finknottle Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I think part of the problem is that when advocates talk about Health Care, they lapse into campaign mode and give a speech filled with poignent anecdotes, blistering attacks on heartlessness, and a listing all of society's ills. Let's clarify the issue. We are considering government intervention into 20% of the economy. In a single sentence, what exactly is the problem we are trying to solve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Apparently the one where government doesn't control everything - because they certainly don't seem to be addressing any of the actual issues involving health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Apparently the one where government doesn't control everything - because they certainly don't seem to be addressing any of the actual issues involving health care. Your list of things to do to fix health care was far better than anything I have seen proposed by anyone. Personally, I think if there is to be a rational discussion about the issue, we should start there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Your list of things to do to fix health care was far better than anything I have seen proposed by anyone. Personally, I think if there is to be a rational discussion about the issue, we should start there. His list of things to fix are actually the only specific ideas I've seen proposed by anyone. Plenty of morons bleating about "universal healthcare" without really having the foggiest idea of what that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 His list of things to fix are actually the only specific ideas I've seen proposed by anyone. Plenty of morons bleating about "universal healthcare" without really having the foggiest idea of what that means. I was including the government plans, of course that doesn't invalidate your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I was including the government plans, of course that doesn't invalidate your point. I was including the government too, not just this board. I have yet to see anything that clearly articulates the specifics of these 'plans' that Congress and the WH are proposing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Yes, I'd like to reset the question about Health Care. Just exactly, what does "Health Care" mean? Does it include the following in unlimited measure, and/or who gets to decide how much a person gets? wellness visits annual checkups band aids asprin, tylenol and OTC medications Q-tips lip balm podiatric visits and procedures orthopedic and prosthetic devices penile implants erectile dysfunction treatments extenze fertility clinic expenses sex change operations X-Rays MRIs Cat scans vaccinations on demand carte blanc prescription drugs on demand all surgical procedures critical care expenses unlimited ultrasound procedures medical marijuana abortion on demand preventive dental care - at least twice a year dental x-rays, crowns, fillings, etc. eye examinations lasix surgery eye glasses contact lenses cosmetic surgery botox injections boob jobs pre operative therapy post operative therapy psychiatric care psycho analysis The list could go on and on ad infinitum. So who gets to decide who gets treatment and "health care"? Will all the specialists be required to perform elective surgeries at below Medicare rates - just to satisfy the demand for "free services"? And while we're at it, why stop with humans - why don't we force the veterinarians and the animal hospitals to toe the line too? After all, this is America, we should be able to afford it and no one should suffer except the greedy capitalist pigs who hate the American people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Yes, I'd like to reset the question about Health Care. Just exactly, what does "Health Care" mean? Does it include the following in unlimited measure, and/or who gets to decide how much a person gets? wellness visits annual checkups band aids asprin, tylenol and OTC medications Q-tips lip balm podiatric visits and procedures orthopedic and prosthetic devices penile implants erectile dysfunction treatments extenze fertility clinic expenses sex change operations X-Rays MRIs Cat scans vaccinations on demand carte blanc prescription drugs on demand all surgical procedures critical care expenses unlimited ultrasound procedures medical marijuana abortion on demand preventive dental care - at least twice a year dental x-rays, crowns, fillings, etc. eye examinations lasix surgery eye glasses contact lenses cosmetic surgery botox injections boob jobs pre operative therapy post operative therapy psychiatric care psycho analysis The list could go on and on ad infinitum. So who gets to decide who gets treatment and "health care"? Will all the specialists be required to perform elective surgeries at below Medicare rates - just to satisfy the demand for "free services"? And while we're at it, why stop with humans - why don't we force the veterinarians and the animal hospitals to toe the line too? After all, this is America, we should be able to afford it and no one should suffer except the greedy capitalist pigs who hate the American people. I'd like to know where "alternative medicine" falls under the government's plans. Are my tax dollars going to cover homeopathy, magnets, and crystals now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Yes, I'd like to reset the question about Health Care. Just exactly, what does "Health Care" mean? Does it include the following in unlimited measure, and/or who gets to decide how much a person gets? wellness visits annual checkups band aids asprin, tylenol and OTC medications Q-tips lip balm podiatric visits and procedures orthopedic and prosthetic devices penile implants erectile dysfunction treatments extenze fertility clinic expenses sex change operations X-Rays MRIs Cat scans vaccinations on demand carte blanc prescription drugs on demand all surgical procedures critical care expenses unlimited ultrasound procedures medical marijuana abortion on demand preventive dental care - at least twice a year dental x-rays, crowns, fillings, etc. eye examinations lasix surgery eye glasses contact lenses cosmetic surgery botox injections boob jobs pre operative therapy post operative therapy psychiatric care psycho analysis The list could go on and on ad infinitum. So who gets to decide who gets treatment and "health care"? Will all the specialists be required to perform elective surgeries at below Medicare rates - just to satisfy the demand for "free services"? And while we're at it, why stop with humans - why don't we force the veterinarians and the animal hospitals to toe the line too? After all, this is America, we should be able to afford it and no one should suffer except the greedy capitalist pigs who hate the American people. That's the biggest problem as I see it. What I think there needs to be is a very limited policy that is available cheaply to all. Basically a major medical policy that covers everyone in case of a medical emergency. You could probably include vaccinations and maybe a physical every other year. Other than that you pay out of pocket. Something like this could be affordable for all and would make it easier to "force" people to buy coverage. For prescription coverage, you give them a copy of the list of $4 prescriptions available at Walmart. They need a pill, have their doc prescribe one off of this list. If you want more, you buy an extended policy that covers doctor visits, scripts, vision etc. I also think that all policies should have some kind of co-pays. Even "Cadillac" plans. If you make people pay something, there is an incentive to limit their health care spending. If brand name drugs cost $30, maybe they will decide to try a generic drug for $5. If you have to pay $25 to see the doc, maybe you don't go every time you feel a sneeze coming on. Next, trim all unnecessary care out of state Medicaid programs. The poor should not receive anything above basic health care. And definitely not better than the cheapest policies that we force people to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I'd like to know where "alternative medicine" falls under the government's plans. Are my tax dollars going to cover homeopathy, magnets, and crystals now? Speaking of crystals. You do know that you must soak them in a sea salt solution for seven days if anyone else touches them - else they lose their essential powers. The government will supply sea salt solutions along with the crystals. It's in the line over there - next to the cheese being handed out - which is just past where the line used to be for the $4,000 cash-for-clunkers give away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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