Cardioligists say F.U to Obama's Medicare cuts

[Kelly the Dog]

You are right Dog.

 

we need to have 'medical pay czar'.

 

So what is fair $450,000, $350,000, $250,000, $150,000?

 

While we are at it, we need to have a 'prescription drug czar'.

 

We also should have a 'law czar', !@#$ing scumbag lawyers making so much money, we need to regulate their pay as well.

 

!@#$ it! We just need a Czar to regulate everyone's pay. No one should be making lots more than what the average Joe is making, and if we can't do that, then let's tax the hell out of him. It's just not right.

 

I'm surprised Dog, really.

 

Like I said, right out of the Liberal Locotoad handbook, if you can't beat'em, demonize'em.

So you're in favor of gouging and killing people for profit, too? All I said was that I don't see how people can survive on $450 K a year, which the article implied these poor cardiologists are making. How the fukk you jump to the conclusions you made are beyond me.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Because you'll probably never see income like that in your lifetime you need to begrudge the people that have found a way to do so. Awesome job.

 

 

Hey I agree with you Chef. Same goes for the guy pushing the broom making a 100 grand. No need to begrudge that fella because you will never see in a lifetime that much money doing such a low-skill job.

 

More power to them, just don't be a hypocrite.

[Chef Jim]

And they should be demonized. I didn't create the problem... Greed did.

 

 

We had a labor hiring and firing Czar in BFLO during the 1940's... And ya, medical care is AT a crisis level.

 

I really hate people that pine away for the "good ole days" don't you?

[Magox]

So you're in favor of gouging and killing people for profit, too? All I said was that I don't see how people can survive on $450 K a year, which the article implied these poor cardiologists are making. How the fukk you jump to the conclusions you made are beyond me.

because you !@#$ing implied that $450 K a year was too much

[Chef Jim]

Hey I agree with you Chef. Same goes for the guy pushing the broom making a 100 grand. No need to begrudge that fella because you will never see in a lifetime that much money doing such a low-skill job.

 

More power to them, just don't be a hypocrite.

 

Making crystal clear sense as usual.

[Kelly the Dog]

because you !@#$ing implied that $450 K a year was too much

No I didn't. At all. Typical Republican **** response though, someone says how can you survive on 450k and you translate that to equal hating capitalism, putting caps on salary, thinking if 450k is considered a lot 150k must also be considered a lot and where does it stop?

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

Damn you, successful people! Damn you to hell. We won't stop until EVERYONE earns the same amount of money!!! Because when everyone's poor, no one is poor. It's sheer genius!!!

LOL, and you call libs arrogant.... please.... I have an invisible violin crying you a river just for you...

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

Hey I agree with you Chef. Same goes for the guy pushing the broom making a 100 grand. No need to begrudge that fella because you will never see in a lifetime that much money doing such a low-skill job.

 

More power to them, just don't be a hypocrite.

It's a Union Job and he hates that....

[Magox]

No I didn't. At all. Typical Republican **** response though, someone says how can you survive on 450k and you translate that to equal hating capitalism, putting caps on salary, thinking if 450k is considered a lot 150k must also be considered a lot and where does it stop?

Who are you fooling? Not me, that's for sure.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

because you !@#$ing implied that $450 K a year was too much

No, just that the statement implied a certain amount of poor me arrogance. Hey if doctors can make this poor me thing work for them politically fine... but don't tell me they deserve anymore then those scowflaw wall street traitors or professional athletes. It is what the market will bear, but what they deserve.... that is a question of priorities and that is what we are all arguing about.

[Magox]

No, just that the statement implied a certain amount of poor me arrogance. Hey if doctors can make this poor me thing work for them politically fine... but don't tell me they deserve anymore then those scowflaw wall street traitors or professional athletes. It is what the market will bear, but what they deserve.... that is a question of priorities and that is what we are all arguing about.

you mean this part of the article?

 

The cuts would be “impossible” for some small-town cardiologists who rely on Medicare patients, said Zia Roshandel, a heart doctor in Culpeper, Virginia. The town of 10,000 people is about 60 miles southwest of Washington

 

or was it this

 

Roshandel and two partners see perhaps 50 patients a day at his practice, the local hospital and a community clinic for the indigent, the 40-year-old said in a telephone interview. Medicare accounts for two-thirds of their clientele, he said.

 

Already squeezed by government and private insurers, Roshandel said he has cut office hours, forgone paychecks and shifted his 12 workers to a high-deductible insurance plan over the past two years. The latest proposal would push him out of private practice altogether, most likely to a hospital in a larger community less reliant on Medicare, he said.

 

or this

 

If the proposal stands, “the bottom line is I’m going to close the office,” he said. “This is impossible for me to survive. If my partners and I don’t get a salary and run it for free, maybe then we can survive.”

 

Medicare would reduce reimbursements for some of Roshandel’s most common procedures, raising the amount patients will need to pay up front, he said. The government would cut the $251 it pays for an echocardiogram, a sonogram of the heart, by 40 percent, he said. The rate for a cardiac catheterization, another test, would drop by a third to $249.

 

Those reductions include an additional across-the-board cut of 22 percent for all physicians mandated by federal budget rules. Legislation passed by three committees in the House last month would eliminate that cut, at a cost of $200 billion to U.S. taxpayers. Even so, if Medicare goes ahead with its tilt toward primary care, cardiologists will suffer, Roshandel said.

 

so where is the "poor me arrogance" that you guys were talking about?

 

But hey, why let facts get in the way of the truth right?

[Kelly the Dog]

Who are you fooling? Not me, that's for sure.

I never said 450k was too much and don't at all think it's too much. I have never been and never will be in favor of caps on salaries with the POSSIBLE exception of those being paid by the taxpayer like with TARP and l don't really even like that idea. I was a strong proponent on here for the AIG guys getting their enormous bonuses for taking care of the bad loans. So get your facts right. I think people should be able to make as much as they can legally.

 

If they want to steal or gouge or take advantage of regular citizens I may have a moral problem with them on a personal level but would never ever think of restricting their salaries or how much they make.

[Magox]

I never said 450k was too much and don't at all think it's too much. I have never been and never will be in favor of caps on salaries with the POSSIBLE exception of those being paid by the taxpayer like with TARP and l don't really even like that idea. I was a strong proponent on here for the AIG guys getting their enormous bonuses for taking care of the bad loans. So get your facts right. I think people should be able to make as much as they can legally.

 

If they want to steal or gouge or take advantage of regular citizens I may have a moral problem with them on a personal level but would never ever think of restricting their salaries or how much they make.

So let me get this straight, When E.I implicitly said that the Cardioligists should be demonized for the pay that they are receiving, and LABillz clearly responded to E.I and that they shouldn't be demonized, and that is what he was implying.

 

Then you say:

 

Fukk the sick and the poor. Just charge and make and gouge as much money as you possibly can off them when they're down and most vulnerable. I totally understand how you think, LA, I just don't understand how you can live with yourself.

 

in other words, you disagreed with what LABillz was saying, right? I'm sure you just weren't spouting off random B.S, and you implied that the Cardioligists are "!@#$ing the sick and poor" and that they should "just charge and make and gouge as much money as you possibly can off them when they're down and most vulnerable". If you weren't talking about the Cardioligists, then who were you talking about?

 

Like I said, who are you fooling, other than yellowlines?

[ExiledInIllinois]

Funny how on the campaign trail B.O was talking about wanting to unite everyone. I think I can safely say this, there hasn't been a president that has had such a polarizing effect on the American public in a very long time.

 

examples such as race, class warfare, and big government/socialism issues to just name a few.

 

 

Ya, you are right. 2000-2008 was a very long time ago.

 

Where do you come up with this sh*t. Do you have an ounce of dignity. Now that your industry is on the hook you are sounding like the same whiny liberals did a few years ago.

 

[IDBillzFan]

Fukk the sick and the poor. Just charge and make and gouge as much money as you possibly can off them when they're down and most vulnerable. I totally understand how you think, LA, I just don't understand how you can live with yourself.

So the solution to affordable health care is to have the government limit what a private citizen can earn? That's all one can surmise by your complete disrespect for a person's income. By ensuring that people who earn $450,000/year as physicians limit their income to, oh, say, $251,000/year (we must have SOME rich people to tax), we will reduce the cost of health care?

 

Makes perfect sense. Where does it stop?

 

A lot of people can't afford food, so we should limit the income of people who own grocery store chains and farms, right?

 

A lot of people can't afford a house, so we should limit the income of home builders and realtors, right?

 

What about the people who can't afford to go to the movies? Limit the income of actors? I mean, $15 MILLION for a single film? Surely they can live on $251,000/year, right? Do you see how utterly ridiculous is sounds?

 

The problem with the left right now is that it has so brutally botched their efforts to reform health care that all it has left is a dead Kennedy and Waxman auditing how much health insurance employees make.

 

I get the thinking Dog. Villify a large group to show how bad a small group has it. It follows the liberal agenda step by step like a good little soldier. I miss the old days when a person aspired to be a CEO. Now the thing to do is to hate them.

[Magox]

Ya, you are right. 2000-2008 was a very long time ago.

 

Where do you come up with this sh*t. Do you have an ounce of dignity. Now that your industry is on the hook you are sounding like the same whiny liberals did a few years ago.

 

G.W wasn't polarizing, he was just a !@#$ing idiot.

 

and btw, what is my industry?

[ExiledInIllinois]

I really hate people that pine away for the "good ole days" don't you?

 

 

Hell yes! It was the biggest mistake in BFLO history and unnecesary influx of people to the region... Even if WWII had to be one... One hell of a mistake. It has taken 60 years later and slow bleed off of people from the region that couldn't sustain them.

[Kelly the Dog]

So let me get this straight, When E.I implicitly said that the Cardioligists should be demonized for the pay that they are receiving, and LABillz clearly responded to E.I and that they shouldn't be demonized, and that is what he was implying.

 

Then you say:

 

Fukk the sick and the poor. Just charge and make and gouge as much money as you possibly can off them when they're down and most vulnerable. I totally understand how you think, LA, I just don't understand how you can live with yourself.

 

in other words, you disagreed with what LABillz was saying, right? I'm sure you just weren't spouting off random B.S, and you implied that the Cardioligists are "!@#$ing the sick and poor" and that they should "just charge and make and gouge as much money as you possibly can off them when they're down and most vulnerable". If you weren't talking about the Cardioligists, then who were you talking about?

 

Like I said, who are you fooling, other than yellowlines?

I didn't even read EI's response or LA's response to him. I only responded to LA's direct response to me and then your direct response to me. That's how the forum and reply box work.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Making crystal clear sense as usual.

 

Thanks. Makes great clear sense. Now if you were being sarcastic, here is that reply:

 

Hey, why don't you take some responsibility for yourself instead of blaming other people (me) for not making sense. Maybe it is you that doesn't make sense.

 

Okay, there I covered both bases.

[ExiledInIllinois]

because you !@#$ing implied that $450 K a year was too much

 

 

It is too much when the industry prices its own customers right into brankruptcy. Any other industry that does what the health care industry has done would be dead a long time ago. Instead people/customers get the crazy notion that they deserve the very best at whatever price. What a perfect sh*tstorm... Not event he gov't has that angle and racket covered... Not even the military...