SteamRoller67 Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 What if that is all the defense is giving him ? hahahahahahahaha! That's funny! A view from the stands at the Ralph & the coaches tapes/NFL network/ESPN tell me Lee & T.O. are open.....frequently. Watch captain checkdown's head, his eyes in particular, and where he's looking. Very few glances to the outside receivers. The only throws going to 81 & 83 are predetermined rainbow fly patterns.
DC Tom Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Thanks, Magox. D.C. Tom caught me as well. Dunce cap fits well today. That's okay...I used "your" where I should have used "you're" this morning. Stupid just seems to be in the air today.
MRW Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Nah, if you want to see the path JP was on just look at JaMarcus Russell in Oakland. For a long time I felt like JP didn't get a fair shot here, but in his play last year he was still displaying all the same deficiencies in his game that plagued him all along. Edwards IMO is in the process of playing himself into a backup role, but Losman has some serious work to do if he's to rescue his career.
/dev/null Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 What if that is all the defense is giving him ? Then JP dances around the pocket, gets sacked, fumbles the ball, and watches the other team score 6 I will give JP props for one thing tho. He made one helluva strong batch of Kool-Aid® to still have zealots pining for his NFL resurrection
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 hahahahahahahaha!That's funny! A view from the stands at the Ralph & the coaches tapes/NFL network/ESPN tell me Lee & T.O. are open.....frequently. Watch captain checkdown's head, his eyes in particular, and where he's looking. Very few glances to the outside receivers. The only throws going to 81 & 83 are predetermined rainbow fly patterns. Watching on TV you don't get the same perspective as being in the stadium and I haven't had an opportunity to see any of the network analysis. But it was my suspicion. They both can't be doubled all the time especially when the defense brings 5 or 6 on the rush. It comes down to confidence and trust. Confidence in your ability as a QB to deliver the ball and trust in your receivers that they're going to make the play and the catch. As a QB you can't be careless but you also can't be afraid of making an occasional mistake because its going to happen. As far as what the defense is 'giving' I see the validity of this argument but at some point you've got to have the capacity to 'dictate' the play on the field. And if you've got superior weapons at your side you've got to utilize them and attack. I think Edwards has the smarts and the physical capacity to do this. What's holding him back is puzzling. Is he taking on the persona of his head coach as some suggest? I don't know. I suspect if you asked the great QB's if they worry about what the defense is going to 'give them' their answer would be something between laughter and a blank stare. On things is for sure. Bills need to win this Sunday and get to .500.
DaBills51 Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I wouldn't bet on that. Trent wasn't drafted in the first round, and is not carrying around a first rounders salary. From a financial standpoint, the FO has no incentive to "force" Trent to become the starter. Not saying Trent will be waived, but I wouldn't be surprised if the new coaching staff brings somebody in to compete with Trent for the starter's spot. I agree that a new coaching staff would bring in a veteran to compete, however our FO will remain the same, and I believe we all know how our FO has handled the QB position over the past couple of years. We will probably see a situation similar to when Kelly Holcomb was brought in to compete with Losman. Trent may lose his job around midseason next year, but I see him as the starter for the season opener. Hopefully by the end of the year this conversation will be pointless and we will have other positions to worry about improving.
Captain Hindsight Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Huh? Oh, I got it. You quote JP's best SINGLE season vs. ALL of TE's games. Mind if I do a little bit of the same: JP = 42 games, 33 TDs = 1.27 .786 TDs per game. TE = 27 games, 22 TDs = 1.22 .810 TDs per game. Looks like a statistical dead heat when it comes to TD passes per game played. I love stats. You had me at, (TE) "he needs to step us his game." Game, set, match. That's all that really matters. Here's hoping he does. GO BILLS!!! P.S. - Thanks DC Tom and Magox for correcting my math. If you wanna go by best season JP 19 TDs Trent 11 TDs
K-9 Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 If you wanna go by best season JP 19 TDs Trent 11 TDs Nah, I'll wait until the end of this season before I do that. TE still doesn't have near the game experience Losman had. Plus JP's best season was his 3rd season and it really didn't take off until the second half of that year. So, this being TE's 3rd season and only three games in to boot, I've gotta be fair and wait to make the best season comparison. But keeping in the spirit of making stats say ridiculous things: JP 2nd year = 8 TDs TE 2nd year = 11 TDs Keep 'em coming. GO BILLS!!!
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I wonder if there are still Lions fans who still pine for Joey Harrington. Losman fans, please stop. It's getting embarassing. Edwards may not be teh answer but if you have half a brain, you know without a doubt John Paul isn't for sure. Please stop this madness.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 If you wanna go by best season JP 19 TDs Trent 11 TDs One problem Einstein: those 19 tds were from Losman's 3rd season. Trent just started his 3rd. Nice attempt though.
Arkady Renko Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 One problem Einstein: those 19 tds were from Losman's 3rd season. Trent just started his 3rd. Nice attempt though. I think passing TDs are overrated. But to be fair, I doubt Edwards will throw 19 TDs this year.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Nah, I'll wait until the end of this season before I do that. TE still doesn't have near the game experience Losman had. Plus JP's best season was his 3rd season and it really didn't take off until the second half of that year. So, this being TE's 3rd season and only three games in to boot, I've gotta be fair and wait to make the best season comparison. But keeping in the spirit of making stats say ridiculous things: JP 2nd year = 8 TDs TE 2nd year = 11 TDs Keep 'em coming. GO BILLS!!! JP's 2nd year was his 1st year with ANY playing time at all. Keep 'em coming.
BuffaloBill Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 The fact that Losman is out of the NFL should speak volumes about his skills.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 One problem Einstein: those 19 tds were from Losman's 3rd season. Trent just started his 3rd. Nice attempt though. Trent had significant playing time his Rookie year. JP had his leg broken by a scumbag his Rookie year in PRESEASON. Nice attempt though.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 I think passing TDs are overrated. But to be fair, I doubt Edwards will throw 19 TDs this year. Passing TD's OVERRATED? That is the CRAZIEST thing I have ever heard. 99% of the other QB stats are pointless & overrated if you will. Passing TD's is the one stat that you can use to see how GOOD a QB is. You can't use it to compare QB's from different eras, but if you compare QB's that were contemporaries the QB with the most TD's is most likely the better QB.
FreakPop Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Nah, I'll wait until the end of this season before I do that. TE still doesn't have near the game experience Losman had. Plus JP's best season was his 3rd season and it really didn't take off until the second half of that year. So, this being TE's 3rd season and only three games in to boot, I've gotta be fair and wait to make the best season comparison. But keeping in the spirit of making stats say ridiculous things: JP 2nd year = 8 TDs TE 2nd year = 11 TDs Keep 'em coming. GO BILLS!!! JP 2nd year = 8 TDs in 8 starts TE 2nd year = 11 TDs in 14 starts Hmmmm......who had the better TD per games ratio? Also up until their second season JP had only attempted 5 passes where as Trent had already started 9 games and attempted 269 passes. Again I say Trent has yet to prove he is better than JP was. If he has proven that, how? I'd like to hear it.
Arkady Renko Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Passing TD's OVERRATED? That is the CRAZIEST thing I have ever heard. 99% of the other QB stats are pointless & overrated if you will. Passing TD's is the one stat that you can use to see how GOOD a QB is. You can't use it to compare QB's from different eras, but if you compare QB's that were contemporaries the QB with the most TD's is most likely the better QB. This isn't fantasy football. If good QB play gets you to the redzone and a RB runs the ball in that's just as good as if the QB threw the pass. The points count the same. However the QB helps the team score is what matters.
Bill from NYC Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 JP 2nd year = 8 TDs in 8 starts TE 2nd year = 11 TDs in 14 starts Hmmmm......who had the better TD per games ratio? Also up until their second season JP had only attempted 5 passes where as Trent had already started 9 games and attempted 269 passes. Again I say Trent has yet to prove he is better than JP was. If he has proven that, how? I'd like to hear it. Losman LOST football games. He didn't WIN football games. He sucks; he is out of the NFL because he sucks. Please get over it.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 I wonder if there are still Lions fans who still pine for Joey Harrington. Losman fans, please stop. It's getting embarassing. Edwards may not be teh answer but if you have half a brain, you know without a doubt John Paul isn't for sure. Please stop this madness. I think the point people are trying to make is as bad as you think JP is, SO FAR Trent has been every bit as bad, maybe even worse.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Losman LOST football games. He didn't WIN football games. He sucks; he is out of the NFL because he sucks. Please get over it. JP LOST Football games against the BETTER teams in the league & so has Trent.
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