Study links 45,000 deaths per year due to lack of insurance

[Kelly the Dog]

But lets do nothing

[Fingon]

But lets do nothing

How many of those people can afford health insurance, but don't buy it? How many people are eligible for government assistance, but don't sign up for it? How many of those are illegal immigrants?

 

 

Let's answer those questions before we do something.

[Doc]

Here's where the "credibility factor" plummets:

 

The Harvard study, funded by a federal research grant, was published in the online edition of the American Journal of Public Health. It was released by Physicians for a National Health Program, which favors government-backed or "single-payer" health insurance.

 

And I have a suggestion on what we can do: tell people to eat, sleep, and exercise properly, and avoid high risk activities. But like everything else, it's too hard and throwing money at the problem is the answer.

[IDBillzFan]

How many of those people can afford health insurance, but don't buy it? How many people are eligible for government assistance, but don't sign up for it? How many of those are illegal immigrants?

 

 

Let's answer those questions before we do something.

Exactly. I would like to see that 45,000 broken down as to WHY they didn't have insurance.

[Kelly the Dog]

How many of those people can afford health insurance, but don't buy it? How many people are eligible for government assistance, but don't sign up for it? How many of those are illegal immigrants?

 

 

Let's answer those questions before we do something.

 

Those questions are already answered.

 

1] They will have to now, like car insurance in some states, and will pay a small fine if they don't.

2] A chunk. And some of that 45,000 surely fit into that category. It doesn't affect the point one bit though, just a few thousand of that number. For arguments sake, lets say 5,000.

3] A bigger chunk. Lets use the same proportion of illegal immigrants in the overall non-insured as in the dead poll: 10,000 of the 45,000 (as most figures go from 8-11 million illegals out of the 47-48 million un-insured).

 

That's 30,000 a year. You know, like 10 times more than died in 9/11. Every year.

[don4593]

How many of those people can afford health insurance, but don't buy it? How many people are eligible for government assistance, but don't sign up for it? How many of those are illegal immigrants?

 

 

Let's answer those questions before we do something.

 

 

Here's where the "credibility factor" plummets:

 

 

 

And I have a suggestion on what we can do: tell people to eat, sleep, and exercise properly, and avoid high risk activities. But like everything else, it's too hard and throwing money at the problem is the answer.

 

Didnt read the article, but from that quote I assume that means the phyiscians want government run heathcare?

 

Dont get me wrong but no sh*t. They would have a guaranteed income...they are the most biased people to ask on this matter.

[Kelly the Dog]

Here's where the "credibility factor" plummets:

 

 

 

And I have a suggestion on what we can do: tell people to eat, sleep, and exercise properly, and avoid high risk activities. But like everything else, it's too hard and throwing money at the problem is the answer.

 

Doctors are in favor of the public option, in huge numbers. And they are the ones that should know. And they are the ones that would be asked to accept less in the public plans. In the latest study, 73% of doctors were in favor of the public option and 27% in favor of just private. 10% of that 73% wanted a single payer only public option.

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790&query=home

http://www.drudge.com/news/125153/poll-63-...r-public-option

[Kelly the Dog]

Didnt read the article, but from that quote I assume that means the phyiscians want government run heathcare?

 

Dont get me wrong but no sh*t. They would have a guaranteed income...they are the most biased people to ask on this matter.

 

Doctors get paid about 25% less in public plans like Medicare now. In the study linked above, 63% of doctors want private insurers AND a public option, 27% want just private, and only 10% want only the public option.

[Doc]

Doctors are in favor of the public option, in huge numbers. And they are the ones that should know. And they are the ones that would be asked to accept less in the public plans. In the latest study, 73% of doctors were in favor of the public option and 27% in favor of just private. 10% of that 73% wanted a single payer only public option.

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790&query=home

http://www.drudge.com/news/125153/poll-63-...r-public-option

Looking at the numbers a different way, 90% of us want a private option. And those who support a public option want it to cover those out of the 47M (or so) who truly can't afford health insurance. Not for people previously with private insurance to be "dumped" into the public option.

[1billsfan]

Doctors are in favor of the public option, in huge numbers. And they are the ones that should know. And they are the ones that would be asked to accept less in the public plans. In the latest study, 73% of doctors were in favor of the public option and 27% in favor of just private. 10% of that 73% wanted a single payer only public option.

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790&query=home

http://www.drudge.com/news/125153/poll-63-...r-public-option

 

It's a bogus study because the one doing it is extremely biased in the outcome...

 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2...m-harvard-study

 

 

...and if what their saying is true then why are 45% of doctors thinking of quitting the profession if it goes through?

 

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/A....aspx?id=506199

[Doc]

Doctors get paid about 25% less in public plans like Medicare now. In the study linked above, 63% of doctors want private insurers AND a public option, 27% want just private, and only 10% want only the public option.

As an anesthesiologist, I get ~2/3 less in public plans like Medicare and Medicaid, and these patients are usually the sickest ones I see. It's ridiculous.

[Doc]

It's a bogus study because the one doing it is extremely biased in the outcome...

 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2...m-harvard-study

 

 

...and if what their saying is true then why are 45% of doctors thinking of quitting the profession if it goes through?

 

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/A....aspx?id=506199

No problem. The void will be filled with Nurse Practitioners. And there's now a "Doctor of Nursing Practice" degree, that you can get on-line, and you can be called a "doctor."

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

Interesting story, and as someone who used to read and find studies, encourage studies that backed my bosses' position I am always skeptical of polling numbers and survey's. That being said, I currently have a neurologist for my son with a brain deal that doesn't accept payment from insurance cos, but will give us the paperwork to submit to our insurance co. He doesn't want to deal with the paperwork or constraints of an insurance co.

 

Interesting tactic and to do nothing at the rate of insurance costs is not the answer. So who thinks that a public option with a penalty for Companies moving employees over to it v. still carrying their current private insurance is still a bad thing with the other option of dropping insurance all together? IMO as the cost rises, this problem gets worse in the next 10 years not better no matter what the economy does.

 

Controlling costs has to be most important way to address this issue, Making it happen on the backs of the middle class is not and that is what the Republican's are playing too when they say no to these bills.

 

Unless Obama et al address the out of pocket expense issue for the individual I can't believe this will fly or if it does and people feel it in their pocket book this will be a pretty short lived admin, despite Republican hypocracy and no solution to the issue.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

As an anesthesiologist, I get ~2/3 less in public plans like Medicare and Medicaid, and these patients are usually the sickest ones I see. It's ridiculous.

I hear you, but the problem is as a citizen I can't afford your 2/3rds at an 8-15% growth rate. Most folks would take that in long term equities right now and yet you are getting that rate increase in a down economy... Sorry, I don't have sympathy when the system is stretching my finances....

[Kelly the Dog]

Looking at the numbers a different way, 90% of us want a private option. And those who support a public option want it to cover those out of the 47M (or so) who truly can't afford health insurance. Not for people previously with private insurance to be "dumped" into the public option.

That is not what the public option in the plans being discussed is. People with private insurance now from their employers are not even eligible for the public plan. Nor are wealthy people who pay privately. NO ONE is being dumped into the public option.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

That is not what the public option in the plans being discussed is. People with private insurance now from their employers are not even eligible for the public plan. Nor are wealthy people who pay privately. NO ONE is being dumped into the public option.

Correct, what it would allow is those who don't have insurance to be part of and employers to do a cost benefit analysis to see if the cost increases of a private plans are less than the penalty they would have to pay for joining a public plan helping fund the plan... but lets not discuss what is seriously being considered as part of the legislation... lets just make up rhetoric.

[don4593]

It's a bogus study because the one doing it is extremely biased in the outcome...

 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2...m-harvard-study

 

 

...and if what their saying is true then why are 45% of doctors thinking of quitting the profession if it goes through?

 

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/A....aspx?id=506199

 

 

Thanks...Its comical how libs continue to overlook that. Doctors are biased.

 

My take is we shouldn't invest in such a health care program. I dont know what the numbers are but why is Obama trying to force this down our throat when half the nation doesnt want it? Because the other half does?

[IDBillzFan]

Doctors are in favor of the public option, in huge numbers. And they are the ones that should know. And they are the ones that would be asked to accept less in the public plans. In the latest study, 73% of doctors were in favor of the public option and 27% in favor of just private. 10% of that 73% wanted a single payer only public option.

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790&query=home

http://www.drudge.com/news/125153/poll-63-...r-public-option

There seem to be some conflicting polls out there. So I guess we'll just pick the ones that suit our desires.

 

Investors Business Daily says just the opposite: 65% oppose and "Perhaps the most shocking result: 45% of these professionals said they would consider closing their practices or retiring early if the reforms now under consideration were enacted."

 

I think this is where someone pisses on IBD and it's polling capabilities while suggesting that NE School of Medicine knows what it's doing.

 

Here's a more important poll: according to Rasmussen, 56% oppose Obama's health care plan (44% strongly oppose it), which is pretty bad considering he doesn't have one. Another 53% of those with insurance believe "they would be forced to change coverage if the proposed health care reform is approved."

 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...lth_care_reform

[The Poojer]

I wonder what the number is that is directly related to lack of insurance, this study says it is a large part but not the only part of the equation.....

 

....Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care....

[VABills]

Those questions are already answered.

 

1] They will have to now, like car insurance in some states, and will pay a small fine if they don't.

2] A chunk. And some of that 45,000 surely fit into that category. It doesn't affect the point one bit though, just a few thousand of that number. For arguments sake, lets say 5,000.

3] A bigger chunk. Lets use the same proportion of illegal immigrants in the overall non-insured as in the dead poll: 10,000 of the 45,000 (as most figures go from 8-11 million illegals out of the 47-48 million un-insured).

 

That's 30,000 a year. You know, like 10 times more than died in 9/11. Every year.

And over 3 million people die in this country every year that have insurance. Whats your point? insurance didn't save them.