BillsZubaz Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 How about some facts or a link. I have posted facts before in several other threads... Feel free to do some research for yourself if you don't believe me.
Thurman#1 Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 i know every NFL team must deal with injuries but it is week 4 & we could be missing up to 8 opening day starters, i know that r coaching is terrible, but could all those soft practices wand non hitting training camps just leaving our players to be more prone to getting hurt. It's not the "soft" practices. There has never been any evidence that teams who operate like this get injured more. Just the opposite, in fact. However, the strength and conditioning coach can have a huge effect on the frequency of injuries. With two out of the last three years having far more that the average amount of injuries, it's time to take a look at this as a possible reason.
Thurman#1 Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 The Giants had like 9 starters out last week. They must run a soft camp and have a crappy training staff. Or this is pro football and players get hurt. People get hurt in the construction trade also. So should we stop there and say "Well, it's construction and guys get hurt?" Or should we go ahead and look closer and notice that some job sites are more dangerous than others, which is just a fact, and then suggest that those sites make some changes. Yeah, players get hurt. But some teams, and particularly some strength and conditioning routines, consistently produce higher and lower than average frequency of injury. There is no doubt about this. Over the course of one year, a lot of injuries might just be bad luck. But over the course of three or more years, you can build a statistical picture of whether your team is injured more or less than average. Which is why it's time to notice that we seem to be injured a lot more than average. Remember 2007 and the way that virtually the whole defense was decimated? We seem to be doing something wrong. We need Rusty Jones back. Or somebody as much like him as possible.
Thurman#1 Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 Conditioning, or lack thereof, is usually evidenced by muscle injuries. Broken bones and blown knees not so much. That's Poz, Leodis, Donte, Butler and Schouman off the top of my head. It's a violent, unforgiving way to make a living. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. You can strengthen tendons and ligaments with training regimens, not to mention cartilage and bones. You can also build the supporting muscles in a way that makes them much more able to protect the joints. Yes, it's violent. But you absolutely CAN lower the incidence of broken bones, blown joints and so on. Very good point, I was thinking the exact same thing, no amount of strenght and conditioning isgoing to prevent a broken bone. But it does seem that we are experiencing more injuries in general. Again, not true.
GrudginglyOptimistic Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 I have posted facts before in several other threads... Feel free to do some research for yourself if you don't believe me. Not so fast BZ. If someone makes a stark claim as you did, saying the Bills were at the top of the league for injuries, it is this statistical declaration which draws a legitimate call for links to some of the background and substantiation for this claim. In fact, such a stark claim would seem to be one which while not proven (the issue of injuries in the NFL is in essence a complex enough issue that it cannot be proved or disproved with one or a handful of studies) there could has least be some statistical or unbiased sourcing indication that this is more than just a fact-free opinion (which we all are entitled to on the internet and which are easily rejected by right as well. Without even the hint of any links to your stark statement, it would seem to be one easily considered to be the usual internet blather. A call for at least some hints as to support for your claim falls no where near the level of a demonstration of research which your claims demand. IMHO
BillsZubaz Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 Not so fast BZ. If someone makes a stark claim as you did, saying the Bills were at the top of the league for injuries, it is this statistical declaration which draws a legitimate call for links to some of the background and substantiation for this claim. In fact, such a stark claim would seem to be one which while not proven (the issue of injuries in the NFL is in essence a complex enough issue that it cannot be proved or disproved with one or a handful of studies) there could has least be some statistical or unbiased sourcing indication that this is more than just a fact-free opinion (which we all are entitled to on the internet and which are easily rejected by right as well. Without even the hint of any links to your stark statement, it would seem to be one easily considered to be the usual internet blather. A call for at least some hints as to support for your claim falls no where near the level of a demonstration of research which your claims demand. IMHO Have you ever heard the phrase: "Less is more?" -May pertain to your writing style. IMHO. (Just being a smart ass). Here are some stats to back up what I have said. As I stated in my initial response...this could have been found by doing a simple search on member posts, as I have posted it previously. 2007: 17 players on IR. Including 10 starters....this is an extraordinary amount. ...http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/buf/injuries;_ylt=AgV5gOF6_mgUfpFg8QeYubt.2bYF (2007) -----LED THE LEAGUE------- 2008: While last year was better in terms of players placed on IR. We still had 10 by the end of the year and 9 when this article was written. In additions, impact players such as Jabari Greer, Donte Whitner, Terrance McGee and Trent Edwards all missed significant time (several weeks.) http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/buf/inju...Yubt.2bYF" I don't have any (and would love some) stats on the 2006 season. This was the season we started out with the tragic Kevin Everett injury, along with losing several key starters in the first couple weeks.... **EDIT*** I just realized that the links may no longer be functional. SO I guess people will have to take me at my word or not believe me. I don't really care which...I already know the facts...
BillsZubaz Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 Someone posted this link in a similar thread... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/injuries/pup Top part of the league once again... Sorry, I don't see this being coincidence. Feel free to disagree..
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