Leonidas Posted September 24, 2009 Posted September 24, 2009 Bo Jackson went from the #1 overall pick to a 7th rounder (183rd overall) the next year. I'm not sure if the baseball thing was more of a positive (he stayed in top shape) or a negative (he's not interested). Is that a real question, whether his interest in baseball caused his NFL draft value to rise or fall???
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 24, 2009 Posted September 24, 2009 Is that a real question, whether his interest in baseball caused his NFL draft value to rise or fall??? Not much of a question, really. He was interested in baseball before, during, and after Tampa Bay selected him #1 overall. They chose him #1 overall, gave him some gifts, and thereby blew his NCAA eligibility at Auburn. He was playing baseball as a professional when the Raiders drafted him in the 7th round. He even continued to play baseball while he was signed to play football for the Raiders. Al Davis saw it as a marketing opportunity and a chance to get a rare talent for the final stretch of the NFL season. Baseball was a factor both times. For Crabtree, the baseball thing is not part of the equation. If he sits out an entire year, playing catch in his backyard with friends, I'm not going to bet his stock isn't going to tumble. (In fact, I bet it already has tumbled.)
Leonidas Posted September 24, 2009 Posted September 24, 2009 After further review, I believe SF would actually be making a good move if they re-drafted Crabtree next year, at a more advantageous draft position. That is, if they still like the kid and think he will be a great WR. Next year Crabtree will have no option but to sign, IMO. The 49ers will still have their guy, at much less $$. Possibly they will have a more humble version of the same guy, if he is made to sit out the 2009 season. But my gut tells me he signs this year. Your gut, or...logic? There's no way Crabtree sits out the season unless he's a complete moron. Imagine negotiating next year? What's he going to do, sit out a second consecutive season? There's no way he makes MORE money by sitting out the season.
Fan in San Diego Posted September 24, 2009 Posted September 24, 2009 Yeah, and again, blackballing a guy is collusion. Now, that would only be illegal if it came out publicly. Ever tell a secret to 32 guys and expect it to stay secret? It doesn't work out. Seriously. Nobody will blackball the guy. But now he will be seen as a signing risk and a character risk as well as a talent risk. That will cause him to fall, probably to the mid to late first, though all of this is just a guess, really. They don't have to say anything to anybody, who wants to draft a head case loser like crabtree?
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 They don't have to say anything to anybody, who wants to draft a head case loser like crabtree? If they don't ask themselves this question, they should: Is Crabtree driven to become the very best football player he can become or is he focused on something else? The answer is crystal clear, IMO.
The Dean Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 Your gut, or...logic? I have a very logical gut.
Magox Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 I blame Eugene Parker, stupid piece of Crabtree better sign this year, and if he doesn't, then he will lose lots of leverage in negotiations going into next year. He will have to sign. To tell you the truth, I hope he doesn't sign this year, and I would love for him to get drafted late in the first round or even later, then what?
Thurman#1 Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 Yes, in small countries with homogeneous populations with ZERO military expenditure and abundant natural resources. And even THEN, it requires a criminal redistribution of wealth. The country I live in has much lower tax rates than the U.S. and has complete national health care. So, where is this criminal redistribution of wealth? Are bureaucrats sneaking into the houses of the rich at night here and grabbing gold toilets to melt down? Again, there are places where it works very well. Again, you're repeating the conservative orthodoxy without worrying much about the actual facts. Not that the liberals are right on with this issue either. But I live here and I know it works. And it's not the only country.
Thurman#1 Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 Since he won't be able to work out for any NFL teams before the draft and they'll have no idea where he is physically I think he'll slip past the first round and maybe to the fourth. I doubt it, personally, but you could be right. I'd bet mid to late first or maybe early second. We'll see, apparently.
Thurman#1 Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 Catching a winning pass vs Texas does not make you a great talent. Not sure where all the praise for a guy who is slower than the average NFL WR and smaller than the average NFL WR comes from. I just laugh at this situation. 6' 1" 214 pounds isn't smaller than average. And he isn't slower than average either, most likely, just about average. But if you don't think he was the best reciever in college last year ...
Preston Ridlehuber Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 Mike Williams was not tops at his position either. Crabtree blows him away. Mike Williams finished 8th in the Heisman voting as a sophmore and despite being forced to sit out a year by the NFL was still the 10th pick in the draft the following year. He was as highly touted as Crabtree before everyone realized that most Trojan recievers were products of the system.
Fan in San Diego Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 Mike Williams finished 8th in the Heisman voting as a sophmore and despite being forced to sit out a year by the NFL was still the 10th pick in the draft the following year. He was as highly touted as Crabtree before everyone realized that most Trojan recievers were products of the system. If the NFL forced him to sit out that is completely different scenerio than Crabtree. I really hate greedy people, Crabtree got greedy and I hope it bites him in the ass.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 If the NFL forced him to sit out that is completely different scenerio than Crabtree. I really hate greedy people, Crabtree got greedy and I hope it bites him in the ass. I agree S.D. I don't usually wish misfortune on people but I'm almost willing to make an exception for Crabtree. It looks, smells, and feels like greed. At the very least, this guy (and I put it on him) is seriously messing up his own karma.
Pete Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 Mike Williams finished 8th in the Heisman voting as a sophmore and despite being forced to sit out a year by the NFL was still the 10th pick in the draft the following year. He was as highly touted as Crabtree before everyone realized that most Trojan recievers were products of the system. so what is Williams NFL legacy? If anything that shows to stay the !@#$ away from WRs who took the year before the draft off
Pete Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 6' 1" 214 pounds isn't smaller than average. And he isn't slower than average either, most likely, just about average. But if you don't think he was the best reciever in college last year ... he is no don beebe
Alaska Darin Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 he is no don beebe Neither was Jerry Rice. 40 times are probably the most overrated stat in player evaluation.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 Neither was Jerry Rice. 40 times are probably the most overrated stat in player evaluation. I disagree. Jerry Rice is the EXCEPTION to the rule.
Alaska Darin Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 I disagree. Jerry Rice is the EXCEPTION to the rule. Bull. There are plenty of very good football players who weren't/aren't stopwatch fast but were/are football fast. Crabtree may not be a burner in the truest sense but that dude is definitely football fast.
MarkyMannn Posted September 25, 2009 Posted September 25, 2009 I wonder if SF is at the point in negotiations where they are DECREASING their offer to Crabtree? I mean what kind of contribution can he make this year at this point any way? He is set back his development at least a full year now
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