Levitre AND Wood AND Bell

[Alphadawg7]

a screen pass with blockers out in front. What a concept!!

 

The difference was those screens were by design...last year Trent was dumping off to RB's all the time because he didnt know where to go with the ball on a check down, so the RB had no blokcers as it wasnt a screen.

[John from Riverside]

Last night people were asking how I could be so optomistic AFTER a loss like that to the patriots.....

 

There is your reason why.....Bell, Wood, Levitre (and Hangarter)

 

These guys are not together yet because they haven't played much together........I am actually going to be excited to watch them gel and see things magically start happening like running lanes opening up and deep throws happening because there is time for them to.

[Magox]

Last night people were asking how I could be so optomistic AFTER a loss like that to the patriots.....

 

There is your reason why.....Bell, Wood, Levitre (and Hangarter)

 

These guys are not together yet because they haven't played much together........I am actually going to be excited to watch them gel and see things magically start happening like running lanes opening up and deep throws happening because there is time for them to.

Don't forget Butler, I don't remember ever seeing pass rush from his side. I'm very encouraged with how the Offensive line looked this game. Definitely reason for optimism

[JESSEFEFFER]

Most left tackles cheat in their 2 pt. stance. They must keep their right foot within a yard of the ball and can flex their left side further back. I'd be curious just how far off he actually was.

 

He was very quick to setup for the outside move. Just a head fake and he was there, thus leaving himself off balance and unable to counter the inside move so he had to grab the guy rather than turn him loose. He might just have to slow his movement down a bit to match his opponent. He doesn't have to beat his man to the spot, just arrive there with his man and neutralize his momentum, maintain balance and lock him up.

[Rubes]

I just liked how these guys finally showed some attitude. Even Bell was out there mixing it up with guys after the play. That's what I like to see, a little nastiness out of this group. And hell yeah, they can run.

[BillsWatch]

Most left tackles cheat in their 2 pt. stance. They must keep their right foot within a yard of the ball and can flex their left side further back. I'd be curious just how far off he actually was.

 

It would be nice if more linemen and less QBs and WRs worked in studios. If they did they could show diagrams showing how far different lines are spread out, difference in distances and whether zebras call penalties the same, etc. Jaws occasionally mentions line work but only generally.

[Nick the Greek]

Bell reminds me of a young Jason Peters.. this guy is gonna be molded into our next pro bowl lineman, the a nasty holdout will ensue.

 

I'm glad we got rid of that blog Langston Walker. He was a bum, and complained about being moved to LT.. not exactly a model employee.

[folz]

When was the last time we saw our O-line making significant blocks on the second level let

alone on the third level?

 

These guys we're making successful blocks down the field...look at Freddy's

TD...Hangartner makes a key block on the outside at the second level and Levitre and Evans

are at the goal line blocking (10 yards from the line of scrimmage) to get Fred in the endzone.

So much for big, slow, soft lineman...bring on the young, smart, athletic guys who can pull and

finish blocks. Things are looking up (despite the heartbreaking loss)...as soon as these guys have

more experience, more knowledge of eachother, and cut down on the rookie mistakes...they could

be scarey good.

 

And even though we lost, loved watching us kill the Pats early and often with the screen...I've seen way too

many games where it was the reverse.

[SouthGeorgiaBillsFan]

The difference was those screens were by design...last year Trent was dumping off to RB's all the time because he didnt know where to go with the ball on a check down, so the RB had no blokcers as it wasnt a screen.

 

Alphadawg you like to pretend you know so much, but you clearly don't have any idea what a screen is. You preach about people's Madden knowledge and it is more than obvious that you suffer from this because you think that a short dump off to a RB is a screen. Let me explain it for you: a screen is where you *deliberately* do not block certain members of the defensive front, and it is designed to exploit blitzing. WR screens exploit corner blitzes, and RB screens exploit LB blitzes. Teams typically only Blitz when their defensive line is not producing pressure by itself (this is why blitzing from 3-4 packages is so much more common), thus it requires consistent and productive passing offense to set up a screen effectively. You have no knowledge of the game, and thus you get flamed every time you sit here and post judiciously as if you are some guru. You are an embarrassment to the Bills and this forum. Please stop posting forever.

[Alphadawg7]

Alphadawg you like to pretend you know so much, but you clearly don't have any idea what a screen is. You preach about people's Madden knowledge and it is more than obvious that you suffer from this because you think that a short dump off to a RB is a screen. Let me explain it for you: a screen is where you *deliberately* do not block certain members of the defensive front, and it is designed to exploit blitzing. WR screens exploit corner blitzes, and RB screens exploit LB blitzes. Teams only Blitz when their defensive line is not producing pressure by itself (this is why blitzing from 3-4 packages is so much more common), thus it requires consistent and productive passing offense to set up a screen effectively. You have no knowledge of the game, and thus you get flamed every time you sit here and post judiciously as if you are some guru. You are an embarrassment to the Bills and this forum. Please stop posting forever.

 

You are an idiot, seriously I am not even sure you can read at this point. You continue to make an ass of yourself on every thread you are on and havent stopped getting blasted by all kinds of posters since...

 

I know exactly what a screen is and if you were capable of reading you would see that I what I said a screen was is exactly what you trying to "teach" me.

 

So since you are about as dumb as my neighbors dog that just came running in from the beach and straight into her glass sliding door, I will attempt to dumb this down and simplify it for you Corky...

 

The reason they worked this monday was because they were by DESIGN...aka, a REAL screen. Last year we were not running screens a lot of the times when Trent was checking down to the RB, therefore the RB did not have any blockers and therefore they were not nearly as effective last year as they were this past Monday night.

 

So my original post was that we had success this Monday with them was because for they were by design instead of a late check down to a RB like occured so much LAST season.

 

Everytime I think you cant get anymore dumber you prove me wrong.

[Alphadawg7]

When was the last time we saw our O-line making significant blocks on the second level let

alone on the third level?

 

These guys we're making successful blocks down the field...look at Freddy's

TD...Hangartner makes a key block on the outside at the second level and Levitre and Evans

are at the goal line blocking (10 yards from the line of scrimmage) to get Fred in the endzone.

So much for big, slow, soft lineman...bring on the young, smart, athletic guys who can pull and

finish blocks. Things are looking up (despite the heartbreaking loss)...as soon as these guys have

more experience, more knowledge of eachother, and cut down on the rookie mistakes...they could

be scarey good.

 

And even though we lost, loved watching us kill the Pats early and often with the screen...I've seen way too

many games where it was the reverse.

 

It was very exciting seeing our athletic gaurds running down the field. I said it months ago, I said it when Walker was cut, and I will say it again...this O Line is the most talented we have had in a while, raw but talented, and by mid season I expect them to be better than last years unit.

[iinii]

And even though we lost, loved watching us kill the Pats early and often with the screen...I've seen way too

many games where it was the reverse.

amen

[Pilsner]

Alphadawg you like to pretend you know so much, but you clearly don't have any idea what a screen is. You preach about people's Madden knowledge and it is more than obvious that you suffer from this because you think that a short dump off to a RB is a screen. Let me explain it for you: a screen is where you *deliberately* do not block certain members of the defensive front, and it is designed to exploit blitzing. WR screens exploit corner blitzes, and RB screens exploit LB blitzes. Teams typically only Blitz when their defensive line is not producing pressure by itself (this is why blitzing from 3-4 packages is so much more common), thus it requires consistent and productive passing offense to set up a screen effectively. You have no knowledge of the game, and thus you get flamed every time you sit here and post judiciously as if you are some guru. You are an embarrassment to the Bills and this forum. Please stop posting forever.

 

 

 

Surprised about your attitude South Georgia. Seems like you had a rough day. Please keep your posts a bit more civil will you. Thanks.

 

Go Bills!!!

[34-78-83]

Alphadawg you like to pretend you know so much, but you clearly don't have any idea what a screen is. You preach about people's Madden knowledge and it is more than obvious that you suffer from this because you think that a short dump off to a RB is a screen. Let me explain it for you: a screen is where you *deliberately* do not block certain members of the defensive front, and it is designed to exploit blitzing. WR screens exploit corner blitzes, and RB screens exploit LB blitzes. Teams typically only Blitz when their defensive line is not producing pressure by itself (this is why blitzing from 3-4 packages is so much more common), thus it requires consistent and productive passing offense to set up a screen effectively. You have no knowledge of the game, and thus you get flamed every time you sit here and post judiciously as if you are some guru. You are an embarrassment to the Bills and this forum. Please stop posting forever.

 

You clearly mis-read what the guy said. He is exactly correct about what he actually said.

[djcalvin79]

the O-line made some mistakes, but i didn't see anything that cannot be corrected by watching tape and giving the line some more time to work together and settle in for the long haul.

 

glad to see Levitre corrected his preseason mechanics and wasn't getting bowled over or pushed back that easily. Wood is going to be an All-Pro very soon, he is a beast! Bell will turn into our next Peters, no doubts there - he has the skills and tools to get there, just some more games under his belt and we'll be fine. Butler was good in his anonymity - once again, can only get better. Hangartner is a big upgrade on Preston, Fowler and most of the other clowns we have had at the position.

 

i LOVED the streak of nastiness that has been brought in, hopefully that mentality will get through to the whole team and help us finish off games.

 

as much as this was a cruel way to lose, there is much more to be positive about than be pessimistic about.

[Lori]

Most left tackles cheat in their 2 pt. stance. They must keep their right foot within a yard of the ball and can flex their left side further back. I'd be curious just how far off he actually was.

 

He was very quick to setup for the outside move. Just a head fake and he was there, thus leaving himself off balance and unable to counter the inside move so he had to grab the guy rather than turn him loose. He might just have to slow his movement down a bit to match his opponent. He doesn't have to beat his man to the spot, just arrive there with his man and neutralize his momentum, maintain balance and lock him up.

Actually, I checked the rulebook on this, and they're only allowed to be a FOOT behind the line:

Section 18 Line of Scrimmage

Article 1 The Line of Scrimmage is the yard line (plane) passing through the forward point of the ball after it has been made ready for play. The term scrimmage line, or line, implies a play from scrimmage.

 

Article 2 A Player of Team A is on his line:

(a) when his shoulders face Team B’s goal line, and

(b) if he is the snapper, no part of his body is beyond the line at the snap,

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if he is a non-snapper, he is not more than one foot behind the neutral zone at the

snap.

(For a non-snapper to be on the line of scrimmage, the guideline officials will

use is that his helmet must break a vertical plane that would pass through the beltline

of the snapper.)

Note: Interlocking legs are permissible.

A.R. 3.8 Offensive A1 assumes a three-point stance with his shoulders facing defensive B’s goal

line. One hand is on the ground and it is on or not more than one foot behind his line.

Neither of his feet nor the other hand is within one foot of his line.

Ruling: A1 is legally on his line.

I have to admit I can't ever remember seeing it called more than once in the same game, though, and someone made the point earlier that the officials ignore it most of the time. Makes me wonder if one Mr. Belichick pointed it out to the line judge, making it a point of emphasis.

[ThereIsNoDog]

Actually, I checked the rulebook on this, and they're only allowed to be a FOOT behind the line:

 

I have to admit I can't ever remember seeing it called more than once in the same game, though, and someone made the point earlier that the officials ignore it most of the time. Makes me wonder if one Mr. Belichick pointed it out to the line judge, making it a point of emphasis.

If only Jauron had pointed out all the holding the Patriots' O-line did, and made that a "point of emphasis." Yeah, okay.

[Lori]

If only Jauron had pointed out all the holding the Patriots' O-line did, and made that a "point of emphasis." Yeah, okay.

He probably would've gotten an unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty for daring to question the mighty Patriot dynasty.

 

Kidding aside, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out that BB said something to the LJ, just like baseball managers "working" the ump or college basketball coaches taking a deliberate T to get the next few calls in their favor.

[jimmy griffin]

Added to the excellent play of the OL was great downfield blocking by OWENS. Any screen or 2nd level run depends on good blocking downfield. TO was a monster with that. And Nelson was good too.

 

All in all -- they finally seem to know what they are doing upfront. I credit VAN PELT and better talent.

 

They are ONE playmakere away on defense from benig a contender (need an impact LB).

[kbuckley9091]

Added to the excellent play of the OL was great downfield blocking by OWENS. Any screen or 2nd level run depends on good blocking downfield. TO was a monster with that. And Nelson was good too.

 

All in all -- they finally seem to know what they are doing upfront. I credit VAN PELT and better talent.

 

They are ONE playmakere away on defense from benig a contender (need an impact LB).

 

I noticed T.O. blocking a few times very effectively, very nice!!

I just hope he can be satisfied not getting his huge numbers and helping THE TEAM.

I know he only had 2 catches, but man did he OPEN UP THE FIELD or what? Just his prescence alone made a huge difference!