Cardioligists say F.U to Obama's Medicare cuts

[DC Tom]

So the solution to affordable health care is to have the government limit what a private citizen can earn?

 

Without limiting their expenses, mind you. Cardiologists should make less...but for God's sake, don't even think about lowering their malpractice insurance rates via tort reform.

 

Even better...as you lower pay rates for cardiologists, better people will go to other specialties, the overall skill level of the pool of cardiologists will fall, and malpractice insurance rates will then rise, either making care more expensive and drive more of them out of business.

 

Brilliant !@#$ing plan...

[ExiledInIllinois]

G.W wasn't polarizing, he was just a !@#$ing idiot.

 

and btw, what is my industry?

 

 

Aren't you in health care insurance or something? Maybe I am getting you confused with another poster... If so, I am sorry.

[DC Tom]

No... If the Lexus is 500,000 dollars compared to the Chevy maybe I would agree with you. I mean, my God... Does he even need a leg? Just put a wooden peg there. The Chevy is the wooden peg.

 

No, the Yugo is a peg leg.

 

You really think the prosthetics market is made up of six-figure bionic limbs on one end and broom handles on the other? There's perfectly sound and completely functional mechanical limbs on the market for a quarter the price of a computer-driven one that would probably suit your friend's needs perfectly. The idea that he needs an absolute top-of-the-line prosthesis and not one "merely" sufficient to his needs is exactly the attitude that drives up the cost of health care to begin with.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Without limiting their expenses, mind you. Cardiologists should make less...but for God's sake, don't even think about lowering their malpractice insurance rates via tort reform.

 

Even better...as you lower pay rates for cardiologists, better people will go to other specialties, the overall skill level of the pool of cardiologists will fall, and malpractice insurance rates will then rise, either making care more expensive and drive more of them out of business.

 

Brilliant !@#$ing plan...

 

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts.

 

We will cross that bridge when it comes. I am sure they will not get blood out of a stone.

 

Hey... What can I say... I live on the wild side.

[DC Tom]

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts.

 

We will cross that bridge when it comes. I am sure they will not get blood out of a stone.

 

Hey... What can I say... I live on the wild side.

 

Was there a point to this, or were you just trying to fit as many random cliche's as you could into one post?

[Kelly the Dog]

So the solution to affordable health care is to have the government limit what a private citizen can earn? That's all one can surmise by your complete disrespect for a person's income. By ensuring that people who earn $450,000/year as physicians limit their income to, oh, say, $251,000/year (we must have SOME rich people to tax), we will reduce the cost of health care?

 

Makes perfect sense. Where does it stop?

 

A lot of people can't afford food, so we should limit the income of people who own grocery store chains and farms, right?

 

A lot of people can't afford a house, so we should limit the income of home builders and realtors, right?

 

What about the people who can't afford to go to the movies? Limit the income of actors? I mean, $15 MILLION for a single film? Surely they can live on $251,000/year, right? Do you see how utterly ridiculous is sounds?

 

The problem with the left right now is that it has so brutally botched their efforts to reform health care that all it has left is a dead Kennedy and Waxman auditing how much health insurance employees make.

 

I get the thinking Dog. Villify a large group to show how bad a small group has it. It follows the liberal agenda step by step like a good little soldier. I miss the old days when a person aspired to be a CEO. Now the thing to do is to hate them.

NO... as I said to similarly comprehension challenged Magox...

I never said 450k was too much and don't at all think it's too much. I have never been and never will be in favor of caps on salaries with the POSSIBLE exception of those being paid by the taxpayer like with TARP and l don't really even like that idea. I was a strong proponent on here for the AIG guys getting their enormous bonuses for taking care of the bad loans. So get your facts right. I think people should be able to make as much as they can legally.

 

If they want to steal or gouge or take advantage of regular citizens I may have a moral problem with them on a personal level but would never ever think of restricting their salaries or how much they make.

 

I am beginning to see why you people read that a doctor can be reimbursed for voluntary consultation on end of life issues if their patient asks for it and turn that into Obama wants death panels to kill your grandmother... because you apparently don't bother to read or comprehend or understand what you are reading but then just leap to conclusions like Bob Beamon in Mexico City, you just take off and land somewhere on the other side of what people thought was humanly possible.

[ExiledInIllinois]

No, the Yugo is a peg leg.

 

You really think the prosthetics market is made up of six-figure bionic limbs on one end and broom handles on the other? There's perfectly sound and completely functional mechanical limbs on the market for a quarter the price of a computer-driven one that would probably suit your friend's needs perfectly. The idea that he needs an absolute top-of-the-line prosthesis and not one "merely" sufficient to his needs is exactly the attitude that drives up the cost of health care to begin with.

 

 

I understand. And shoot me for saying this... There is a sense of entitlement here. It is because of somebody's wrong doing (a tort) that he lost the leg in the first place. The guy that hit him was in the Navy, home on leave and drunk... He then filed bankruptcy.

 

And Tom, I really do agree with this:

 

The idea that he needs an absolute top-of-the-line prosthesis and not one "merely" sufficient to his needs is exactly the attitude that drives up the cost of health care to begin with.

 

Yet, if I am to embrace this totally... Other people will have to start thinking this and the culture will have to change. With that, my friend without the top of the line device would most likely have to move on to another job. Did I say he does my job and still manages to climb ladders and get into pits! Tractors with leg controls are a little more tricky though.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Was there a point to this, or were you just trying to fit as many random cliche's as you could into one post?

 

 

Yes Tom there was a point. Read your post I was replying to. You are making a lot of ifs with your tort reform post. We will see what happans... Never assume. Is the malpractice insurance premium really making doctors homeless? I didn't think so.

[ExiledInIllinois]

I am beginning to see why you people read that a doctor can be reimbursed for voluntary consultation on end of life issues if their patient asks for it and turn that into Obama wants death panels to kill your grandmother... because you apparently don't bother to read or comprehend or understand what you are reading but then just leap to conclusions like Bob Beamon in Mexico City, you just take off and land somewhere on the other side of what people thought was humanly possible.

 

 

The probalem is Kelly, people HATE change. I got 18 years in the federal gov't to prove that. When people get a gig going that they like... They refuse to change and try to make things better. Some even become obstructionists. The result is the looming stench.

[IDBillzFan]

Without limiting their expenses, mind you. Cardiologists should make less...but for God's sake, don't even think about lowering their malpractice insurance rates via tort reform.

 

Even better...as you lower pay rates for cardiologists, better people will go to other specialties, the overall skill level of the pool of cardiologists will fall, and malpractice insurance rates will then rise, either making care more expensive and drive more of them out of business.

 

Brilliant !@#$ing plan...

Did you hear Howard Dean explain at his town hall meeting this week that "the reason that tort reform is not in the bill is because the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everyone else they were taking on. And that is the plain and simple truth.”

 

I'm telling you, the fastest way for health insurance companies and doctors to make the left put away their tar and feathers is to start donating BIG TIME to Obama's 2012 campaign. Start filling the coffers now and maybe, just maybe, Obama, Pelosi, Reid,Waxman, etc. willl call off their hounds of hell and find some other group of people to berate and embarrass.

 

The probalem is Kelly, people HATE change. I got 18 years in the federal gov't to prove that. When people get a gig going that they like... They refuse to change and try to make things better. Some even become obstructionists. The result is the looming stench.

Study HR 3200 a little closer and you'll learn what stench is all about. Most of the people against this reform, and let's face it, most people ARE against it, see what happens when a tiny little program designed to help "the helpless" is managed by the government. You think it's an accident that Social Security is out of money? You think it's an accident that the postal service is a financial cluster!@#$? You think it's coincidence that a simple, tiny program like Cash For Clunkers became a bureaucratic nightmare for everyone BUT the car buyers? If you knew anything about cash flow, you'd know that it's not always a good idea to float the government a couple of million in hopes of getting reimbursed in time to make payroll.

 

I agree that some people are obstructionists, but to me, some people, like yourself, have WAY too much trust in the government. WAY too much.

[ExiledInIllinois]

I agree that some people are obstructionists, but to me, some people, like yourself, have WAY too much trust in the government. WAY too much.

 

Actually I think I don't have too much trust... You have too little. As you know I work for the fed/DoD and you should see the crap that goes on... We do a lot of good and I am a straight shooter with my employer. This doesn't mean I have unwarranted fear of the gov't. I just wish people will start working on the square to make positve change.

 

Maybe I think this way becasue I am slightly on the inside and I see how WE (meaning my immdeiate work group and agency) operate with the good that happens. Again, I also see the BS and it is coming from the current generation of mangers.

 

The part that I have trust in is that if you put good people into position where they can make positive change and have a sense of service to others... Good things will surely happen.

 

Why is that too much?

[Magox]

Aren't you in health care insurance or something? Maybe I am getting you confused with another poster... If so, I am sorry.

ya, you're confused

[IDBillzFan]

Actually I think I don't have too much trust... You have too little. As you know I work for the fed/DoD and you should see the crap that goes on... We do a lot of good and I am a straight shooter with my employer. This doesn't mean I have unwarranted fear of the gov't. I just wish people will start working on the square to make positve change.

 

Maybe I think this way becasue I am slightly on the inside and I see how WE (meaning my immdeiate work group and agency) operate with the good that happens. Again, I also see the BS and it is coming from the current generation of mangers.

 

The part that I have trust in is that if you put good people into position where they can make positive change and have a sense of service to others... Good things will surely happen.

 

Why is that too much?

You can work and trust the government all you want. But me, I would like the government to limit itself to what it's SUPPOSED to take care of; things like defense, interstate commerce, etc., and I'll take care of every other aspect of MY personal life, and will in no way hold the government accountable for anything other than the few things it's SUPPOSED to be accountable for.

 

In fact, you can keep what I've put in to Social Security and Medicare, stop taking that money against my will every two weeks, and I won't ask for your help when I retire, okay? While we're at it, stop telling me what I can or can 't do. Stop telling me why I'm part of an angry mob, or less compassionate than the neighborly liberal doling out welfare to illegals simply because I disagree with giving entitlements for the sake of securing votes. Stop telling me what gun I can carry. Stop telling me what I should or shouldn't eat. Stop telling me how to lead my freaking life, okay?

 

You can work and trust the government, but I would like the government to leave me the !@#$ alone because the overwhelming evidence is clear: what started out as a good idea has been turned into an embarrassing pay-to-play, rob the piggy bank guilt trip that is so unbelievably inept, that it can't even help people buy cars without tripping over themselves. They can't attempt to "stimulate" the economy without sending millinos to dead people and inmates while simultaneously trying to impress with the fact that they've suddenly figured out how much money they can save by using both sides of a piece of paper.

 

If I wanted to be committed to that incompetence, I'd still be hanging out with my last boss.

 

And by the way, before the left starts jumping in my schiit about how I'm not compassionate or don't want to help my fellow man, suffice it to say I go out of my way to help the helpless. In fact, give me more of my money and I'll use more of it to help the helpless. But since only the government can fix (fill in the blank), apparently by disagreeing with them, I'm just a bad, selfish, greedy douchebag. But that's cool. I love all the names the left comes up with.

[ExiledInIllinois]

You can work and trust the government all you want. But me, I would like the government to limit itself to what it's SUPPOSED to take care of; things like defense, interstate commerce, etc., and I'll take care of every other aspect of MY personal life, and will in no way hold the government accountable for anything other than the few things it's SUPPOSED to be accountable for.

 

In fact, you can keep what I've put in to Social Security and Medicare, stop taking that money against my will every two weeks, and I won't ask for your help when I retire, okay? While we're at it, stop telling me what I can or can 't do. Stop telling me why I'm part of an angry mob, or less compassionate than the neighborly liberal doling out welfare to illegals simply because I disagree with giving entitlements for the sake of securing votes. Stop telling me what gun I can carry. Stop telling me what I should or shouldn't eat. Stop telling me how to lead my freaking life, okay?

 

You can work and trust the government, but I would like the government to leave me the !@#$ alone because the overwhelming evidence is clear: what started out as a good idea has been turned into an embarrassing pay-to-play, rob the piggy bank guilt trip that is so unbelievably inept, that it can't even help people buy cars without tripping over themselves. They can't attempt to "stimulate" the economy without sending millinos to dead people and inmates while simultaneously trying to impress with the fact that they've suddenly figured out how much money they can save by using both sides of a piece of paper.

 

If I wanted to be committed to that incompetence, I'd still be hanging out with my last boss.

 

And by the way, before the left starts jumping in my schiit about how I'm not compassionate or don't want to help my fellow man, suffice it to say I go out of my way to help the helpless. In fact, give me more of my money and I'll use more of it to help the helpless. But since only the government can fix (fill in the blank), apparently by disagreeing with them, I'm just a bad, selfish, greedy douchebag. But that's cool. I love all the names the left comes up with.

 

 

If you want that, go back in time or go live up in the mountains away from everybody. We haven't been an agrarian society for quite some time. Like it or not. See it or not. Everybody is very interdependent on others.

 

We are better off in society than we have ever been... There still needs to be work.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

you mean this part of the article?

 

The cuts would be “impossible” for some small-town cardiologists who rely on Medicare patients, said Zia Roshandel, a heart doctor in Culpeper, Virginia. The town of 10,000 people is about 60 miles southwest of Washington

 

or was it this

 

Roshandel and two partners see perhaps 50 patients a day at his practice, the local hospital and a community clinic for the indigent, the 40-year-old said in a telephone interview. Medicare accounts for two-thirds of their clientele, he said.

 

Already squeezed by government and private insurers, Roshandel said he has cut office hours, forgone paychecks and shifted his 12 workers to a high-deductible insurance plan over the past two years. The latest proposal would push him out of private practice altogether, most likely to a hospital in a larger community less reliant on Medicare, he said.

 

or this

 

If the proposal stands, “the bottom line is I’m going to close the office,” he said. “This is impossible for me to survive. If my partners and I don’t get a salary and run it for free, maybe then we can survive.”

 

Medicare would reduce reimbursements for some of Roshandel’s most common procedures, raising the amount patients will need to pay up front, he said. The government would cut the $251 it pays for an echocardiogram, a sonogram of the heart, by 40 percent, he said. The rate for a cardiac catheterization, another test, would drop by a third to $249.

 

Those reductions include an additional across-the-board cut of 22 percent for all physicians mandated by federal budget rules. Legislation passed by three committees in the House last month would eliminate that cut, at a cost of $200 billion to U.S. taxpayers. Even so, if Medicare goes ahead with its tilt toward primary care, cardiologists will suffer, Roshandel said.

 

so where is the "poor me arrogance" that you guys were talking about?

 

But hey, why let facts get in the way of the truth right?

 

Sorry not buying, cry me a river. If you are talking business income or salary. That is a big difference, you implied personal income and so do a lot of the cardiologists whining in Westchester. Still have that violin for you.

[Kelly the Dog]

Study HR 3200 a little closer and you'll learn what stench is all about. Most of the people against this reform, and let's face it, most people ARE against it, see what happens when a tiny little program designed to help "the helpless" is managed by the government.

Actually, if you just explain to people in one simple sentence what you are asking, most people support the public option, and even more than that support health care reform.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/how...lic-option.html

[Booster4324]

Actually, if you just explain to people in one simple sentence what you are asking, most people support the public option, and even more than that support health care reform.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/how...lic-option.html

 

Liar, 98% of people polled said no to healthcare reform.*

 

 

*when asked if they wanted to kill Grandma.

[Kelly the Dog]

Republicans like this are just azzholes, plain and simple. Now the Republican party is saying that the Democrats are going pass health care, and then prevent Republicans from getting treatment.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...OQRH2AD9AC37PG1

[blzrul]

Republicans like this are just azzholes, plain and simple. Now the Republican party is saying that the Democrats are going pass health care, and then prevent Republicans from getting treatment.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...OQRH2AD9AC37PG1

And that's bad because?

[DC Tom]

We are better off in society than we have ever been...

 

This public service announcement brought to you by the side of the aisle who's platfor is based ENTIRELY on the opposite premise.