Gene Frenkle Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 You're !@#$ing kidding me. That is one scary ass sentence. We should treat raw sewage before dumping it back into the water table. We should irradiate perishables before selling them to the public. Not the best analogies, but there aren't very many comparable ones to vaccines. Tell me, should a state healthcare worker be forced to wash his hands before interacting with a patient? Fired for not showering on a regular basis? Sent home if they are sick? I understand the sentiment here, but it's misplaced in this particular case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 You're !@#$ing kidding me. That is one scary ass sentence. Oh, so you're a vaccine conspiracy theorist! Are you against putting tracking devices in the flu shots or purposely giving people autism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 We should treat raw sewage before dumping it back into the water table. We should irradiate perishables before selling them to the public. Not the best analogies, but there aren't very many comparable ones to vaccines. Tell me, should a state healthcare worker be forced to wash his hands before interacting with a patient? Fired for not showering on a regular basis? Sent home if they are sick? I understand the sentiment here, but it's misplaced in this particular case. You ever heard of an old saying, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water? that is what you are doing with our freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 We should treat raw sewage before dumping it back into the water table. We should irradiate perishables before selling them to the public. Not the best analogies, but there aren't very many comparable ones to vaccines. Tell me, should a state healthcare worker be forced to wash his hands before interacting with a patient? Fired for not showering on a regular basis? Sent home if they are sick? I understand the sentiment here, but it's misplaced in this particular case. Washing their hands is not forcing a foreign substance into their body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Washing their hands is not forcing a foreign substance into their body. Scary scary! What if some antibacterial soap seeps into a cut??? About the same thing that will happen when you inject someone with a DEAD virus. I know the others are hopeless, but surely you're better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 You ever heard of an old saying, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water? that is what you are doing with our freedom. Kind of like the Patriot Act, except that was potentially harmful. Ever hear of biting off your nose to spite your face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Scary scary! What if some antibacterial soap seeps into a cut??? About the same thing that will happen when you inject someone with a DEAD virus. I know the others are hopeless, but surely you're better than this. Hopeless? Because I value my freedom and you don't makes me hopeless? Get your head out of Obamas ass and get some fresh air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Kind of like the Patriot Act, except that was potentially harmful. Ever hear of biting off your nose to spite your face? What the !@#$ are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Hopeless? Because I value my freedom and you don't makes me hopeless? Get your head out of Obamas ass and get some fresh air! No, because you're a retard. Ba-da-bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 No, because you're a retard. Ba-da-bump. Your still a !@#$ing moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Scary scary! What if some antibacterial soap seeps into a cut??? About the same thing that will happen when you inject someone with a DEAD virus. I know the others are hopeless, but surely you're better than this. How about forcing kitchen workers to get the shot, bus drivers, toll booth collectors, cashiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 How about forcing kitchen workers to get the shot, bus drivers, toll booth collectors, cashiers? Don't give him any ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 That they care about what the science says? That they're doing the right thing for the population based on the science? ... Interesting. No problems at all with forcing people (who may end up having a reaction to the required injection) to inject something into their bodies. All in the name of science. Back about 60 or so years ago, didn't the science say forced sterilizations of retards was the right thing for the population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Tell me, should a state healthcare worker be forced to wash his hands before interacting with a patient? Actually, they're not. It's just "strongly suggested" in most places. It's why antibiotic-resistance is such a problem in hospitals. There's virtually no recourse to removing the small minority of health care workers who are carriers from providing health care. I've read a few pretty well-documented cases of such (e.g. the arthroscopic surgeon who's a MRSA carrier as demonstrated by cultures, and infects half the people he operates on, and can't be removed from practice.) "Get vaccinated or get fired" is incredibly draconian by established infection control standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Back about 60 or so years ago, didn't the science say forced sterilizations of retards was the right thing for the population? Have you read any of John Dellaputz's posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 How about forcing kitchen workers to get the shot, bus drivers, toll booth collectors, cashiers? Their jobs don't revolve around having direct contact with people who are coming to them because they are sick and are likely predisposed to contracting the flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Interesting. No problems at all with forcing people (who may end up having a reaction to the required injection) to inject something into their bodies. All in the name of science. Back about 60 or so years ago, didn't the science say forced sterilizations of retards was the right thing for the population? Tell that to the 10 year old cancer patient who has no immune system to speak of. He can't get the vaccine because of his condition. His right to live is less than imposing a minor inconvenience on people who are strong and healthy and TREATING HIM in a state hospital. Not if it were your kid I'm sure. How about the old man who's immune system has degraded with age. The vaccine's not much good to him either and he has to rely on the rest of the "herd". He can die needlessly for your contrived principles. Your kid can't go to school without first being vaccinated. College students face the same requirement. Military personnel are required to be vaccinated. But not healthcare workers? What makes them so special? Socialism! Any healthcare worker who (hopefully by definition) knows the science and consequences and refuses to get the flu vaccine SHOULD be fired. I doubt it's even an issue because anyone who knows what the !@#$ they're talking about and has some minor form of a social conscious will get the vaccine anyway. As I said, anyone who doesn't should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Actually, they're not. It's just "strongly suggested" in most places. It's why antibiotic-resistance is such a problem in hospitals. There's virtually no recourse to removing the small minority of health care workers who are carriers from providing health care. I've read a few pretty well-documented cases of such (e.g. the arthroscopic surgeon who's a MRSA carrier as demonstrated by cultures, and infects half the people he operates on, and can't be removed from practice.) "Get vaccinated or get fired" is incredibly draconian by established infection control standards. And this is how we should continue to operate? Sounds pretty draconian the way it is. As above, students of all ages and military personnel are two easy cases with vaccination requirements I can think of. There's no debate on the science. It's clearly a matter of public health. And with that said, I know you disagree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 As I said, anyone who doesn't should be fired. Better yet, let's arrest them. Put them in prison with the people who won't get health insurance. Sounds like a plan to you, doesn't it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Their jobs don't revolve around having direct contact with people who are coming to them because they are sick and are likely predisposed to contracting the flu. Older and younger people, people with HIV area predisposed to contracting the flu. They don't eat at restaurants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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