Chef Jim Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 RING RING!!!!!! ON YOUR LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Because bikers are !@#$s is not a reason why I wouldn't drop one of you, it's the reason I would.
Chef Jim Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 I never thought I was, either. Nor did I ever say that traffic laws dont apply to cyclists. All I ever said was there were were certain and specific instances where they might be ignored. Such as making full stops at stop signs on a stone cold empty road in the early morning hours. Even DRIVERS dont do that. And if you go read what I wrote before Jim got all kinds of crazy and tough-guy, youd see that. To be serious for a second, Im shocked neither you nor Jim can figure out my position on this. I kept saying I dont tolerate nor condone wreckless or inconsiderate behavior on the road and that traffic rules apply in full in virtually all conditions. I AGREED with you idiots, except with a small caveat that there may be times where traffic laws for cars dont logically work for cyclists, and that is dicated not by the cyclist's "attitude", but by traffic conditions. Dude, would you stop writing stupid **** like that.
Just Jack Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 All I ever said was there were were certain and specific instances where they might be ignored. Such as making full stops at stop signs on a stone cold empty road in the early morning hours. Even DRIVERS dont do that. I stop.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Had he been moving that fast I would have waited for the tool to pass through the intersection, but I passed him going 15 mph decelerating into my turn like he was standing still. I'd be shocked if he was going 3 mph. He was just an arrogant ass who thinks everyone should cater to his little bicycle rules. Bicycles on the road = Sailboats on the water. No offense Chef!
thebug Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 If they want to share the road, why do they always pass a row of cars on the right? Wait in line head. I like to pull as far to the right as I can so they can't pass, they don't like that.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 If they want to share the road, why do they always pass a row of cars on the right? Wait in line head. I like to pull as far to the right as I can so they can't pass, they don't like that. Some people on motorcycles are just as worse! Did you check out the nice ballet act that Brad Pitt just pulled! What a bunch od dumbasses... Then they scream and cry whent hey get hurt giving the good drivers and riders a bad name. To me a bike is just a slow moving vehicle with all the same rights and responsibility to follow the rules... They need to get over the difference in speed, IMO.
Chef Jim Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Bicycles on the road = Sailboats on the water. No offense Chef! Not even close. At least out here where people know how to sail. Motorboats and jet skis are the idiots.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Not even close. At least out here where people know how to sail. Motorboats and jet skis are the idiots. Only under sail not in confined areas. What you don't have ships or other large vessels in confined areas that the sailboats have to give way to? Given these situations, sailboats are the idiots. It is all about rules of the road.
KD in CA Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 That guy is my hero, plowing his way through that crowd of hippies!
Chef Jim Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Only under sail not in confined areas. What you don't have ships or other large vessels in confined areas that the sailboats have to give way to? Given these situations, sailboats are the idiots. It is all about rules of the road. I'd argue with you but I have no idea what you just said.
Ramius Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 After watching some of the youtube videos, these "critical mass" douchebags deserve to get run over.
thebug Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 I'd argue with you but I have no idea what you just said. That's never stopped you before.
Chef Jim Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 That's never stopped you before. Usually I can figure it out. This time.....not so well.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 I'd argue with you but I have no idea what you just said. Obviously, you really haven't sailed that much IN ALL kinds of different situations. The truth of the matter is that bicycles and sailboats act exactly the same way. The only diffence on water than land is that some vessels are "burdened"... That being the faster more agile craft need to give way to the craft that can't move as well because of size and other factors. So ya, motorboats and jet ski are jag-offs becasuse the have to yield to sailboats most of the time and they do not... But, anything bigger or less manueverable than a sailboat comes along and the sailors become the jag-offs. I deal with 10's of thousands of sailboats yearly, in confined waters and 90% are jag-offs refusing to yield to everybody... Just like bicycles at times... It must be a "I am self-powered thing." Funny thing is, sailors act the same way even when they are under motor power and can easily get out of the way of the less manueverable craft. So yes: Sailors = Cyclists
DC Tom Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Obviously, you really haven't sailed that much IN ALL kinds of different situations. The truth of the matter is that bicycles and sailboats act exactly the same way. The only diffence on water than land is that some vessels are "burdened"... That being the faster more agile craft need to give way to the craft that can't move as well because of size and other factors. So ya, motorboats and jet ski are jag-offs becasuse the have to yield to sailboats most of the time and they do not... But, anything bigger or less manueverable than a sailboat comes along and the sailors become the jag-offs. I deal with 10's of thousands of sailboats yearly, in confined waters and 90% are jag-offs refusing to yield to everybody... Just like bicycles at times... It must be a "I am self-powered thing." Funny thing is, sailors act the same way even when they are under motor power and can easily get out of the way of the less manueverable craft. So yes: Sailors = Cyclists Actually, by that argument cyclists should always yield right-of-way to cars. Cars are less maneuverable and more constrained (by roads). That makes them more akin to sailboats than bicycles, which are constrained in their movement when under sail by environmental constraints (i.e. the wind).
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Actually, by that argument cyclists should always yield right-of-way to cars. Cars are less maneuverable and more constrained (by roads). That makes them more akin to sailboats than bicycles, which are constrained in their movement when under sail by environmental constraints (i.e. the wind). Hey somebody is getting it... On the water, there is one level up... There is something bigger than sailboats, commercial shipping. So, cyclists are still the "sailboats"... Cars are somewhere slightly above (less manueverable). On the road there is too (one level up)... On level grade crossing and trains... Everything else on the road yields to trains right? A bike should yield to a automobile. That is exactly how it happens on the water... Even in the narrowest canals (ie: the sh*t ditch here). Even if the sailboat was under sail (not motor)... They would still have to give way to something bigger and less maneuverable in the confined waters. It only makes sense... Get the hell out of my way because I really can't handle this thing as well as you can handle your thing. Did I just say that! Also... On the water, the bigger craft can't worry about the smaller craft (to an extent)... Even if the douchebag jetski is going ballistic all over the place... That is his problem, he is the burdened vessel. Why can't the road be the same? My guess is that you would see mass carnage all over the place... Well until all the douchebag cyclists got run over leaving only the cyclists that can handle the responsibility of being burdened. If a bike is acting like a douchebag and breaking all kinds of rules, and I am obeying everything in a car... They get hit, why should it be my problem?
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Hope somebody didn't catch my edit above... I was typing fast and have a sailboat bearing down on my ass!
DC Tom Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Hey somebody is getting it... On the water, there is one level up... There is something bigger than sailboats, commercial shipping. So, cyclists are still the "sailboats"... Cars are somewhere slightly above (less manueverable). On the road there is too (one level up)... On level grade crossing and trains... Everything else on the road yields to trains right? A bike should yield to a automobile. That is exactly how it happens on the water... Even in the narrowest canals (ie: the sh*t ditch here). Even if the sailboat was under sail (not motor)... They would still have to give way to something bigger and less maneuverable in the confined waters. It only makes sense... Get the hell out of my way because I really can't handle this thing as well as you can handle your thing. Did I just say that! Also... On the water, the bigger craft can't worry about the smaller craft (to an extent)... Even if the douchebag jetski is going ballistic all over the place... That is his problem, he is the burdened vessel. Why can't the road be the same? My guess is that you would see mass carnage all over the place... Well until all the douchebag cyclists got run over leaving only the cyclists that can handle the responsibility of being burdened. If a bike is acting like a douchebag and breaking all kinds of rules, and I am obeying everything in a car... They get hit, why should it be my problem? I have absolutely no idea what the !@#$ you just said. Crazy uncle, indeed.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 I have absolutely no idea what the !@#$ you just said. Crazy uncle, indeed. Basically... I said: Get out of my way if you are bike! You can move better than me. Don't be a dumb ass and get out of the way. BTW... With regard to the article... I guess I am a "facilitator." Oh ya... When it comes to train crossings at road grade... Those should be abolished and they should make them all viaducts. Somebody I work with and has lived in England said that is how they do it there... Well I at least more than we do (viaducts)... I am not sure if this is really true.
Chef Jim Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 I have absolutely no idea what the !@#$ you just said. Crazy uncle, indeed. Thanks Tom, I was just about to start reading it.
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