nothing personal against homosexuals, while unfortunate, it was done out of ignorance. The subsequent crucifixion would be done with vengeance. So when you are gasping about the harm he has done to the children, remember that you are showing them that when you try to nail him to the cross for it. I remember something like two wrongs don't make a right, and although the comments were a horrible decision, remember don't educate, forgive, or overlook a person of limited intelligences inability to always make the best decision...just go all teeth and claws, drag in the muck and the mire by giving it constant media attention. I can already see Bob Ley doing an Between the Lines...tsk tsk LJ. Always go for the jugular, because to err is human but to completely blow the situation out of proportion, take offense to something that had nothing to do with you, and then ruin the perpetrator's life is divine....have a blessed day. I could not have said it any better.
Albany,n.y. Posted October 30, 2009 Author Posted October 30, 2009 Let me guess, you watch re-runs of "All in the Family" every night and laugh at every word "Archie Bunker" says, right? Number one, liberals are in charge of the country, and all they care about is hypocrital political correctness. They live for that stuff. But beyond that, isn't it about time for every single person living in the USA, conservative (which I am), liberal or in between, to stop making racial slurs once and for all? If you are defending Johnson for using the ignorant word "fag" more then once, then you must be homophobic yourself. Finally, when you are an elite athlete or entertainer earning about 1,000 times more then the average fan rooting for you or paying money to watch you perform, then you should not be saying ignorant stupid things in the first place. Larry Johnson is a moron, and deserves any punishment KC decides to hand down. Actually, my point was that in a league where the anti-gay culture is so prevalent that no player would ever come out as gay for fear of bodily harm, the fact that Johnson is being attacked for his words is quite hypocritical. The NFL needs to do a lot more to change that culture than to pay lip service to people who are protesting the use of a word. That's the problem I have with political correctness-it does nothing to solve a problem. If you think I was defending Johnson, I was only trying to prove a point that actions are more important than words & before the NFL, Chiefs etc go after Johnson's use of a word, they need to work on their anti-gay culture.
VJ91 Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 Wow...that is good stuff. Better to be more on than more off. The hypocritical political correctness part...yeah, there is a reason that liberals run the country, and that is people like you are conservatives. I don't want to try to sway you, but I will tell you that Democrats do not want to take your guns, and that unless you make the kind of money that LJ does, you know...the "1,000 times more then average fan," you would not be affected by the tax increases that uneducated right-wingers fear. Ignorant is lacking knowledge or awareness. This would render an inanimate object, such as the word fag, unable to possess the ability to be ignorant. Johnson, himself, could be ignorant, which is probably the case. I am not sure he comes from the same aristocratic background as yourself, and maybe he is not aware of the implications for saying, as you so eloquently put it, "ignorant stupid things." I am sure you have a long day of blocking same sex marriages, and going to town hall meetings and sharing your profound opinion on health care, polishing your gun collection, and whatever else goes into the day of a proud, patriotic conservative like yourself. I may recommend that you word on a little reading comprehension, because there wasn't really any defense of LJ using the "ignorant stupid" word, rather just a little debate over the ramifications and possible consequences, but it was nice of you to drop in and take a dig at the liberals that are trying to did the country out of the "1,000 times more" deep hole that the conservatives put us in. At least they did it straight forward and honestly, no hypocrisy or "ignorant stupid things." I guess my "stupid ignorant" liberal closing statement would be something like: Larry Johnson made a very poor decision. Whether Mr. Johnson was, or was not, aware of the severity of his comments and the damage they could cause, is a moot point. Mr. Johnson was wrong and is to be punished. The severity of the punishment is yet to be determined, but hopefully he is punished in a matter deemed, by both his labor union, his employer, and the league. It would be nice to see this young man, who has enjoyed a successful career on the field, to pick himself up and dust himself and provide an exemplary model for aspiring youth to be proud to emulate. XOXO, Bleeding Heart In reality, President Obama and his liberal democratic majority are running this country because for millions of Americans he represented a refreshing new hope for the future of America. Time wil tell if he lives up to those expectations. I however, don't think I deserved your anti-conservative rant just because I made one comment, that liberals love to be politically correct. Of course that is true, and it was just one of my reasons for thinking Johnson was so stupid to say what he said. And as far as this comment of yours: "I may recommend that you word on a little reading comprehension, because there wasn't really any defense of LJ using the "ignorant stupid" word,..."[/i] Oh really? Nobody defended his use of the word? Well please "word" me on what you comprehend this statement to mean: "Is Larry Johnson being unfairly singled out? He very well could be." ...a quote taken from the original thread poster, Albany. Oh and by the way, he called this thread; " What did Larry Johnson do that was so wrong?" ... if both of those statments are not meant to defend Johnson's words, then what in the world has this 4 plus page thread been discussing in the first place? As a liberal, you should not be so insecure. You have all the majority votes to make any changes you want, and at least another year to make them. I hope that's not too politcally correct of me to say!
StupidNation Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 It's pretty funny that you'd use Aristotle as your philosophical foundation against gay tolerance, particularly since Aristotle lived in a society that thought men hooking up with boys was all well and good. Actually it's funny that it wasn't openly tolerated in the society of Greeks until it's final 50 years (not a coincidence) of greatness, it's even funnier that you associate a time of civilation with the person writing it as if they can be equated. Maybe I should associate you with socialism, attacking other nations sovereignty while lying, homosexuality, NAMBLA and other things because you "lived in a society that thought" (to use your words) that are accepted. I mean didn't you know that the American Psychiatric Association has members which see nothing wrong with pedophilia if the youngster is ok with it and I should associate you with such thought too right? The movie L.I.E was given indy rave reviews, should I associate you with that powerful movie too? Remember that non sequiturs are not only bad logic, but just lazy thinking. You cannot associate a person with a culture, any more than I can do that to you or you to me.
NyQuil Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 Does this really need to become a Liberals vs Conservatives debate?
Beebe's Kid Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 I however, don't think I deserved your anti-conservative rant just because I made one comment, that liberals love to be politically correct. Oh really? Nobody defended his use of the word? Well please "word" me on what you comprehend this statement to mean: "Is Larry Johnson being unfairly singled out? He very well could be." ...a quote taken from the original thread poster, Albany. Oh and by the way, he called this thread; " What did Larry Johnson do that was so wrong?" ... if both of those statments are not meant to defend Johnson's words, then what in the world has this 4 plus page thread been discussing in the first place? As a liberal, you should not be so insecure. You have all the majority votes to make any changes you want, and at least another year to make them. I hope that's not too politcally correct of me to say! Nice catch on my typo using word instead of work...touche, ol'sport. The whole conservative/liberal thing was due to the fact that you felt that had any relevance to what Johnson said, and that you somehow felt the need to make a quick slam on the liberals, which I felt was ironic, since you were setting yourself up to call posters homophobes. In response to your defending Johnson sentiments, what I was reading is that some felt the backlash and the indefinite (at the time) suspension was a little harsh. I thought that subsequent posts discussing that the Chiefs were probably going to use this as leverage to get out from underneath his contract. I would be willing to bet, that if Johnson was in the middle of another 1,700+ yard-season, the Chiefs would have defended him, rather than suspend him. This holds true even if he would have blasted the coach. I feel this would have been an "we are handling this internally," issue with a bunch of apologizing. As far as your last dig goes...don't concern yourself with being too politically correct, or any other kind of correct for that matter. I didn't really want to get into a political pissing match with you, I just felt that your bringing liberals into the conversation, in a completely distorted context, needed addressed. Maybe it was my being insecure, or maybe just plain old ignorant, or whatever word you want to you to incorrectly describe it. XOXO, Left Wing
Beebe's Kid Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 Conservatives didn't put us in the hole- stupidity did. ...yeah
bigc14120 Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 Bigots don't realize they are bigots. Stupid people are too stupid to realize they are stupid. We need to remember, they have the right to their own views on these subjects...society cannot dictate. Now, his employer, they can demand political correctness. Larry needs to keep his mouth shut when he is collecting the big bucks. Nobody says he has to support gay rights....he just needs to MUTE.
Albany,n.y. Posted October 30, 2009 Author Posted October 30, 2009 Oh really? Nobody defended his use of the word? Well please "word" me on what you comprehend this statement to mean: "Is Larry Johnson being unfairly singled out? He very well could be." ...a quote taken from the original thread poster, Albany. Oh and by the way, he called this thread; " What did Larry Johnson do that was so wrong?" ... if both of those statments are not meant to defend Johnson's words, then what in the world has this 4 plus page thread been discussing in the first place? Well, here's the context: "Is Larry Johnson being unfairly singled out? He very well could be." -That's not a defense of Johnson, as much as it is an indictment of the NFL culture where just about anybody could feel comfortable thinking it's ok to slur gays. As I stated, the culture of this board is much the same. Really, other than the word chosen, how many times have you seen stuff like "that's so gay" "that's the gayest thing..." ON THIS BOARD. So, why single out a guy, when it's pervasive? Because he was dumb enough to use it on twitter & repeat it in public? I'm defending his right not to be singled out when all he did was use a word. Once again-gay players stay in the closet due to fear of physical harm-they wouldn't be afraid to come out if the only threat was to be called a fag. So what is worse, the use of a word, or the actual physical harm a gay player would be threatened with? What did Larry Johnson do that was so wrong was the question used to get this topic, which was about a day old & not discussed, discussed. The fact that we're on our 4th page indicates to me the question succeeded in bringing out a discussion of the topic.
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