todd Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 That is the problem. No one can say "well maybe it was Reed's fault because he wasn't supposed to stop" or whatever. The problem is that whatever miscommunication occured, Trent still threw the ball into TIGHT double coverage. The throw should have never been made, regardless of if Reed kept going or not. And at the same time, people are complaining that Trent doesn't take enough chances and let the WRs make a play for the ball.
GG Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 If the OL or Edwards weren't as bad as they looked to my eyes in this game, then Heinz Field surely has some voodoo grass to explain why they or the ball were always on the ground when the Bills had the ball.
BuffaloBill Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 And at the same time, people are complaining that Trent doesn't take enough chances and let the WRs make a play for the ball. Amen .... he needs to let it fly once and a while. Big ben had some throws into tight coverage. It is the NFL so you do not get big windows. Timid throws smack of a lack of confidence all the way around (neither the QB nor the WR have the confidence to go get it.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I'm not sure which was more outstanding. Wood getting blown back into Edwards by Hampton, or Hangartner getting blown back into Edwards by Hampton. Or perhaps Butler getting blown back into Edwards by Harrison. Of course, it doesnt help when Edwards is sailing every pass over the heads of his WRs, or throwing it right into awaiting defenders hands. I guess i should give Edwards some credit however. He DID attempt to complete multiple passes to WRs and didnt just settle for 15 checkdowns. Ramius I'm sure glad I'm not the only one who watched the O-line get blown off the line of scrimmage because I was beginning to wonder if I may have watched the wrong game, everyone on the offense looked like sh#t. Marshawn is one person who didn't play that bad, not as bad as everyone else anyway.
ganesh Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Remember he will not be there for three games. Fred Jackson is a equally good blocker and he will be there for the season opener.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Fred Jackson is a equally good blocker and he will be there for the season opener. Fred Jackson has turned into one of TE's favorite relief valves and I'm sure he was missed.
reddogblitz Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Amen .... he needs to let it fly once and a while. I'm trying to give Turk and Trent the benefit of the doubt and be optimistic about them going into '09. But come on. This is basic football 101. A few times a game you send your fastest guy down the sidelines or on a post and have your QB heave it out to him wether he's covered or not. You might get lucky and get a PI or he might actually catch it. At the very least it sends a message to the other team. Watch out, we're going long. Don't cheat up. I have not seen this once in pre season. I haven't seen it very much in the last 2 seasons except when JP was playing like vs the Cards last year and the Jets the year before. Hopefully the cagey Dick Jauron is keeping this in his back pocket for the regular season. Go Trent !! Go Turk !! Go BILLS !!
thewildrabbit Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 He states that the Line did a better job then the RB's did in blocking. Dunno how he can state that when he clearly makes notes like: Wood was bull rushed by 91, almost to Edwards. Which is as good as a QB hurry, If the QB takes a 5 step drop the linemen are supposed to hold their blocks at the line. When they get pushed back 5 yards and into Edwards face, ITS A BAD BLOCK! Perhaps Ron is not worried about the O line, I certainly am. I watched Hangartner get bullied by BJ Raji in the packer game. I watched as the Blocking schemes and protections failed to allow Edwards the time he needed to throw the ball for the plays that were called against the Packers and Steelers. I'm not the only one worried either, For the Bills' offense, it was more of the same -- no touchdowns, no sustained drives and little yardage, or much like it's been throughout a preseason in which a newly installed no-huddle scheme has mostly been a no-go. It didn't help going against a Steelers starting defense that has yet to allow a touchdown in three exhibition games. "Maybe they need to huddle up a little more," Farrior joked. It probably didn't help going against a Steelers starting defense that has yet to allow a touchdown in three exhibition games. "We've got a lot of issues that we've got to solve," coach Dick Jauron said. "We've got to solve them very quickly." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gamecenter/re...0090829_BUF@PIT
vincec Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Ramius I'm sure glad I'm not the only one who watched the O-line get blown off the line of scrimmage because I was beginning to wonder if I may have watched the wrong game, everyone on the offense looked like sh#t. Marshawn is one person who didn't play that bad, not as bad as everyone else anyway. No, you watched the right game all right. The Bills offense stunk, line and all. In fact, I think that the line was the worst part of it. No running lanes and poor pass protection. It's tough to excel under those conditions. It's ok though, come September 14 the Bills will kick it into high gear like a formula one race car. They're just saving themselves...
billybob Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Some of it might of been the RBs some of it might have been the QBs But on the Fitz sack 76 of the Steelers Pushed both Wood and Seth Mckinne right back into the QB also Chambers was trampled - on the bright side Scott and Levitra both did a good, I guess it could have been worst. The Bills Oline Blocking seems very passive - they start backing up the second the ball is snapped and try to catch the DEs and DTs- I've noticed other Olines that initially go forward to meet the Dline and then slowly give ground - I wonder if the Oline is taught very passive techniques? any Oline experts out there.
ans4e64 Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 I'm not sure which was more outstanding. Wood getting blown back into Edwards by Hampton, or Hangartner getting blown back into Edwards by Hampton. Or perhaps Butler getting blown back into Edwards by Harrison. Of course, it doesnt help when Edwards is sailing every pass over the heads of his WRs, or throwing it right into awaiting defenders hands. I guess i should give Edwards some credit however. He DID attempt to complete multiple passes to WRs and didnt just settle for 15 checkdowns. I don't believe Wood and Hangartner got "blown back into Edwards." Your words are very strong. They might have gotten pushed back, but were never "blown back" into his face. That never happened. Butler did get pushed back into Edwards on the pass where Edwards' arm hit Butler's helmet, but I don't really blame Butler for that. For the most part, Woodley was under control by Butler, and Edwards saw the entire thing happen in front of him, and decided not to move, and still wind up and throw it into Butler's head anyway.
ans4e64 Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Ramius I'm sure glad I'm not the only one who watched the O-line get blown off the line of scrimmage because I was beginning to wonder if I may have watched the wrong game, everyone on the offense looked like sh#t. Marshawn is one person who didn't play that bad, not as bad as everyone else anyway. You did watch the wrong game. Go back and point out a sack or hurry for the first team offense that wasn't the result of the RB.
vincec Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Some of it might of been the RBssome of it might have been the QBs But on the Fitz sack 76 of the Steelers Pushed both Wood and Seth Mckinne right back into the QB also Chambers was trampled - on the bright side Scott and Levitra both did a good, I guess it could have been worst. The Bills Oline Blocking seems very passive - they start backing up the second the ball is snapped and try to catch the DEs and DTs- I've noticed other Olines that initially go forward to meet the Dline and then slowly give ground - I wonder if the Oline is taught very passive techniques? any Oline experts out there. The pass blocking set ups depend on the play called. In general, linemen back up more to form a pocket on deeper QB drops for slower developing passes and stay closer to the line for quick plays and play action passes, often firing out and cutting ends to prevent them from batting the quick passes. Linemen should never "catch" defensive players, however. Once they get back to their position they should be physical with the pass rushers.
TheChimp Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Here's the problem we have as Bills fans. We all love this team and we all want them to succeed. It causes severe anxiety and emotional distress. We also only know what we see on the field or what we read/hear in the media. When the team plays poorly, as they did against Pittsburgh, we all go Henny Penny because we've seen this act before. BUT....we only know what we see. We don't know who missed what assignment or what the hot read was on any particular play. It's entirely possible that based on a pre-snap read that Josh Reed was supposed to sit on the route and Trent threw the ball exactly where he was supposed to. Similarly, we don't know if it wasn't Trent that screwed up the initial read or even the play in his head. My hope (prayer) is that they sort this out before we play the Patriots. If not, they're going to get B word slapped on national TV and it'll be a loooooooong season. But it won't be Reed, it'll be Terrell Owens. Big difference.
Thurman#1 Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Reed has a responsibility to go fight for the ball regardless of where it's thrown of how hard he's going to get hit. If he can't live up to that responsibility then he doesn't belong on the team. Unless Reed's assignment on that play was to find a seam in the zone, which he did. You guys are all guessing.
Magox Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Unless Reed's assignment on that play was to find a seam in the zone, which he did. You guys are all guessing. so I guess it's all conjecture, we might as well never opinionate again.
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