PDaDdy Posted September 27, 2009 Posted September 27, 2009 I tell you what's even more contradicting, since you believe that he doesn't have a strong arm, and it's obvious that you don't believe how he is "smart, makes quick decisions and get the ball out quickly." as evidenced by your "WEEELLLLLLLL" comment, then how can he not be either so far this season with a 104 qb rating 4 TD's, 1 INT and played well enough for us to win both games? What I don't believe is that both things can be true. I think Trent could be a smart quick decision maker. Posssibly more is made of it than is really the case but he's pretty decent at it. I should have been more specific to take the wind out of post nit pickers like you. I am specifically referring to Trent's deep ball. Trent is off to a great start and his QB rating reflects that. What is of greater importance is how many TDs he has being 4 and INTs only 1 as you point out. and when you say: Lets review the logic here. 1) "Trent is an accurate passer" CHECK 2) "Arm strength is not a problem" CHECK 3) Under throws or throws late to WR on deep routes ...CHECK!!!!!!! Please explain a scenario where these 3 things can be true? You can't both be accurate, have adequate arm strength AND frequently under throw WRs on deep routes! AND YES, timing is part of accuracy. If you're trying to hit a moving target (a WR) and you throw the ball late or early..YOU HAVE MISSED YOUR MARK AND BY DEFINITION WERE NOT ACCURATE!!!! I'll tell you how you blithering idiot, those throws that you are referring to were all catchable. After watching that throw to Lee Evans (maybe 50 times), the one he actually caught, it was thrown perfectly, to where he was the only player that could of caught that pass. It couldn't of been much better than that. Listen up moron! If it took you 50 times to see the play and still managed to not see it properly I wouldn't be bragging about it. We have different definitions of what a good accurate pass is. "Catchable" is one thing, a good pass hitting a WR in stride is far superior. Take a look at those passes again. Now imagine them thrown 2 or 3 yards deeper. See it now? WR catches ball uncontested in stride. THAT IS ACCURACY!!!! The throw that TO dropped, which was the furthest thrown ball was perfect, the other was damn near close. The only pass that was slightly underthrown was the other pass to Lee Evans, in which the defender made a good play and it would of been nice for Lee Evans to have actually won that ball. The real good ones do, and they also tend to make good QB's look great. The TO drop was DEFINITELY his best ball and was an accurate perfect pass. That one is on TO 100%., 3.5 out of 4 deep passes qualify as accurate. How many times have we seen QB's just throw it up so that there WR's can make a play on it? How many times have we seen Moss win a 50/50 ball or Fitzgerald or Plaxico? Alot, that's how many! so yes, and as you put it.... YOU HAVE MISSED YOUR MARK AND BY DEFINITION WAS ACCURATE!!!! Again your math is wrong because of your assumptions. He threw 3, 3.5 out 4 catchable balls as you put it. HOWEVER he threw 3 out of 4 bad inaccurate balls. Get the difference? Truly because this is perhaps at the center of our disagreement. Bad inaccurate balls can be catchable. IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM GOOD PASSES!! If you are relying on your WR to bail you out on bad balls you aren't taking ownership and responsibility for delivering the best ball you can. 50/50 balls to your WRs are when you are making something out of nothing by throwing it up there. Throwing short when a WR could be catching it uncontested and streaking to the end zone untouched is NOT the same thing. Your asking your WR to make up for your bad ball. Again talking about Trent's deep ball. His short and intermediate game seems to be working really well so far.
PDaDdy Posted September 27, 2009 Posted September 27, 2009 I'd have to say that Bledsoe had the best supporting cast since Kelly, on both sides of the ball. To be sure that is the one year that is in the running for a QB having the best supporting cast. But I think it is this year because TO Evans, is better than Moulds Price, our RB tandem is better than Travis Henry and I think we have TEs that are going to be more productive than what Drew had. Definitely close though.
H2o Posted September 27, 2009 Posted September 27, 2009 To be sure that is the one year that is in the running for a QB having the best supporting cast. But I think it is this year because TO Evans, is better than Moulds Price, our RB tandem is better than Travis Henry and I think we have TEs that are going to be more productive than what Drew had. Definitely close though. I understand your point, but you're forgetting the rest of the players on the Bledsoe team in '04. Bledsoe at QB, McGahee and Henry at RB, Moulds and Evans at WR, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Pat Williams, Sam Adams, Aaron Schobel, Terrence McGee, Nate Clements, Lawyer Milloy, and not to mention how SOLID that OL was compared to this one, minus Mike Williams of course. Even Campbell had some timely receptions playing the TE position with 5 TD's that year in only 17 catches. There is no way that you can sanely say that this team is better than the one Bledsoe had around him in '04. No way.
PDaDdy Posted September 27, 2009 Posted September 27, 2009 I understand your point, but you're forgetting the rest of the players on the Bledsoe team in '04. Bledsoe at QB, McGahee and Henry at RB, Moulds and Evans at WR, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Pat Williams, Sam Adams, Aaron Schobel, Terrence McGee, Nate Clements, Lawyer Milloy, and not to mention how SOLID that OL was compared to this one, minus Mike Williams of course. Even Campbell had some timely receptions playing the TE position with 5 TD's that year in only 17 catches. There is no way that you can sanely say that this team is better than the one Bledsoe had around him in '04. No way. Perhaps you're right. There were definitely more bigger names and veteran free agents. I don't know if McGahee actually played that year and I thought that it was prices last year not Lee Evans rookie year. Don't feel like going to look it up though. I think we can agree though that team is probably the 1st OR 2nd most talented team we have had since the Kelly era. Still no more room for excuses with Trent in my mind. PS. That must also mean that someone thinks that Donahoe was our best GM since the early 90's because if I'm not mistaken he put that team together for the most part.
H2o Posted September 27, 2009 Posted September 27, 2009 Perhaps you're right. There were definitely more bigger names and veteran free agents. I don't know if McGahee actually played that year and I thought that it was prices last year not Lee Evans rookie year. Don't feel like going to look it up though. I think we can agree though that team is probably the 1st OR 2nd most talented team we have had since the Kelly era. Still no more room for excuses with Trent in my mind. PS. That must also mean that someone thinks that Donahoe was our best GM since the early 90's because if I'm not mistaken he put that team together for the most part. McGahee had 1,100+ that year and 13 TD's. For the record though, I hated the drafts Donahoe had, but he did do fairly well in the FA market.
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