Cardioligists say F.U to Obama's Medicare cuts

[Chef Jim]

From an email I just received from a friend:

 

 

 

Hello All,

 

 

By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday. However, there are many things that the major news has not covered. I feel that since Bill and I live here and we were at the airport on Friday I should share some facts with you.

 

Whatever you decide to do with the information is up to you. If you chose to share this email with others I do ask that you DELETE my email address before you forward this on. On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President would be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding on what they were going to do.

 

The White House would not release ANY details other than the date. On about Tuesday Bill found out that they would be holding the "Town Hall" at the airport. (This is only because Bill knows EVERYONE at the airport) Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded from the public.

 

FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a large amount of folks with sufficient parking. (gymnasiums/auditoriums). All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED IN!! $$$$$

 

During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it was our President coming several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. $$$$$

 

Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be handed out on Thursday 9am at two locations and the President would be arriving around 12:30 Friday. Thursday morning about 6:00 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request. Hmmmm.......900 tickets just DISAPPEARED.

 

 

This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think...with all of the traveling the White House is doing, $$$$$ one can only imagine what else we are paying for.

 

On Friday Bill and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal) and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd.

 

The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them.....professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area)

 

Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man.

 

So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest.

 

If you are wondering about the Press.....Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds. We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho. Speaking of the local media...they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event...wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of their head. It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes...the White House called our local HRDC (Human > Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America, more like the USSR!! I was physically nauseous. Bill and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices. If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in Washington DC. Scary!!

 

 

Bozeman, Montana

[DC Tom]

Republicans like this are just azzholes, plain and simple. Now the Republican party is saying that the Democrats are going pass health care, and then prevent Republicans from getting treatment.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...OQRH2AD9AC37PG1

 

I can't decide if that's hilariously pathetic, or just pathetic.

[DC Tom]

From an email I just received from a friend:

 

 

 

Hello All,

 

 

By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday. However, there are many things that the major news has not covered. I feel that since Bill and I live here and we were at the airport on Friday I should share some facts with you.

 

Whatever you decide to do with the information is up to you. If you chose to share this email with others I do ask that you DELETE my email address before you forward this on. On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President would be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding on what they were going to do.

 

The White House would not release ANY details other than the date. On about Tuesday Bill found out that they would be holding the "Town Hall" at the airport. (This is only because Bill knows EVERYONE at the airport) Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded from the public.

 

FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a large amount of folks with sufficient parking. (gymnasiums/auditoriums). All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED IN!! $$$$$

 

During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it was our President coming several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. $$$$$

 

Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be handed out on Thursday 9am at two locations and the President would be arriving around 12:30 Friday. Thursday morning about 6:00 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request. Hmmmm.......900 tickets just DISAPPEARED.

 

 

This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think...with all of the traveling the White House is doing, $$$$$ one can only imagine what else we are paying for.

 

On Friday Bill and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal) and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd.

 

The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them.....professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area)

 

Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man.

 

So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest.

 

If you are wondering about the Press.....Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds. We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho. Speaking of the local media...they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event...wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of their head. It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes...the White House called our local HRDC (Human > Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America, more like the USSR!! I was physically nauseous. Bill and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices. If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in Washington DC. Scary!!

 

 

Bozeman, Montana

 

Get your cash from your Nigerian pal yet?

[Chef Jim]

I can't decide if that's hilariously pathetic, or just pathetic.

 

I'm not even sure if pathetic is the right word. Not sure the word to express it even exists.

[Chef Jim]

Get your cash from your Nigerian pal yet?

 

No and I don't think I'm ever going to.

[The Poojer]

dude...i got mine...problem is, i really only need/want a couple grand worth of it....if i send you the check, can you deposit it for me and just send me about $3500...you can keep the rest........

 

No and I don't think I'm ever going to.

[Kelly the Dog]

No and I don't think I'm ever going to.

The email is another in an endless series of fraudulent claims, according to snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/montana.asp\

[Chef Jim]

The email is another in an endless series of fraudulent claims, according to snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/montana.asp\

 

Nice link. But you're probably right. I have friends who live in Montana and I thought it was from them (my wife forwarded it to me). I just realized it wasn't from them. Funny seeing his name is Bill.

[Booster4324]

Nice link. But you're probably right. I have friends who live in Montana and I thought it was from them (my wife forwarded it to me). I just realized it wasn't from them. Funny seeing his name is Bill.

 

Remove the last slash

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/montana.asp

[Kelly the Dog]

The schitheels just keep on coming. Mike Huckabee says under Obamacare, Ted Kennedy would have been told to "just take a few pills and go home and die" instead of battling terminal brain cancer. Oh, and then he warned Democrats not to politicize the tragedy.

Conservative media figures are blasting Democrats for trying to draw political gain from the death of Senator Ted Kennedy. But on Thursday, it was one of their own -- former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee -- who went there.

 

The 2008 Republican presidential candidate suggested during his radio show, "The Huckabee Report," on Thursday that, under President Obama's health care plan, Kennedy would have been told to "go home to take pain pills and die" during his last year of life.

 

"t was President Obama himself who suggested that seniors who don't have as long to live might want to consider just taking a pain pill instead of getting an expensive operation to cure them," said Huckabee. "Yet when Sen. Kennedy was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer at 77, did he give up on life and go home to take pain pills and die? Of course not. He freely did what most of us would do. He choose an expensive operation and painful follow up treatments. He saw his work as vitally important and so he fought for every minute he could stay on this earth doing it. He would be a very fortunate man if his heroic last few months were what future generations remember him most for."

[Alaska Darin]

Same here. The word for these kinds of people is:

 

Hypocrite

Actually, the word is ignorant and the person is you. The fact of the matter is it costs a lot to develop these things and they have a very finite consumer base. Add to that the fact that GOVERNMENT mandates care to people who can't afford to pay and you have hospitals and doctors who make up the money elsewhere - especially with people who have good insurance and a CONTINUING need.

 

You and the rest of the liberals continue to patch the tire while ignoring the fact that the car is completely totaled.

[ExiledInIllinois]

This public service announcement brought to you by the side of the aisle who's platfor is based ENTIRELY on the opposite premise.

 

Did I ever say I with the platform?

 

I know I am against their green platform.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Actually, the word is ignorant and the person is you. The fact of the matter is it costs a lot to develop these things and they have a very finite consumer base. Add to that the fact that GOVERNMENT mandates care to people who can't afford to pay and you have hospitals and doctors who make up the money elsewhere - especially with people who have good insurance and a CONTINUING need.

 

You and the rest of the liberals continue to patch the tire while ignoring the fact that the car is completely totaled.

 

 

Ya, very finite... They keep pouring in from Iraq and Afghanistan...

 

You are the ignorant one Darin if you think the prices are acceptable. I have some nice land in Florida to sell you.

 

You hit the nail on the head with the red part I highlighted though. Justification for gouging the people who have good insurance? Quite a clash with the Hippocratic Oath.

 

"...Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice,..."

 

I would say passing the added price onto paying customers/patients is an intentional injustice... IMO doctors should eat the cost, even if it means self-sacrifice on their part. That is what they are in it for, right? Public good.

[Magox]

Actually, if you just explain to people in one simple sentence what you are asking, most people support the public option, and even more than that support health care reform.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/how...lic-option.html

Talk about desperate, WoW!

 

So, NBC/WSJ, ABC/Washington Post, CBS/NYT, Fox News and Rasmussen Polls don't know how to ask the right question, but the Quinniapac and SRBI poll does?

 

 

Face it, people do not support the public option, and there will be no "public option"

 

since you like making bets with people, let's make one. If I lose, I will pay up and I will trust that you would as well.

 

What do you say? $100?

[ExiledInIllinois]

ya, you're confused

 

 

Ya... Sorry... You sound like all the other conservatives on the board. What do you do? Your buisness? If you don't mind me asking... If you do mind, that is cool!

[ExiledInIllinois]

Talk about desperate, WoW!

 

So, NBC/WSJ, ABC/Washington Post, CBS/NYT, Fox News and Rasmussen Polls don't know how to ask the right question, but the Quinniapac and SRBI poll does?

 

 

Face it, people do not support the public option, and there will be no "public option"

 

since you like making bets with people, let's make one. If I lose, I will pay up and I will trust that you would as well.

 

What do you say? $100?

 

 

Why don't you support the public option?

[Alaska Darin]

Ya, very finite... They keep pouring in from Iraq and Afghanistan...

 

You are the ignorant one Darin if you think the prices are acceptable. I have some nice land in Florida to sell you.

I never said the prices were acceptable and I doubt you have anything you could sell me that I'd be remotely interested in. Doesn't change the facts.

You hit the nail on the head with the red part I highlighted though. Justification for gouging the people who have good insurance? Quite a clash with the Hippocratic Oath.

 

"...Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice,..."

 

I would say passing the added price onto paying customers/patients is an intentional injustice... IMO doctors should eat the cost, even if it means self-sacrifice on their part. That is what they are in it for, right? Public good.

Ridiculous but expected. Clueless as always.

[Kelly the Dog]

Talk about desperate, WoW!

 

So, NBC/WSJ, ABC/Washington Post, CBS/NYT, Fox News and Rasmussen Polls don't know how to ask the right question, but the Quinniapac and SRBI poll does?

 

 

Face it, people do not support the public option, and there will be no "public option"

 

since you like making bets with people, let's make one. If I lose, I will pay up and I will trust that you would as well.

 

What do you say? $100?

I'll take that bet just for the hell of it. I am not sure whether the final bill that is passed will include the "public option" or the "co-op" option. Let's bet that it won't include either. All people really want is an option that will be lower than private insurance and make them compete. I don't care at all whether it is a public option or a co-op as long as it creates an option that is noticably less than private insurance.

 

And why don't you try refuting the substance or specifics of the article instead of just saying it's bull. Nate Silver is highly regarded and knows his stuff. Please tell me what you don't agree with in what he actually said, and why.

[ExiledInIllinois]

I never said the prices were acceptable and I doubt you have anything you could sell me that I'd be remotely interested in. Doesn't change the facts.

 

Ridiculous but expected. Clueless as always.

 

Oh look, Alaskan Dimwit has come out of the wild. Just getting home after a pounding day at work? So the prices ARE NOT acceptable, but you justify the means at which they charge those prices. Make up your mind. Nice fence sitting as usual, don't let the post stick you in the ass.

 

You said:

 

The fact of the matter is it costs a lot to develop these things and they have a very finite consumer base.

 

So what is it? Are the medical prices acceptable or not acceptable. Simple answer please. No fence riding.

 

Hey this name calling can be fun too... Thanks for the tips.

[Alaska Darin]

Oh look, Alaskan Dimwit has come out of the wild. Just getting home after a pounding day at work? So the prices ARE NOT acceptable, but you justify the means at which they charge those prices. Make up your mind. Nice fence sitting as usual, don't let the post stick you in the ass.

 

You said:

 

The fact of the matter is it costs a lot to develop these things and they have a very finite consumer base.

 

So what is it? Are the medical prices acceptable or not acceptable. Simple answer please. No fence riding.

 

Hey this name calling can be fun too... Thanks for the tips.

You know it's funny, you always whine about how things are shades of gray and then when something is explained in exactly that manner, you come back with "Make up your mind. Nice fence sitting."

 

I've stated NUMEROUS times that medical prices in this country are unacceptable and no consumer should be forced to pay any bill that isn't CLEARLY stated in ADVANCE of any treatment. Your beloved big government has set up this system starting with the HMO Act of 1973 and have could fix it at a whim but REFUSE to.

 

I have no idea what the markup is on your "friend's" particular piece of plastic was (I'm sure it was probably quite high) but that doesn't change the basic principles that are in effect in both the market (amputees) or the way the business is currently legally done. Should it have been $8K or whatever? Clearly not - but hospitals shouldn't be forced to treat people in emergency rooms for free, either - especially people who aren't in need of emergency care. Will that ever change? Somehow I doubt it, so get used to paying a premium.

 

I'm sure doctors/hospitals would be willing to charge a whole lot less the very second that trial lawyers and the Democrats in their hip pockets are willing to even talk about Tort Reform. I'm sure you're a champion of that.

 

As far as your name calling goes, I've been called worse by people I actually have some respect for. Feel free to take your best shot, Eric - it'll be as meaningless to me as the rest of your drivel.