Steve In Atlanta 2008 Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 All, there has been allot of speculation about 'Trentitive Edwards' passing in preseason... Some have said that the bills are being completly vanilla and I agree... Question is, is it because they are that Vanilla on purpose or because theyre that bad? Is Dick becoming "Tricky Dick 2009?" Will someone who went to camp this year please answer...... Did Trent Edwards ever pass down the field with ANY Success? Or were al his passes checkdowns? What they were practicing may be more indicative of the way they may really play in the real season so someone PLEASE tell us what practices were like!!!
Steve In Atlanta 2008 Posted August 31, 2009 Author Posted August 31, 2009 All, there has been allot of speculation about 'Trentitive Edwards' passing in preseason... Some have said that the bills are being completly vanilla and I agree... Question is, is it because they are that Vanilla on purpose or because theyre that bad? Is Dick becoming "Tricky Dick 2009?" Will someone who went to camp this year please answer...... Did Trent Edwards ever pass down the field with ANY Success? Or were al his passes checkdowns? What they were practicing may be more indicative of the way they may really play in the real season so someone PLEASE tell us what practices were like!!! Also, please comment on the 'D' in regards to blitzes and coverages ect...
ans4e64 Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I went to camp a lot and there were much more downfield throws and complex pass routes. In the preseason games it seems like everything is a 5 yard route. That's not what I saw at camp. They did have their fair share of checkdowns, don't get me wrong, but not like we've seen in these games.
TheBlackMamba Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 last year trent was in the top 10 qb's for completion percentage but only threw 11 td passes. the bears game told us everything we already know about trent. he was 10-10 for 71 yards and 0 td's!!! who cares if he goes 30-30, if it doesnt translate to td's than its pointless.
MattyT Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 If you're asking if our QB is more comfortable passing long when he's playing two-hand touch in practice instead of going against actual competition that is trying to rip your head off, then the answer will probably be YES.
Steve In Atlanta 2008 Posted August 31, 2009 Author Posted August 31, 2009 I went to camp a lot and there were much more downfield throws and complex pass routes. In the preseason games it seems like everything is a 5 yard route. That's not what I saw at camp. They did have their fair share of checkdowns, don't get me wrong, but not like we've seen in these games. This actually gives me some hope then... In the preseason games... it looks like TE doesnt even look downfield before checking down, meaning the RB is the INTENDED reciever... If this wasnt happening in camp then it is by design..
BuffaloBill Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 If you're asking if our QB is more comfortable passing long when he's playing two-hand touch in practice instead of going against actual competition that is trying to rip your head off, then the answer will probably be YES.
Beerball Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Also, please comment on the 'D' in regards to blitzes and coverages ect... Pash rush is pathetic. I think coverage against the Steelers looked pretty darn tight given the time Ben R. had to throw the ball. The lack of a pass rush is real and unless the team decides to unleash the DBs and LBs on blitzes more than in previous seasons then our 3rd down conversion (against) percentage will continue to suck. (IMO)
Steve In Atlanta 2008 Posted August 31, 2009 Author Posted August 31, 2009 Pash rush is pathetic. I think coverage against the Steelers looked pretty darn tight given the time Ben R. had to throw the ball. The lack of a pass rush is real and unless the team decides to unleash the DBs and LBs on blitzes more than in previous seasons then our 3rd down conversion (against) percentage will continue to suck. (IMO) My question is regarding the training camp practices.. Im wondering if the scheme at practices are correlating to what were seing on the field... Let me be clearer.. Were the plays being run in practices as vanilla as were seeing in the preseason games? If so, were SCREWED!
Lori Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 My question is regarding the training camp practices.. Im wondering if the scheme at practices are correlating to what were seing on the field... Let me be clearer.. Were the plays being run in practices as vanilla as were seeing in the preseason games? If so, were SCREWED! And ans already gave you the answer: no, this isn't the same offense we saw at SJF. Never is, once an opposing defense is added to the equation. But remember this: when Owens isn't in there, these are EXACTLY the same skill-position players as last season (minus Royal, a non-factor), but with a reshuffled and much younger line. That offense finished 25th in total yardage, 22nd in passing, 23rd in scoring. Adjust your expectations accordingly.
DaGimp Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Dude, Trent ripped up training camps. I believe Dick called him what he would say the Tom Brady of training camp
Mike32282 Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Actually I went to camp quite a bit and noticed that it was very similar to regular life....Trent Edwards didn't go deep hardly at all. Fitzpatrick and Hamdan both stretched the field a lot more. Edwards mainly checked it down, but sometimes he threw it in the middle of the field.
Beerball Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 My question is regarding the training camp practices.. Im wondering if the scheme at practices are correlating to what were seing on the field... Let me be clearer.. Were the plays being run in practices as vanilla as were seeing in the preseason games? If so, were SCREWED! Sorry, I misremembered your question.
Maddog69 Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I did not go to camp, but the reports I read said that all of the pretty downfield passes you saw on the news took place after the QB would have been sacked and the play was basically dead. The WGR guys all said that most of what they saw at camp were checkdowns.
GG Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Don't fall for it. It's all subterfuge by Jauron & Co. Wait til you see the real air attack. But seriously, I would be surprised if the first play of the season is not a deep bomb to Owens or Evans, given Pats young CBs. Then again, maybe I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't....
Ramius Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Don't fall for it. It's all subterfuge by Jauron & Co. Wait til you see the real air attack. But seriously, I would be surprised if the first play of the season is not a deep bomb to Owens or Evans, given Pats young CBs. Then again, maybe I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.... I wouldn't be surprised to see a bomb as they play CALL, but at that point its up to Trentative to have enough sack to actually attempt a pass down the field.
Mike32282 Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I did not go to camp, but the reports I read said that all of the pretty downfield passes you saw on the news took place after the QB would have been sacked and the play was basically dead. The WGR guys all said that most of what they saw at camp were checkdowns. That's what I saw a lot, especially when trent was the QB.
PDaDdy Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 All, there has been allot of speculation about 'Trentitive Edwards' passing in preseason... Some have said that the bills are being completly vanilla and I agree... Question is, is it because they are that Vanilla on purpose or because theyre that bad? Is Dick becoming "Tricky Dick 2009?" Will someone who went to camp this year please answer...... Did Trent Edwards ever pass down the field with ANY Success? Or were al his passes checkdowns? What they were practicing may be more indicative of the way they may really play in the real season so someone PLEASE tell us what practices were like!!! I was at practice too and didn't see any more long balls from Trent than I have in preseason. I don't quite understand where you are going with the question though. To get to the point of where I think you are actually going with this. You only need to look as far as Fitzpatrick and Hamden. They throw the ball longer than Trent with regularity in preseason games. Why in the world would the coaching staff only let Trent throw short and let the other two guys fire away? No getting around it. Edwards is a check down artist. End of story.
'64 Bills Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 and - when you see your 'wall' that's going to protect you being pushed backward and big holes developing - - it's only common sense to get out of dodge!
Mike32282 Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 I was at practice too and didn't see any more long balls from Trent than I have in preseason. I don't quite understand where you are going with the question though. To get to the point of where I think you are actually going with this. You only need to look as far as Fitzpatrick and Hamden. They throw the ball longer than Trent with regularity in preseason games. Why in the world would the coaching staff only let Trent throw short and let the other two guys fire away? No getting around it. Edwards is a check down artist. End of story. Exactly!
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