billsfan_34 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 It has been talked about that John Fox is on a short leash in Carolina. I think he is a great coach that is missing alot of key ingredients in NC. He would probably come at a modest price that fits ralphs coach budget. Thoughts???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 He and Marvin Lewis were the toast of the league a few years ago. Funny how diminishing talent harms a coach's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 It has been talked about that John Fox is on a short leash in Carolina. I think he is a great coach that is missing alot of key ingredients in NC. He would probably come at a modest price that fits ralphs coach budget. Thoughts???? Thought we should have signed him when we hired Greggo. Maybe second time around will work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 Thought we should have signed him when we hired Greggo. Maybe second time around will work out. me too...I dont even think we made a hard push for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 He and Marvin Lewis were the toast of the league a few years ago. Funny how diminishing talent harms a coach's performance. Great point. However if you gave jauron the talent set that is in...say a team like New orleans, he would screw it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 He is thorough, on his 60 minutes interview it was revealed that he selects the toilet paper for the players to use at training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 He is thorough, on his 60 minutes interview it was revealed that he selects the toilet paper for the players to use at training camp. that is thorough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 It has been talked about that John Fox is on a short leash in Carolina. I think he is a great coach that is missing alot of key ingredients in NC. He would probably come at a modest price that fits ralphs coach budget. Thoughts???? He is another version of Dick Jauron. He is going to get canned for a reason, we don't want him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmas3 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Well if he goes, thats will Cower will end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 He is another version of Dick Jauron. He is going to get canned for a reason, we don't want him here. Please elobarate how he is another version? Last I checked Fox has beat teams with winning records and overall has a winning record in Carolina..much different from jauron to say the least. But I am interested to hear your counter to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 He is another version of Dick Jauron. He is going to get canned for a reason, we don't want him here. Dude, I live in Charlotte, and it is a gross insult to put John Fox in the same league as Dick Jauron. Fox lead his team to a narrow Superbowl defeat at the hand of New England. Jauron has ZERO playoff wins in 9 years of coaching. THINK BEFORE YOU POST. FWIW, I would want our next HC to be an OFFENSIVE specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 He and Marvin Lewis were the toast of the league a few years ago. Funny how diminishing talent harms a coach's performance. George Seifert comes to mind. Talk about a guy that should have quit while he was ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Dude, I live in Charlotte, and it is a gross insult to put John Fox in the same league as Dick Jauron. Fox lead his team to a narrow Superbowl defeat at the hand of New England. Jauron has ZERO playoff wins in 9 years of coaching. THINK BEFORE YOU POST. FWIW, I would want our next HC to be an OFFENSIVE specialist. I would start with our next HC having a pulse, and then go from there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Yeah. After the offensive ineptitude displayed by both Greg Williams and Jauron- both defensive specialists- the HC should come from an offensive background. Holmgren, Gruden, and Shanahan all have the track record and offensive experience to turn the Bills around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Yeah. After the offensive ineptitude displayed by both Greg Williams and Jauron- both defensive specialists- the HC should come from an offensive background. Holmgren, Gruden, and Shanahan all have the track record and offensive experience to turn the Bills around. Gruden or Shanahan would be fine with me! Get er done Ralph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtippur Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I can see both sides of this. I think he is a great coach and motivator for a few years. After that, everything that gets said about Jauron, gets said about Fox. Listen to the radio here, read the papers, on tv, regardless of the source, evryone here says he has lost the connection with his players. I was listening the other day and it kind of surprised me how alike the conversations about the two coaches are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 Gruden or Shanahan would be fine with me! Get er done Ralph! I think between the two I would prefer Gruden more. This team needs the toughness and discipline they are so lacking. Even during the joe ferguson days we didnt play as soft as this team plays now. I am still baffled how a coach that is 22-29 is still employed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjamie12 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I am still baffled how a coach that is 22-29 is still employed. What if the thought in the organization (or around the league at the time) is that the underlying talent level of that particular team was ACTUALLY 15-36?* Would you still be baffled? Are you baffled that Bill Belichick was a colossal failure in Cleveland? What about Jimmie Johnson's years in Miami? How about Joe Gibbs' awful return? Three years ago, John Fox and Marvin Williams were geniuses. Today? What about Tom Coughlin? New Yorkers wanted to string him up by his testicles. Today? Why do you think that is? How is it that a guy is a ManGENIUS when Brett Favre's bicep isn't about to fall off but an idiot and fireable when it finally does? If John Fox is such a great coach, (and I want you to think about this) how is it even POSSIBLE that Carolina is considering firing him? *I make no claim that the Bills were actually a 15-36 team over the past three years. Simply making an observation. Edit: Eh... this post came off harder than I wanted it to. I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm genuinely interested in answers from everybody on this. Why don't people think that talent level overwhelms coaching ability? I mean, isn't the evidence there for everyone to see every year in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 A modest price? I sincerely doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 What if the thought in the organization (or around the league at the time) is that the underlying talent level of that particular team was ACTUALLY 15-36?* Would you still be baffled? Are you baffled that Bill Belichick was a colossal failure in Cleveland? What about Jimmie Johnson's years in Miami? How about Joe Gibbs' awful return? Three years ago, John Fox and Marvin Williams were geniuses. Today? What about Tom Coughlin? New Yorkers wanted to string him up by his testicles. Today? Why do you think that is? How is it that a guy is a ManGENIUS when Brett Favre's bicep isn't about to fall off but an idiot and fireable when it finally does? If John Fox is such a great coach, (and I want you to think about this) how is it even POSSIBLE that Carolina is considering firing him? *I make no claim that the Bills were actually a 15-36 team over the past three years. Simply making an observation. Edit: Eh... this post came off harder than I wanted it to. I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm genuinely interested in answers from everybody on this. Why don't people think that talent level overwhelms coaching ability? I mean, isn't the evidence there for everyone to see every year in the league? Yeah, the evidence is there a million times over. But people don't want to admit it for two main reasons: 1) Finding a scapegoat is always the easiest way to handle a problem. Not necessarily the most effective, but the easiest. 2) Because when you admit that the problem is talent, you're probably also admitting that the team is a couple of years away from something. And that's depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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