K-9 Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Seriously, how is it possible to give up that many yards on the ground? I've witnessed a LOT of bad Bills teams over the years. Some with the worst possible defenses imagineable. But I don't ever recall a four game stretch like this. I mean, over a 16 game season that's 3,844 rushing yards against. I leave it to Capt. Stats to tell me what the record for rushing defense futility is but we've got to be on some sort of record setting pace here. Doesn't bode well for what lies ahead in November and December. GO BILLS!!!
Phlegm Alley Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Lack of size at the point of attack. More than anything else that's wrong with this team, its time to ditch the Tampa 2.
colin Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 it's not size per se, it's just horrible over all LB play. look at the bears tonight, they run a T2 and don't allow big runners like we do. lbs are the tackle machines in a 4-3, they should clean up most runs.
BillsVet Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Hey, they won the game. Why are you being pessimistic and raising things I want to ignore? Just kidding, but yeah it's a major problem that they've got from being top half of the league last season against the rush (with the 31st hardest schedule) to being the league's worst in 2009. We're told how good Stroud, Williams, and Posluszny are against the run in the middle. I'm not so sure anymore.
bills_red Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 We are starting 2 LB that are like 220 lbs. Stroud is far from what he was also.
The Big Cat Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 We got straight torched on counters and cut backs today. To my knowledge that's the responsibility of the backside secondary, so methinks Mr. Byrd did a fine job today breaking even. EDIT: We knew LB would be our weakest unit on defense. And that was before the injuries. Further, the offense did the unit no favors against New Orleans, Miami, and Cleveland, meaning huge chunks came during late-game fatigue hour.
bills_red Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 We got straight torched on counters and cut backs today. To my knowledge that's the responsibility of the backside secondary, so methinks Mr. Byrd did a fine job today breaking even. On plays were the G pulls (counters) the LBs need to read the pulling G and follow him as he will follow you to the ball. As they say the G doesn't lie. (If your a LB, DBs don't read the G they stay in pass untill they know its a run)
ExWNYer Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Seriously, how is it possible to give up that many yards on the ground? I've witnessed a LOT of bad Bills teams over the years. Some with the worst possible defenses imagineable. But I don't ever recall a four game stretch like this. I mean, over a 16 game season that's 3,844 rushing yards against. I leave it to Capt. Stats to tell me what the record for rushing defense futility is but we've got to be on some sort of record setting pace here. Doesn't bode well for what lies ahead in November and December. GO BILLS!!! Lack of size + poor tackling + bad scheme + ridiculous injuries + no LB depth heading into the season + Jauron = possible
bills_red Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Lack of size+poor tackling+bad scheme+ridiculous injuries+no LB depth heading into the season+Jauron = possible lol, or this
KD in CA Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Seriously, how is it possible to give up that many yards on the ground? Drafting the smallest guy possible at every position?
Guest dog14787 Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Seriously, how is it possible to give up that many yards on the ground? I've witnessed a LOT of bad Bills teams over the years. Some with the worst possible defenses imagineable. But I don't ever recall a four game stretch like this. I mean, over a 16 game season that's 3,844 rushing yards against. I leave it to Capt. Stats to tell me what the record for rushing defense futility is but we've got to be on some sort of record setting pace here. Doesn't bode well for what lies ahead in November and December. GO BILLS!!! The Bills are ranked 4th in the NFL in pass Defense
The Big Cat Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 On plays were the G pulls (counters) the LBs need to read the pulling G and follow him as he will follow you to the ball. As they say the G doesn't lie. (If your a LB, DBs don't read the G they stay in pass untill they know its a run) Love the insight! Thanks. Some of their longer carriers were on cutbacks though, where the RB ran against the flow of the G's, more or less exposing the secondary. How does this apply?
K-9 Posted October 19, 2009 Author Posted October 19, 2009 The Bills are ranked 4th in the NFL in pass Defense Please tell me you're being sarcastic here. Please. GO BILLS!!!
The Big Cat Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Please tell me you're being sarcastic here. Please. GO BILLS!!! Assuming the stat is correct, do you really fail to see the correlation?
bills_red Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Love the insight! Thanks. Some of their longer carriers were on cutbacks though, where the RB ran against the flow of the G's, more or less exposing the secondary. How does this apply? I am no DC but.....your D-Line still needs to have gap control, you can't have all your guys going to one area or cutback will happen. At OSU they tell the D-Line to keep in their gaps so (This is why some people thought Vernon Gholston was doging it but they didn't want him going down the line on a rush to the other side) it helps prevent them.
kbuckley9091 Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 It is hard to believe....thank God our pass D has been good The 1st two games were the opposite...we were good against the run, but Pats and Bucs torched us thru the air...
MRW Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Please tell me you're being sarcastic here. Please. GO BILLS!!! I think the strategy is to be so bad at run D that no one tries to pass against you, then you can point to your excellent pass D at your next job interview.
K-9 Posted October 19, 2009 Author Posted October 19, 2009 Assuming the stat is correct, do you really fail to see the correlation? Of COURSE I see the correlation. Always have. My point is, BECAUSE of that correlation, nobody should be pointing to our pass defense ranking as anything important. It's a hollow statistic. Teams that get run on a lot TYPICALLY rank up there in pass defense. Our 6 INTs today, notwithstanding. GO BILLS!!!
VJ91 Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Seriously, how is it possible to give up that many yards on the ground? I've witnessed a LOT of bad Bills teams over the years. Some with the worst possible defenses imagineable. But I don't ever recall a four game stretch like this. I mean, over a 16 game season that's 3,844 rushing yards against. I leave it to Capt. Stats to tell me what the record for rushing defense futility is but we've got to be on some sort of record setting pace here. Doesn't bode well for what lies ahead in November and December. GO BILLS!!! Two words: SCOUTING and COACHING. P-Fool coaches his system, but he doesn't have the right players to succeed with it. That's not to say his defense is talentless, because it is not. They just can't play his Tampa -2 style. Number one, you need a stud MLB and a stud strong safety - Poz looks good, but is injured every year. Whitner is a bust at strong safety. Next, you better have D-Lineman that can shoot their gaps and pressure the QB and shut down the run in the back field at least some of the time. Williams and Stroud seem to be jelling nicley together, but they are simply not good enough without better support from MLB and strong safety. Finally, you are supposed to have at least one if not two great pass rushing DE's since the OLB'ers are used more in pass coverage then blitzing like in the 3-4. Chris Kelsay and Aaron Schobel? Finally, you need CB's that can hit and play great zone defense at the same time. It looks like the Bills CB's have a ton of talent, and this kid Byrd could be one of the steals of the draft at FS. Unfortunately, none of them support the run game worth a buffalo chip. In addition, against good QB's, they tend to get burned in their zone coverages, especially on third downs. So you add all of that up, and we come back to the same conclusion. Ralph needs to blow the whole thing up again. He needs better coaches working with better college and pro scouts, that is, working together to bring the right players in for the right systems!
K-9 Posted October 19, 2009 Author Posted October 19, 2009 I am no DC but.....your D-Line still needs to have gap control, you can't have all your guys going to one area or cutback will happen. At OSU they tell the D-Line to keep in their gaps so (This is why some people thought Vernon Gholston was doging it but they didn't want him going down the line on a rush to the other side) it helps prevent them. That AND your LBs HAVE to maintain discipline in their backside pursuit. Once that's broken down forget it. As we've witnessed so many times this season. GO BILLS!!!
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