Mark Vader Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I'm actually a little overwhelmed right now. An apologist who can't defend Trent. It's a first. I think Mark, that you're heading in the right direction. I never like to be overly critical, and I was a long and obedient apologist for J.P., but once I saw the light I realized that while it may take some time for certain players to develop here and there, for some you can tell, it will never turn on. Trent's a tricky cat. We've seen him make nice plays. But then again we've seen the Cleveland game. I agree, Fitz is not ready for the starting position. I also don't like to mess with an alleged franchise QB. We took out JP and replaced him with Kelly Holcomb, and I think that did more harm than good. I don't know what to do with him, but for the mean time I think it's a fair request that every Bills fan should at least be on the guy's back. I want him to feel the pressure from the team and fans. He doesn't look to me like the guy who can rise out of pressure, but week one will be an excellent test for him. He probably will fail under pressure like always, but this season is his last chance to prove he can play football... ...the sad thing about Trent is that his game-plan is more conservative than Dick's coaching. It miraculously won us games, but if you play conservative and make mistakes like the littly rinky-dink pass that was picked off today, you'll lose them. I think in the end that this season will be an unnecessary one in the method of rebuilding. By allowing Trent to have one last chance, and seeing him fail, we'll effectively set ourselves back an entire season. We're a young team, but as some of our defenders get older, and Evans gains another year, it becomes a sad repetitive cycle. I want Trent to succeed. I like him as a player. Unfortunately, he's a Jekyll/Hyde player. You do'nt know what's going to happen with him. I remember that Cleveland game all to well. The 3 INT's in the first half were awful. Ironically he threw a 20 yard bullet to Royal on the last drive of the game, and our coaching staff in their infinite wisdom, chose to take the ball out of Edwards hands and then ran 3 straight short yardage running games. I really think that Edwards could have gotten us closer on that drive. So, do you still think I did'nt watch tonight's game?
Mark Vader Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 funny how the last 2 games featured 3-4 defenses Yeah. Just as funny as a sword swallower with swollen glands.
300yrds Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 yeah that wont happen. i wish there was a viable back up. Good thing we didnt bring in anybody to pressure TE for the starting job, who knows how we would have looked. good thing we didnt put any pressure on brining in cutler, that would have sucked too. its picking right up from last season. te is predictable and the more game tape available to teams the easier he is to stop i almost miss jp...??(im sure that will stir the pot)
murra Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 So, do you still think I did'nt watch tonight's game? You watched the Cleveland game, that's for sure.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Drink some more kool-aid, you clown. I've long refrained from the Edwards debate, but no one should be silly enough to make the claim that it's the line's fault. Way to admit you didn't watch the game. Come on Murra, it didn't help matters that the whole O-line was going backwards into TE's face from the first snap of the game on. The whole Offense was manhandled including and especially the WR's. TE, sucked, but so did everyone else. Until we get players like TO, Hardy, Nelson/Stupar involved in the mix nothing has changed from last season, and we know the O- line got weaker, at least from the get go. Add the Superbowl Champs staring you in the face across the line of scrimmage and you've got problems, especially when some of the coaches seem to be game planning exactly like a regular season game while others go out of their way not to, its not going to be pretty, pretty ugly maybe... I believe in keeping things close to the best and we suffered for it tonight. We didn't even try to counter the Steelers over pursing defense properly and the screens and dump offs we plan on using in the season opener are being kept hidden for a reason, that's just my opinion.
LancasterSteve Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Is he toast? Could be. after the beating he took in the Arizona game last season, Edwards is not the same QB. It sure looks like he is playing not to get hit, not to get hurt once again. Despite all the disinformation, Edwards is still like a rail in spite of all the work he has put in to bulk up. I believe that Trent's memory on getting hit is too good which ironically is not a trait you want when playing QB, hence the checkdowns, the dump-offs and the needless hurried throws that bounce in the turf or the passes thrown high that will get a WR injured. The NFL landscape is littered with once good quarterbacks who have lost their confidence.
murra Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Come on Murra, it didn't help matters that the whole O-line was going backwards into TE's face from the first snap of the game on. The whole Offense was manhandled including and especially the WR's. TE, sucked, but so did everyone else. Until we get players like TO, Hardy, Nelson/Stupar involved in the mix nothing has changed from last season, and we know the O- line got weaker, at least from the get go. Add the Superbowl Champs staring you in the face across the line of scrimmage and you've got problems, especially when some of the coaches seem to be game planning exactly like a regular season game while others go out of their way not to, its not going to be pretty, pretty ugly maybe... I believe in keeping things close to the best and we suffered for it tonight. We didn't even try to counter the Steelers over pursing defense properly and the screens and dump offs we plane on using in the season opener are being kept hidden for a reason, that's just my opinion. I hate to respond with such a simple answer, but it's truthful and should perhaps open your eyes: Our offensive line did a better job than the Steelers. Trent, however couldn't handle pressure. Big Ben used pressure to create. Trent used it to take hits, miss reads, and to throw it late. The whole offense was not manhandled, Trent just doesn't create.
twist_to_open Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 When are you all gonna get it....Buffalo is where potentially good quarterbacks go to die....It does'nt matter who lines up under center we will put them out of the league in 3 years max.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I hate to respond with such a simple answer, but it's truthful and should perhaps open your eyes: Our offensive line did a better job than the Steelers. Trent, however couldn't handle pressure. Big Ben used pressure to create. Trent used it to take hits, miss reads, and to throw it late. The whole offense was not manhandled, Trent just doesn't create. If you timed the difference given to the QB's and compared the two O-lines, you would see Big Ben's lineman gave him ample time and a pocket where as TE was having his own lineman literally shoved right into his face right from the very get go. TE played poorly, but the O-line contributed greatly to the problem, at least in my opinion. We all know Big Ben can improvise, he just won a SB doing it, he's one tough ass QB to go up against and seems impossible sometimes to bring down. One bright point of the evening though, Maybin looked really good at times.
Koufax Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Trent will be benched...for the final three quarters just like the other teams in the last pre season game. I would rather leave them out there until they score a TD or the game ends. But no, I definitely feel Trent is better than Fitzpatrick, and while we will likely be 0-1 to start the season, this team will progress and improve and do MUCH better than anybody feels right now.
Endzone Animal Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Why so much negativity...I "Billieve" still...
Guest dog14787 Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Trent will be benched...for the final three quarters just like the other teams in the last pre season game. I would rather leave them out there until they score a TD or the game ends. But no, I definitely feel Trent is better than Fitzpatrick, and while we will likely be 0-1 to start the season, this team will progress and improve and do MUCH better than anybody feels right now. I truly billieve you are correct.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Why so much negativity...I "Billieve" still... What , that the Steelers are the best team in the NFL
murra Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 If you timed the difference given to the QB's and compared the two O-lines, you would see Big Ben's lineman gave him ample time and a pocket where as TE was having his own lineman literally shoved right into his face right from the very get go.TE played poorly, but the O-line contributed greatly to the problem, at least in my opinion. We all know Big Ben can improvise, he just won a SB doing it, he's one tough ass QB to go up against and seems impossible sometimes to bring down. One bright point of the evening though, Maybin looked really good at times. I just don't agree with this. You guys called for JP's head, and his line collapsed even faster than this. You can't have it both ways, dude.
Bart Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 He needs to grow a set. The coaching staff needs to make a quick decision with Trent. Either he throws the ball down field or start Fitzpatrick. In the current offense, we will get blown out of many games. Trent seems to lack the mental toughness needed to play in this league.
murra Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 The coaching staff needs to make a quick decision with Trent. Either he throws the ball down field or start Fitzpatrick. In the current offense, we will get blown out of many games. Trent seems to lack the mental toughness needed to play in this league. HAHA, I LOVE IT. This is brilliant. The very reason he was granted a starting role over JP (his mental aspect) is the very reason we're calling him out a season later. I think this is hilarious.
Mike in Syracuse Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I'm not defending Trent Edwards by any means but I did notice something tonight and it's something I picked up on when I was at the Green Bay game. I'm not sure if this is an indictment of our defense or our QB but it tells me something is VERY wrong. At the GB game I watched Rogers throw passes to WR's that were WIDE open. When I say open I mean no Bills defenders within 3 -5 yards of the receiver. When ever I see Edwards throw a pass there always seems to be a defender right on top of our WR. The only time this doesn't happen is when Evans is running a streak down the sidelines and Edwards/Losman just heaved it. Doesn't it strike anyone else as odd that our WR's are never wide open and there are never any gaping holes for our RB's to run through?
PDaDdy Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Is he toast? Could be. after the beating he took in the Arizona game last season, Edwards is not the same QB. It sure looks like he is playing not to get hit, not to get hurt once again. Despite all the disinformation, Edwards is still like a rail in spite of all the work he has put in to bulk up. I believe that Trent's memory on getting hit is too good which ironically is not a trait you want when playing QB, hence the checkdowns, the dump-offs and the needless hurried throws that bounce in the turf or the passes thrown high that will get a WR injured. The NFL landscape is littered with once good quarterbacks who have lost their confidence. He is even more tentative than he was but when did he ever NOT check down? Kelly Holcomb would have been a better choice to replace JP the way this is going.
murra Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I'm not defending Trent Edwards by any means but I did notice something tonight and it's something I picked up on when I was at the Green Bay game. I'm not sure if this is an indictment of our defense or our QB but it tells me something is VERY wrong. At the GB game I watched Rogers throw passes to WR's that were WIDE open. When I say open I mean no Bills defenders within 3 -5 yards of the receiver. When ever I see Edwards throw a pass there always seems to be a defender right on top of our WR. The only time this doesn't happen is when Evans is running a streak down the sidelines and Edwards/Losman just heaved it. Doesn't it strike anyone else as odd that our WR's are never wide open and there are never any gaping holes for our RB's to run through? That's because the guy that Edwards decides to throw it to is being covered.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I just don't agree with this. You guys called for JP's head, and his line collapsed even faster than this. You can't have it both ways, dude. Nawww, I'm a J.P. backer and I never stopped rooting for the guy. Without Dockery and Peters though, to me, I'm seeing a noticeable difference, that's allot of hefty Beef and muscle we lost and its showing when we go up against the best in the league.
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