SwampD Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Here is my meaningless opinion. If you need seven yards for a first down,...throw it at least eight yards. Andre Reed has not been on this team for a decade.
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 We are 1-2 and our D is one of the worse ranked defenses in the league, if it helps to say the defense played well for you guys then keep telling yourselves as much, personally I get zero comfort in it. Okay, well... - The Eagles own the league's #5 ranked defense and gave up 48 points to New Orleans in week 2. - New England has the league's #6 ranked defense, and should be 1-2 with a loss to Buffalo - Pittsburgh has the league's #7 ranked defense and is 1-2 with a loss to Cincinnati - New Orleans has the league's #10 ranked defense despite giving up 27 points to Detroit And if that doesn't tell you how little those rankings mean, how about this? Those rankings are based on yards/game, not points. This may make the picture a little bit clearer: Philadelphia and their #5 ranked defense are giving up the IDENTICAL number of points per game (24) as Buffalo, yet according to the #s you're citing, their defense is #5 overall and Buffalo's is #27. Add to that the fact that in each game Buffalo has played, they've given up at least 1 score resulting from a turnover that gave the opposition the ball inside the red zone (those scores accounted for a total of 17 points over 3 games). Oh yeah, and the separation between Buffalo's defense, and a top-13 defense like New Orleans, is--get this--a whopping 5.3 points per game. You may find it coincidental that 17/3 is 5.67. So it would seem to me that if Buffalo doesn't turn the ball over in their own territory they'd have a defense that ranked in the top 1/3 of the league in points per game. Does that change anything for you?
Dan Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 The game is a full 60 minutes, what do you want me to say they played good for 50 minutes, OK, the defense played good for 50 minutes, then like crap for 10. The Saints defense outplayed our defense, the Saints QB outplayed our QB, and the Saints RB's outplayed our RB's. The saints coaching staff outsmarted the Bills coaching staff. Sorry, I'm not going to say the defense played well in a game when they gave up 222 yards and 3 TD's on the ground. There's always gotta be someone that just likes to argue. I suppose that's you today. Because there can be no logical rationale for you to even begin to sidetrack a thread of decent comments with inane ramblings about how poor the defense played yesterday. Do you not recognize that we held the highest scoring Offense in 40 years to a paltry 10 points through more than 3 quarters. How is that anything but good? If our offense knew what a hot read was, knew how to run crossing routes, remembered what draw and screen plays were, or just converted 30% of their 3rd downs... maybe they could have contributed a little. But, our offense was absolutely putrid yesterday. They scored zero points, at home. Zero. That means they none. In other words, if points were food they were in Ethiopia. It doesn't matter how your defense plays, when your offense stays in the locker room, you're not going to win. And to even attempt to bring up the defense in the discussion is obtuse.
Guest dog14787 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 There's always gotta be someone that just likes to argue. I suppose that's you today. Because there can be no logical rationale for you to even begin to sidetrack a thread of decent comments with inane ramblings about how poor the defense played yesterday. Do you not recognize that we held the highest scoring Offense in 40 years to a paltry 10 points through more than 3 quarters. How is that anything but good? If our offense knew what a hot read was, knew how to run crossing routes, remembered what draw and screen plays were, or just converted 30% of their 3rd downs... maybe they could have contributed a little. But, our offense was absolutely putrid yesterday. They scored zero points, at home. Zero. That means they none. In other words, if points were food they were in Ethiopia. It doesn't matter how your defense plays, when your offense stays in the locker room, you're not going to win. And to even attempt to bring up the defense in the discussion is obtuse. I call it like I see it buddy, so I didn't agree with 100 % of someones comments, so what, I agreed with most of what he posted, but that's beside the point. If I don't agree with something I don't care who you are, I will tell you. I'm stating fact, you don't give up 222 yards and 3 TDs on the ground and call it good defensive play. In case you didn't notice the wind disrupted both QB's and it came down to the running game and we couldn't stop it period, good grief, sugar coat the loss with our 27th ranked defense if you want.
Ramius Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 I'm stating fact, you don't give up 222 yards and 3 TDs on the ground and call it good defensive play. In case you didn't notice the wind disrupted both QB's and it came down to the running game and we couldn't stop it period, good grief, sugar coat the loss with our 27th ranked defense if you want. I'm sorry that the nuances of a professional football game are too much for your little mind to handle. Maybe stick to cartoons next sunday? They seem to be more on your level of intelligence.
Dan Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 I call it like I see it buddy, so I didn't agree with 100 % of someones comments, so what, I agreed with most of what he said, but that's beside the point. If I don't agree with something I don't care who you are, I will tell you. I'm stating fact, you don't give up 222 yards and 3 TDs on the ground and call it good defensive play. In case you didn't notice the wind disrupted both QB's and it came down to the running game and we couldn't stop it period, good grief, sugar coat the loss with our 27th ranked defense if you want. By harping on this fact, you're proving 1 of 2 things: Either you work as an ESPN analyst or you follow football because of your fantasy football teams. Either way, you obviously did not watch the game or did not understand what was going on.
Guest dog14787 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 I'm sorry that the nuances of a professional football game are too much for your little mind to handle. Maybe stick to cartoons next sunday? They seem to be more on your level of intelligence. Ramius, why would I do that, I have all the cartoon characters like you I need right here on this board. I have a right to my own opinion and I posted as much, I knew going into this game we had to stop the run to win and we didn't and the Bills lost. So get real or find an argument that even makes sense.
Guest dog14787 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 By harping on this fact, you're proving 1 of 2 things: Either you work as an ESPN analyst or you follow football because of your fantasy football teams. Either way, you obviously did not watch the game or did not understand what was going on. Hello, we lost the game 27- 7 and they ran the ball down our throat.
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 I call it like I see it buddy, so I didn't agree with 100 % of someones comments, so what, I agreed with most of what he posted, but that's beside the point. If I don't agree with something I don't care who you are, I will tell you. I'm stating fact, you don't give up 222 yards and 3 TDs on the ground and call it good defensive play. In case you didn't notice the wind disrupted both QB's and it came down to the running game and we couldn't stop it period, good grief, sugar coat the loss with our 27th ranked defense if you want. No, dog, you are stating an opinion. If you are looking for facts regarding Buffalo's 27th ranked defense, check out post #22, it contains plenty of relevant facts for you to harp on.
bizell Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Hello, we lost the game 27- 7 and they ran the ball down our throat. Okay, Dog, let's just say that we totally stoned their running. Would we have won the game with our offense producing 0 points? The fact of the matter is our "27th ranked defense" kept us in the game until the end.
Dan Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Hello, we lost the game 27- 7 and they ran the ball down our throat. Sure. Just for fun, because hey.. you may have a point.. I checked the game recap on nfl.com. In the first half, the Saints had 63 yards rushing. In the 3rd quarter and through their first drive in the 4th quarter, they had 41 yards rushing. So that's 104 yards rushing. I wouldn't call that "running the ball down our throats". The game was still 10-7, with the Bills' offense doing absolutely nothing. Of course, had you watched the game, you'd know that up until this point in the game our defense did everything possible to stop the highest scoring offense in over 40 years, giving our offense ample opportunity to take the lead. It wasn't until the Saints took the ball at the 11 minute mark of the 4th quarter that they had one good run (P. Thomas had a 34 yard TD). That gave them a 10 point lead 17-7. Our offense still didn't do anything. We punted on 4th down with 7:30 left in the game. It was at that point that the team obviously gave up, because in the final seven minutes the Saints then ran it down our throats and added just about 85 yards to their run total. Imagine... had the offense did anything. I mean anything, and scored once. We could have been up 14-10 in the second half. With just a little effort it could have been 17-10. Then the Saints are doing a lot less running in the final minutes. But, again, for someone that doesn't actually watch the games, I guess its pointless to bring out these facts. So, never mind all this. Go ahead and continue to discredit the defense for their outstanding play.
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Sure. Just for fun, because hey.. you may have a point.. I checked the game recap on nfl.com. In the first half, the Saints had 63 yards rushing. In the 3rd quarter and through their first drive in the 4th quarter, they had 41 yards rushing. So that's 104 yards rushing. I wouldn't call that "running the ball down our throats". The game was still 10-7, with the Bills' offense doing absolutely nothing. Of course, had you watched the game, you'd know that up until this point in the game our defense did everything possible to stop the highest scoring offense in over 40 years, giving our offense ample opportunity to take the lead. It wasn't until the Saints took the ball at the 11 minute mark of the 4th quarter that they had one good run (P. Thomas had a 34 yard TD). That gave them a 10 point lead 17-7. Our offense still didn't do anything. We punted on 4th down with 7:30 left in the game. It was at that point that the team obviously gave up, because in the final seven minutes the Saints then ran it down our throats and added just about 85 yards to their run total. Imagine... had the offense did anything. I mean anything, and scored once. We could have been up 14-10 in the second half. With just a little effort it could have been 17-10. Then the Saints are doing a lot less running in the final minutes. But, again, for someone that doesn't actually watch the games, I guess its pointless to bring out these facts. So, never mind all this. Go ahead and continue to discredit the defense for their outstanding play. Don't bother Dan, he doesn't respond to posts that point out the facts regarding how the game actually unfolded. Only the defensive yardage rankings matter in this debate.
Guest dog14787 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 No, dog, you are stating an opinion. If you are looking for facts regarding Buffalo's 27th ranked defense, check out post #22, it contains plenty of relevant facts for you to harp on. So let me get this straight, because other defenses did bad against the Saints the Bills defense deserves some credit for playing better than they did, gotcha. We are giving up over 390 yards a game, does that even register with some of you.
Guest dog14787 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Don't bother Dan, he doesn't respond to posts that point out the facts regarding how the game actually unfolded. Only the defensive yardage rankings matter in this debate. and I'll say it again, 60 minutes in a ball game.
Tommy Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 I agree with thebandit27 on the defensive rankings. We're not the 5th worst defense in the league. Our defense did do well yesterday overall. If someone told you before the game we'd only be down 3 in the 4th quarter to the Saints, I think most people on this board would take it. I think a lot of those rushing yards in the last quarter can be contributed to being tired, and also the defense not being motivated anymore because of the lack of offense or willingness to go for it on a 4th and 1. It's got to be tough on the mindset of the defense when you've played so well for 3+ quarters against the #1 offense in the league, only to watch your own team's offense put on a horrible display, and have your coach "play it safe."
Dan Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Don't bother Dan, he doesn't respond to posts that point out the facts regarding how the game actually unfolded. Only the defensive yardage rankings matter in this debate. Agreed. Just another prime example of why I hate fantasy football. No one watches games any more. They just check stat sheets and highlight reels.
Guest dog14787 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 I agree with thebandit27 on the defensive rankings. We're not the 5th worst defense in the league. Our defense did do well yesterday overall. If someone told you before the game we'd only be down 3 in the 4th quarter to the Saints, I think most people on this board would take it. I think a lot of those rushing yards in the last quarter can be contributed to being tired, and also the defense not being motivated anymore because of the lack of offense or willingness to go for it on a 4th and 1. It's got to be tough on the mindset of the defense when you've played so well for 3+ quarters against the #1 offense in the league, only to watch your own team's offense put on a horrible display, and have your coach "play it safe." Oh, but our opponents defense faced about the same challenge, yet the Saints didn't implode so I suppose you could say our defense played well, but the Saint defense played really well.
Guest dog14787 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Agreed. Just another prime example of why I hate fantasy football. No one watches games any more. They just check stat sheets and highlight reels. Myself personally, I have zero to do with Fantasy football.
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 So let me get this straight, because other defenses did bad against the Saints the Bills defense deserves some credit for playing better than they did, gotcha. We are giving up over 390 yards a game, does that even register with some of you. You are awesome, dog. Did you even read what I wrote, or did you just stop one line in and respond? I know you like to convolute things so that they support your argument, but believe it or not, football games are won and lost based on points, not yards. You point to this #27 ranked defensive statistic as though it means something, when it really doesn't. According to those rankings, the #5 defense in the league is giving up more points per game than 22 other defenses in the NFL. If that's the case, how can your beloved rankings mean anything substantive? Or does that not even register with you? It's very simple: Buffalo held the best offense in the game (ranked so based on points AND your beloved yards) to 10 points (3 of which came off a turnover that gave NO the ball in the red zone) for 3+ quarters, and when their offense failed to get another first down for the rest of the game, the defense got tired and gave up rushing yards. You can point to the numbers all you want, but try watching the game and comprehending the fact that the numbers don't come close to telling the whole story. The bottom line with your argument is that you are blaming a loss in which the Bills' offense scored 0 points on a defense that did an admirable job against a juggernaut offense. And to boot, your justifying it by making reference to a defensive ranking that claims that the #5 overall defense in football can give up more points per game than 22 other defenses. Do you honestly believe that your argument holds water?
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Oh, but our opponents defense faced about the same challenge, yet the Saints didn't implode so I suppose you could say our defense played well, but the Saint defense played really well. And how, exactly, would that be incorrect?
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