loyal2dagame Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 running backs take a pounding you need two. nobody is debating that we dont need lynch. i think the debate is more about who should be the primary back. lynch had 250 attempts last year to jackson's 130. my take has been that those numbers need to be reversed this year.
Heels20X6 Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 nobody is debating that we dont need lynch. i think the debate is more about who should be the primary back. lynch had 250 attempts last year to jackson's 130. my take has been that those numbers need to be reversed this year. I think with the running game as effective as its been (and remember last year, where Stupid Schonert would outright abandon the run in games), we should only hope the Bills up the run attempts to about 500 this year. As for Lynch, he's going to need two or three games just to get his game legs back. Til then the coaching staff should give Freddie the ball on a 2:1 ratio and over the three games shift it to where Freddie is getting the ball 60% of the carries. If by game 10, Freddie's showing some wear and tear, shift it towards Marshawn. Let the play of the each back dictate who gets more carries.
nucci Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Omon would be a help. Lynch would be a FORCE. But again, I say, if you can get a real defensive passrusher for him, trade him and deal with Omon as your backup. It wouldn't kill us, after all, and the defense would finally look consistently better. Right, because teams trade pass rushers all the time. If a team needs a RB they will just draft one next year. Lynch is one screw up from a long suspension. Not easy to trade.
Red Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 You DONT take Jackson out. As AVP alluded to in the News...they will be getting both on the field at some capacity in the future. I could care less about this 'controversy' that some seem to want to start on this board. Most NFL teams use the 'running-back-by committee' approach to much success. Indeed, after reading Brian Billick's book, More Than a Game, it makes increasingly sane sense to use that approach to prolong the health of your players throughout the year as well as prolonging their careers. Now, the bigger issue IMO is what happens with the RT position and Brad Butler? We won't know until later the severity of his knee injury, but with John Runyan having made a visit last week, and unless he was picked up by someone, do the Bills sign him? If they do, what happens to Butler or Runyan when Butler returns?
Phil Hansen Forever Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 hey I am all for keeping Lynch, but I think the Bills need to use Lynch to spell Jackson and not the other way around... I completely agree. Jackson hits the holes hard, and looks alot like Thurman. Marshawn is good, but doesn't play with desire. He should be the backup and spell Freddy. Oman didn't look so bad either. They should have used him more to give Freddy a breather.
billsfreak Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 I completely agree. Jackson hits the holes hard, and looks alot like Thurman. Marshawn is good, but doesn't play with desire. He should be the backup and spell Freddy. Oman didn't look so bad either. They should have used him more to give Freddy a breather. I am not saying who should start either way, but to say Marshawn doesn't play with desire is downright dumb. You obviously have never seen him run, he never goes down on the first hit. His wheels never stop when he is running, you gotta be kidding with that statement.
BuckeyeBill Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Are people forgetting how good Marshawn is? Oh no, we are in the same predicament that Jacksonville was in with Fred Taylor and MJD. There are worse things to complain about.
pBills Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 I am not saying who should start either way, but to say Marshawn doesn't play with desire is downright dumb. You obviously have never seen him run, he never goes down on the first hit. His wheels never stop when he is running, you gotta be kidding with that statement. Totally agree. Marshawn plays with some serious intensity. As I said in another thread a thunder and lightning problem isn't bad. Hell even a two-back set would be another nice thing to confuse a defense.
loyal2dagame Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Is this thread really still going on? I love Bills fans, but you can't drink the Kool aid so easily. One of our players has two great games and you are ready to take carries away from the best RB in our division? Jackson is a great RB. I think he has proven that he is worthy of getting consideration for a starting job no doubt. He has wonderful field vision and great instincts. Plus, he is a work horse. This is nothing against Fred. But Marshawn Lynch is a premier RB. He is also 23 years old. And has rushed for 2,151 yards in two seasons. At a clip of 4.1 yards a carry. Behind a line that was incapable of run blocking. Does he always take the best cuts? No. But Lynch is our starting running back. I expect Jackson to get far more carries after his recent performances, but you don't give him more carries than Lynch. but this is how some superstars are born.... montana goes down, steve young starts hof career don majkowski goes down, bret favre starts a hall of fame career. bledsoe goes down, brady starts a hof career trent green goes down, kurt warner starts a hof career (kurt warner is bolded because his story relates to jacksons the most out of this group) now i know the guys above are all qb's, and by no means am i saying fred jackson can or will make the hall of fame, but one guy's misstep is another golden opportunity........... and some players tend to grab it and run
Heels20X6 Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 but this is how some superstars are born.... montana goes down, steve young starts hof career don majkowski goes down, bret favre starts a hall of fame career. bledsoe goes down, brady starts a hof career trent green goes down, kurt warner starts a hof career (kurt warner is bolded because his story relates to jacksons the most out of this group) now i know the guys above are all qb's, and by no means am i saying fred jackson can or will make the hall of fame, but one guy's misstep is another golden opportunity........... and some players tend to grab it and run You've listed QBs...not a good comparison because very, very few teams play both QBs in a game. Running game is totally different. Freddie is doing great right now but as some others have pointed out. Marshawn is a great back too!
LABills08 Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 but this is how some superstars are born.... montana goes down, steve young starts hof career don majkowski goes down, bret favre starts a hall of fame career. bledsoe goes down, brady starts a hof career trent green goes down, kurt warner starts a hof career (kurt warner is bolded because his story relates to jacksons the most out of this group) now i know the guys above are all qb's, and by no means am i saying fred jackson can or will make the hall of fame, but one guy's misstep is another golden opportunity........... and some players tend to grab it and run I think that is fair, though as you note, RBs and QBs are hard to compare. That being said, we (of all teams) know that the examples you give are the exception, not the rule. I love Fred Jackson. I am happy he will be on our team for the next 4 years. That being said, as the top teams in the NFL have shown, it is imperative to any solid team that there are two running backs on the squad who can compete. We all want Fred and Marshawn to each get a shot at 27 carries a game, but that isn't going to be the case. Despite that, to have the option to use both of them in a game plan makes our team SO much better. When Fred and Lynch are in the backfield, and TO and Evans are on the outside, teams are going to have to play the Bills very honestly. I like that.
loyal2dagame Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 I think that is fair, though as you note, RBs and QBs are hard to compare. That being said, we (of all teams) know that the examples you give are the exception, not the rule. I love Fred Jackson. I am happy he will be on our team for the next 4 years. That being said, as the top teams in the NFL have shown, it is imperative to any solid team that there are two running backs on the squad who can compete. We all want Fred and Marshawn to each get a shot at 27 carries a game, but that isn't going to be the case. Despite that, to have the option to use both of them in a game plan makes our team SO much better. When Fred and Lynch are in the backfield, and TO and Evans are on the outside, teams are going to have to play the Bills very honestly. I like that. agree 100%
Doc Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Speaking of Lynch, did I read right that while his suspension is for 3 games, the Bills won't play him until the 5th game?
loyal2dagame Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Speaking of Lynch, did I read right that while his suspension is for 3 games, the Bills won't play him until the 5th game? 1st i've heard of that. i think he'll play some in game 4, but they will most likely work him back into where ever he's going to be put in the offense.
Fan in Chicago Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Not sure this has been mentioned yet. But perhaps our new OL is very good at opening up holes. I have really liked the patience, cut backs and his ability to find holes from Jackson. But we do need to see how Lynch performs behind this OL. In week 4, Lynch will be brought in for a few plays. He may have his starting job back in week 5 with the onus to prove that he deserves it. But I do agree with other posters that no matter which way the percent of carries falls, the team will get the most production from the position through the length of the season with both backs splitting carries.
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