GG Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 They will be....in the early stages as people escape the dollar. I don't know if you ever used to watch the Wheel of Fortune back in the old days. If you did, you may remember when after each round, the winner had to spend down all their money they had won during the round. The curtain would open up...and there would be a huge selection of merchandise. Funny thing though.....the prices of these prizes were said to be at retail value, but I would laugh at how disgustingly high they were. The catch is though......you had to get rid of that money on those specific items. If you held onto those dollars you won, they would be worthless. So you bit the bullet and bought up what you could in those 90 seconds, even though you were getting raped. While Geithner and Bernanke get to play Pat Sajak and Vanna White, and the contestants are Goldman, JP Morgan, et al....sit back and enjoy as they all solve the puzzle for you. Aahh Ok. That's a well thought out and rational explanation of how 15,000 Dow & $3,500 gold can coexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Aahh Ok. That's a well thought out and rational explanation of how 15,000 Dow & $3,500 gold can coexist. Yeah...............this really isn't the crew to use parables on.....so I've learned. Let me put together a PDF that has the header "Columbia University, Econmics 603, "Your Country's Currency is Fughed", page 311".... maybe you'll come to learn what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Yeah...............this really isn't the crew to use parables on.....so I've learned. Or half-assed game show analogies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Yeah...............this really isn't the crew to use parables on.....so I've learned. Let me put together a PDF that has the header "Columbia University, Econmics 603, "You're Country's Currency is Fughed", page 311".... maybe you'll come to learn what I mean. While you're at it, pick up Discounted Cash Flow for Dummies and get back to me on how equity values are supposed to rise when your debt cost of capital doubles in an inflation while you're not generating more profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 While you're at it, pick up Discounted Cash Flow for Dummies and get back to me on how equity values are supposed to rise when your debt cost of capital doubles in an inflation while you're not generating more profits. Funny things happen when the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve explode in the way it has. Things just tend to get bid up. I would expect to see the value of many things go up over the next 6 months while the fundamentals suggest otherwise. Federal Reserve printing machines win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Funny things happen when the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve explode in the way it has. Things just tend to get bid up. I would expect to see the value of many things go up over the next 6 months while the fundamentals suggest otherwise. Federal Reserve printing machines win Can you explain that in terms of "Hollywood Squares", please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Can you explain that in terms of "Hollywood Squares", please? Honestly Tom, I can barely form a sentence right now. I will just have to take a pass right now and explain it on another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Funny things happen when the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve explode in the way it has. Things just tend to get bid up. I would expect to see the value of many things go up over the next 6 months while the fundamentals suggest otherwise. Federal Reserve printing machines win Equity values are not normal assets. They are the residual of revenues and costs. If both go up in an inflation, your profit is unchanged. Look up equity performance in inflationary periods and then tell me if buyers will bid up stocks because everything is getting more expensive. If you buy into the Fed money machine theory, you shouldn't be looking to put money is the stock market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 While you're at it, pick up Discounted Cash Flow for Dummies and get back to me on how equity values are supposed to rise when your debt cost of capital doubles in an inflation while you're not generating more profits. Then maybe you can also explain to me how the NASDAQ Index reached 5,000 nearly a decade ago. I am sure you will say that the models of the new economy projected explosive growth in the bottom line, but in reality it was cheap money controlled by a bunch of monkeys who ran up certain investment vehicles in order to reap rewards all the while duping a greedy and unsuspecting public into the path of the soon to be released boulder of crushing loss. Sound familiar??? When the government gives you hundreds of billions....you better well use your influence to move markets in the direction they need it to go. The parlay of financial institutions strengthening their paper foundation by running up their own sectors even adds to the explosion in equity prices. How did we get $140 oil? Collusion to SURVIVE. Sure, there were supply issues, and dollar devaluation concerns built in....but it was an artificial runup of their balance sheets to SURVIVE. We will probably see those levels again on a pure inflation/war play.....but at the time it was not obvious what was happening. Dow 15,000 and 3500 gold probably won't co-exist. My point in contex was......I was not comfortable just keeping open shorts in the market because once the deflationary spiral came to a halt, and all the slimeballs were able to pick up what they needed to pickup at pennies on the dollar in some cases....they were going to reverse throttle. The printing presses will be on full blast for the forseeable future. There is no other choice. Bottom line...if you think the increased levels in the stock market are in direct proportion to the expected rise in future earnings at this point and time, you are too trusting. Sometimes the rules of the road get thrown out the window. You ever have an ambulance coming the other way cross into your lane? You ever have a car blow through a red light at an intersection as you are about to go through? Once again.....I think we have too many rigid thinkers here. The people that can't understand what I have been saying all along are all in concrete scientific jobs. Economist, Computer Programmer, Bioscientist, I don't know what Adams does but I'm sure it isn't Rock Musician. You have your structured world and it is hard to adapt to fluid, volatile changes. I understand that. That is why I pounded my point so long. I can find a group of a$$holes on any street corner if I want to get attacked. I have sympathy for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 If you buy into the Fed money machine theory, you shouldn't be looking to put money is the stock market. NO SHI*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 NO SHI*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good. Then explain again how you will get to 15,000 Dow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Once again.....I think we have too many rigid thinkers here. The people that can't understand what I have been saying all along are all in concrete scientific jobs. Economist, Computer Programmer, Bioscientist, I don't know what Adams does but I'm sure it isn't Rock Musician. You have your structured world and it is hard to adapt to fluid, volatile changes. I understand that. That is why I pounded my point so long. I can find a group of a$$holes on any street corner if I want to get attacked. I have sympathy for you guys. Again...we understand perfectly what you're saying. You're just an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjamie12 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Once again.....I think we have too many rigid thinkers here. The people that can't understand what I have been saying all along are all in concrete scientific jobs. Economist, Computer Programmer, Bioscientist, I don't know what Adams does but I'm sure it isn't Rock Musician. You have your structured world and it is hard to adapt to fluid, volatile changes. I understand that. That is why I pounded my point so long. I can find a group of a$$holes on any street corner if I want to get attacked. I have sympathy for you guys. YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ABOUT ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU'VE PREDICTED. I wasn't sure if you remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ABOUT ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU'VE PREDICTED. I wasn't sure if you remembered. Not "wrong". "Delayed". Just wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ABOUT ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU'VE PREDICTED. I wasn't sure if you remembered. Thats the beauty of time to choose/dwight drane. He'll spin it into how he was actually right that the SD game last season will get cancelled and that we'll have a banking holiday before october 2008 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Thats the beauty of time to choose/dwight drane. He'll spin it into how he was actually right that the SD game last season will get cancelled and that we'll have a banking holiday before october 2008 as well. Do you feel GG is a reliable source? Ask him how close we were to having a complete shutdown somewhere between the second week of September when I said "I am bringing surf and turf for everyone at the Oakland tailgate because there is a good chance we don't get to see the San Diego game." Go ahead and ask him. We were 2 hours away from a complete lockdown that would have taken weeks to unwind at best. The temporary problem was solved so you just escaped a shutdown. If the government didn't come in and back trillions worth of money market funds.....GAME OVER. By the way.....we are days away from both the expiration of that backing, as well as the end of the fiscal year for the government. The question leading up to that point was if the government was willing to let multiple large parties fail. Their failure themselves is not the problem, but it is the outstanding obligations that would come due upon their failure. Those obligations on related parties total hundreds of trillions of dollars....and when you add in other sectors of the economy such as interest rates, government debt, and commodities....they reach over a QUADRILLION dollars. Those obligations are still outstanding....unregulated....and not accounted for on the books of corporations. China in direct response to the policies of the US government, have decided that they will not pay out their obligation on certain contracts. This is the start of what will eventually cause the actual bank holiday. I know how much everyone enjoys stroking themselves when I am wrong, but your basic lack of understanding of the consequences that you will eventually face will only be amplified by your complaciency. It was my job to sound the alarm. There have been so many public events, policies and statements to confirm the direction of where your country is headed that only a fool or a fraud would deny there have been titanic shifts over the past 2 years. I said before, my job is done.....I am out of the stock market.....and I have gone from a time horizon of decades, to years and months as far as all economic and geopolitical events are concerned. All I can do now is let the events that unfold over these next few months and years speak for themselves. I refuse to root for the total collapse of this country in order to appease my ego on a message board comprised mainly of adolescents with limited vision. I hope that some of your attitudes on here do not reflect your view of reality, or else this country is in for even a bigger sh#tstorm than I ever imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Do you feel GG is a reliable source? Ask him how close we were to having a complete shutdown somewhere between the second week of September when I said "I am bringing surf and turf for everyone at the Oakland tailgate because there is a good chance we don't get to see the San Diego game." So your argument is that you were almost right, hence not wrong? Funny...everywhere else I've ever been, "almost right" equals WRONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I know how much everyone enjoys stroking themselves when I am wrong, but your basic lack of understanding of the consequences that you will eventually face will only be amplified by your complaciency. It was my job to sound the alarm. There have been so many public events, policies and statements to confirm the direction of where your country is headed that only a fool or a fraud would deny there have been titanic shifts over the past 2 years. I said before, my job is done.....I am out of the stock market.....and I have gone from a time horizon of decades, to years and months as far as all economic and geopolitical events are concerned. All I can do now is let the events that unfold over these next few months and years speak for themselves. I refuse to root for the total collapse of this country in order to appease my ego on a message board comprised mainly of adolescents with limited vision. I hope that some of your attitudes on here do not reflect your view of reality, or else this country is in for even a bigger sh#tstorm than I ever imagined. This time is no different than any of the other 2-3 dozen times where people thought the world was ending in the past 2,000 years. The world is always ending. Everyone always thinks their time is the end of times. Newsflash: it isn't. There's a reason why prophecy is vague. So morons can interpret it any way they choose and fit the current conditions to the prophecy. But, we know. Events are going to unfold over the next few months that will lead to armageddon and the coming of the anti-christ. Just like all the events you predicted that unfolded (or rather didnt) in the past 2,6,10,12,24,etc, months. Pick your time. While your mental illness is sad, and a danger to those closest around you, i am glad that you are here to provide us with barrels of laughs on a consistent basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 So your argument is that you were almost right, hence not wrong? Funny...everywhere else I've ever been, "almost right" equals WRONG. I only hope the misery experienced by many here in the near future doesn't match the level of joy you experience in soothing your concious by attempting to vilify a messenger who singled you out in order to protect and help, only because the reality of your pending demise is unable to be psychologically and possibly financially processed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 This time is no different than any of the other 2-3 dozen times where people thought the world was ending in the past 2,000 years. The world is always ending. Everyone always thinks their time is the end of times. Newsflash: it isn't. There's a reason why prophecy is vague. So morons can interpret it any way they choose and fit the current conditions to the prophecy. But, we know. Events are going to unfold over the next few months that will lead to armageddon and the coming of the anti-christ. Just like all the events you predicted that unfolded (or rather didnt) in the past 2,6,10,12,24,etc, months. Pick your time. While your mental illness is sad, and a danger to those closest around you, i am glad that you are here to provide us with barrels of laughs on a consistent basis. What is sad is that the few who have insisted on focusing on my Christianity in an attempt to ridicule, will ironically be the ones who cement me as a prophet when these things do come to fruition. I am glad that I can bring you happiness in the form of reveling in your ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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