Gene Frenkle Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 This thread is awesome. It illustrates how wrapped up people get in their religion - there is real anger here! The bottom line is, you can't defend irrational belief in a rational way. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't believe in your religion-of-choice personally, but understand that it is in no way a rational way of thinking and that it simply cannot be defended with any sort of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 This thread is awesome. It illustrates how wrapped up people get in their religion - there is real anger here! When all else fails, tell them they're angry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 This thread is awesome. It illustrates how wrapped up people get in their religion - there is real anger here! The bottom line is, you can't defend irrational belief in a rational way. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't believe in your religion-of-choice personally, but understand that it is in no way a rational way of thinking and that it simply cannot be defended with any sort of evidence. That would be the difference between science (empiricism) and religion (faith). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Jesus Christ, this thread ROCKS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't believe in your religion-of-choice personally, but understand that it is in no way a rational way of thinking and that it simply cannot be defended with any sort of evidence. I actually agree with you. God is unquantifiable by science and science is unquantifiable by the faith in God. One can believe in both science and God because one does not prove or disprove the other in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 when someone has unjustified belief, lets say about medicine. lets say a person has cancer and the doctor says just take advil, it will be fine. this claim has no bearing on reality, it unjustified with no evidence and not only that we pay a price, that person would die... religion is doing the same thing, and the reason it is doing the same thing is because religion gets a free pass when it comes to criticism, its that simple. if someone was a professor and he had another unjustified belief, like kool-aid can heal blindness, he would immediatley pay a price, he would lose his title. the same conversational pressure needs to be brought forth towards religion to end this dogma and end the consequences of dogma like we see in the war on terror, ie war with fundamentalist islam... we are paying a terrible price here, u can see it in this whole thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 this is a good video to bring pause.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 when someone has unjustified belief, lets say about medicine. lets say a person has cancer and the doctor says just take advil, it will be fine. this claim has no bearing on reality, it unjustified with no evidence and not only that we pay a price, that person would die... religion is doing the same thing, and the reason it is doing the same thing is because religion gets a free pass when it comes to criticism, its that simple. if someone was a professor and he had another unjustified belief, like kool-aid can heal blindness, he would immediatley pay a price, he would lose his title. the same conversational pressure needs to be brought forth towards religion to end this dogma and end the consequences of dogma like we see in the war on terror, ie war with fundamentalist islam... we are paying a terrible price here, u can see it in this whole thread Are you drunk? This is unintelligible rambling. If I were a militant, seething atheist I would be embarrassed at how you were representing the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Are you drunk? This is unintelligible rambling. If I were a militant, seething atheist I would be embarrassed at how you were representing the cause. ok endzone animal what if i was ur doctor would u approve of this? y or n? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 ok endzone animal what if i was ur doctor would u approve of this? y or n? WTF are you talking about? What in the world does malpractice have to do with the existence of God? Try again...and this time try going up to the 4th grade, because your 1st grade grasp of the English language is killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 when someone has unjustified belief, lets say about medicine. lets say a person has cancer and the doctor says just take advil, it will be fine. this claim has no bearing on reality, it unjustified with no evidence and not only that we pay a price, that person would die... religion is doing the same thing, and the reason it is doing the same thing is because religion gets a free pass when it comes to criticism, its that simple. if someone was a professor and he had another unjustified belief, like kool-aid can heal blindness, he would immediatley pay a price, he would lose his title. the same conversational pressure needs to be brought forth towards religion to end this dogma and end the consequences of dogma like we see in the war on terror, ie war with fundamentalist islam... we are paying a terrible price here, u can see it in this whole thread You're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 WTF are you talking about? What in the world does malpractice have to do with the existence of God? Try again...and this time try going up to the 4th grade, because your 1st grade grasp of the English language is killing me. ok... calm down, relax... belief in certain specific ideas about god are unjustified, they are untenable. for example the belief about homosexuality being a sin is a faith based claim with no evidence.... same with the malpractice example , both are unjustified and we pay a price for both, the consequence is suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 religion is not merely belief in just a god or higher power, we have the bible, islam, judaism, quran, hadith etc... all these ideas must come under the pressure of rational dialogue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 ok... calm down, relax... belief in certain specific ideas about god are unjustified, they are untenable. for example the belief about homosexuality being a sin is a faith based claim with no evidence.... same with the malpractice example , both are unjustified and we pay a price for both, the consequence is suffering. So there's no difference between an empirically unprovable believe and an empirically disprovable belief? You really are an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 ok... calm down, relax... belief in certain specific ideas about god are unjustified, they are untenable. for example the belief about homosexuality being a sin is a faith based claim with no evidence.... same with the malpractice example , both are unjustified and we pay a price for both, the consequence is suffering. John, how old are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 When all else fails, tell them they're angry! If I say something true, even if it is oft-repeated, does that make it less true? It certainly makes it no less amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 So there's no difference between an empirically unprovable believe and an empirically disprovable belief? You really are an idiot. elaborate, im having a hard time following u. when something is unprovable then obviously we need to gather evidence or empiricism to make a choice on what is true... if something is disprovable then there is no reason to believe it. im equating that the malpractice ex and certain beliefs about god are under the same token of being unreasonable... they are both unjustified, they have no evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 So there's no difference between an empirically unprovable believe and an empirically disprovable belief? You really are an idiot. i would appreciate if u could stop calling me names... i didnt do that , its immature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 So there's no difference between an empirically unprovable believe and an empirically disprovable belief? The only difference I can come up with is that an empirically disprovable belief at least has the balls to make real concrete claims. An empirically unprovable belief is a much more common thing, devoid of any tangible value. Eating hot pockets will cure cancer. (we can fee hot pockets to cancer patients and see what happens) vs. There is an invisible, undetectable man in the sky watching over us all. (uhhhhh...nothing more to do here - make sure to fill the collection plate!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 JOHN.......there is no "requirement" in religion of scientific evidence having to be present in any discussion. Thats ones of the tenets of FAITH. Could you please get a firm grasp...****...get ANY grasp on what faith !@#$ing even MEANS before you keep this nonseniscal pile of rubbish and schlock you THINK is a discussion going? Jesus !@#$ing Christmas. but dont u think there should be... how else do we come to know truth, either something is true or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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