jimmy griffin Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 It is widely believed that the 49ers won't pay Michael Crabtree a dime more than the Packers gave to defensive lineman B.J. Raji at the ninth overall slot. Meanwhile, we're hearing that his agent, Eugene Parker, is dealing with the Crabtree conundrum on the recruiting trail by blaming the holdout on the player. Parker, we're told, is pointing to the deal he negotiated for defensive end Tyson Jackson at the third overall slot as proof that Parker is willing and able to negotiate a fair deal for a first-round pick. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...iners-crabtree/
zazie Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 It is widely believed that the 49ers won't pay Michael Crabtree a dime more than the Packers gave to defensive lineman B.J. Raji at the ninth overall slot. Meanwhile, we're hearing that his agent, Eugene Parker, is dealing with the Crabtree conundrum on the recruiting trail by blaming the holdout on the player. Parker, we're told, is pointing to the deal he negotiated for defensive end Tyson Jackson at the third overall slot as proof that Parker is willing and able to negotiate a fair deal for a first-round pick. Maybe it is Crabtrees cousin that is the problem guy here?
BuffaloBill Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Soon Parker will be blacklisted by the clubs. I obviously have no proof but I wonder when he just gets frozen out.
zazie Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Soon Parker will be blacklisted by the clubs. I obviously have no proof but I wonder when he just gets frozen out. Not if he keeps getting the talent to sign with him. Which he will do by going through his tussle with Russ over JP blow by blow... and showing who won hands down.
GrudginglyOptimistic Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Soon Parker will be blacklisted by the clubs. I obviously have no proof but I wonder when he just gets frozen out. If the clubs want to blacklist Parker they will need to do so by not rolling over like the Bills did and deliver just about everything Peters wanted by trading him to Philly were he got the long term $10 million annual cap hit deal he said he deserved. Parker represented Peters to a result where he not only cashed in to the maximum reality could have offered, but he did so with a minimum of rancor as the Bills caved without many a cross word being said by Peters or Parker. There is no way that the NFL is going to stand-up to the positive advertising it gives Parker by giving in to the players goals after the Bills overplayed their hand by trying to hold him to the RT level contract he signed before he made the Pro Bowl as an LT. The real irony here is that if Peters in fact does turn out to be the dog some whiners on TSW accuse him of being or he simply has bad luck with injuries this will only increase the validity of Parkers's claims to being a super agent as he not only got a huge payout to a player under contract but got a huge payout for a bum. Parker is the only one guaranteed to come out of this as a winner.
KollegeStudnet Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 its comming to the point where the 49ers might trade him for a first rounder and another player...someone out there will give Crabtree the money...this might happen
zazie Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 its comming to the point where the 49ers might trade him for a first rounder and another player...someone out there will give Crabtree the money...this might happen If that happens every single prospective draft pick should immediately sign with Parker that will really affirm his genius.
Quester74 Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 All of which could and SHOULD be avoided by a rookie salary cap, so the monies you are going to make is pre-determined.
silvermike Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 If Parker is lying about the reasons for Crabtree's holdout, I think it would be pretty easy for his potential clients to determine the truth by, say, calling up Michael Crabtree.
ganesh Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 If Parker is lying about the reasons for Crabtree's holdout, I think it would be pretty easy for his potential clients to determine the truth by, say, calling up Michael Crabtree. And what do you expect Crabtree to tell the potential clients ? This Crabtree situation is insane and shows about the Greed of those two parties. I usually support the players for having to take care of their contracts, but this one is on Crabtree...The 49ers are playing by the rules and Crabtree is hurting his longevity on the football field by missing training camp and pre-season.
qwksilver Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 It is widely believed that the 49ers won't pay Michael Crabtree a dime more than the Packers gave to defensive lineman B.J. Raji at the ninth overall slot. Meanwhile, we're hearing that his agent, Eugene Parker, is dealing with the Crabtree conundrum on the recruiting trail by blaming the holdout on the player. Parker, we're told, is pointing to the deal he negotiated for defensive end Tyson Jackson at the third overall slot as proof that Parker is willing and able to negotiate a fair deal for a first-round pick. Is Parker also the rep for Andre Smith? Or does Smith have an Idiot cousin also? I havent heard anything from this situation?
BuffaloWings Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 What do you mean agents taking over sports? They took over sports years ago.
ans4e64 Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 its comming to the point where the 49ers might trade him for a first rounder and another player...someone out there will give Crabtree the money...this might happen No one would give up that much to ease the tension on the Bengals.
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 If the clubs want to blacklist Parker they will need to do so by not rolling over like the Bills did and deliver just about everything Peters wanted by trading him to Philly were he got the long term $10 million annual cap hit deal he said he deserved. Parker represented Peters to a result where he not only cashed in to the maximum reality could have offered, but he did so with a minimum of rancor as the Bills caved without many a cross word being said by Peters or Parker. There is no way that the NFL is going to stand-up to the positive advertising it gives Parker by giving in to the players goals after the Bills overplayed their hand by trying to hold him to the RT level contract he signed before he made the Pro Bowl as an LT. The real irony here is that if Peters in fact does turn out to be the dog some whiners on TSW accuse him of being or he simply has bad luck with injuries this will only increase the validity of Parkers's claims to being a super agent as he not only got a huge payout to a player under contract but got a huge payout for a bum. Parker is the only one guaranteed to come out of this as a winner. It takes 2 to tango. You could make a better argument that the Eagles screwed things up more by offering a 1st, 4th, and conditional pick plus $10M/year for Peters. Without such an offer, the Bills probably keep Peters.
GrudginglyOptimistic Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 What do you mean agents taking over sports? They took over sports years ago. I think it is silly that folks seem to want to give the players a free pass on the idiocies of the system and instead want to blame these excesses on the agents taking over the sport. Unless folks did not notice, the agents are mere employees of the athletes and pretty clearly in the big picture and almost always in the small picture an agent acts on a players direction and even behalf or the market does not allow him to represent players for very long. This is a very small market and universe of active contracts and word seems to travel pretty quickly as to which companies do a good job of delivering the cash and representing a player. Individual relationships do vary and players CHOOSE different agents to represent THEIR views and interests. However, the irony is here that these coddled and spoon fed boys who are the athletes who DECIDE whether to sign a deal or not have little experience except in one thing. Usually since choosing a high school these players do have significant experience in choosing a college program and a college HC to serve their interests in getting them to the point where they are selecting between various companies to represent them. Agents are an important tool in this process but make no mistake they are tools and employees of the players. In fact, if they are not providing a layer of insulation between the athlete and the public's view of who is driving the negotiation the agent is likely not doing a good job at a part of his work. No free pass for the players in taking responsibility for the way an agent does his work.
JohnC Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 If the clubs want to blacklist Parker they will need to do so by not rolling over like the Bills did and deliver just about everything Peters wanted by trading him to Philly were he got the long term $10 million annual cap hit deal he said he deserved. Parker represented Peters to a result where he not only cashed in to the maximum reality could have offered, but he did so with a minimum of rancor as the Bills caved without many a cross word being said by Peters or Parker. There is no way that the NFL is going to stand-up to the positive advertising it gives Parker by giving in to the players goals after the Bills overplayed their hand by trying to hold him to the RT level contract he signed before he made the Pro Bowl as an LT. The real irony here is that if Peters in fact does turn out to be the dog some whiners on TSW accuse him of being or he simply has bad luck with injuries this will only increase the validity of Parkers's claims to being a super agent as he not only got a huge payout to a player under contract but got a huge payout for a bum. Parker is the only one guaranteed to come out of this as a winner. I don't understand what the problem was with Parker's representation of Jason Peters. He got his client a more lucrative contract and had him traded to a consistent playoff team from a very playoff deprived team. Part of an agent's responsibility is to assess the market. Without a doubt his calculations for Peters was very accuarate. No one who is reasonable should doubt that the Eagles are a much more competent organization than the losing Bills. The Eagles let a declining all-pro LT Tra Thomas go and replaced him with a younger all-pro LT in Peters. In their estimation, they decided that Jason Peters was the caliber of player who warranted a lucrative contract. A lot of Bills fans believe that Peters and his agent were unreasonable when they wanted a better contract when he was already under contract. They weren't. Peters was payed at a RT rate when he was playing at a very high level at the most critical position on the line, the LT spot. In addition, what had to be very irksome to Peters was that he was one of the lowest paid payers on the line. Dockery and Walker, lesser players, were getting paid substantially more than he was. One of the weaknesses of the Bills this season will be the OL. Peters departure caused the whole line to be jumbled to fill the void of his departure. Langston Walker is a decent RT. As a LT the lumbering player will be overmatched by much quicker DEs. The best player on the OL is Woods. It is going to take an extended period of time to get the line playing at a competent level. What that means is that our offense will continue to struggle. The Bills front office had the opportunity to reopen Peters's contract two years ago. They played hardball and said no. So the result is that a mainstay on the OL for us who could have been retained for a lower price than his agent demanded the next year. Anyone who believes that the Bills are a better team without him is wrong. The Bills for almost a generation have been one of the worst teams in the NFL. There should be no surprise why the Bills have become one of the most irrelevant teams in the NFL.
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 I don't understand what the problem was with Parker's representation of Jason Peters. He got his client a more lucrative contract and had him traded to a consistent playoff team from a very playoff deprived team. Part of an agent's responsibility is to assess the market. Without a doubt his calculations for Peters was very accuarate. No one who is reasonable should doubt that the Eagles are a much more competent organization than the losing Bills. The Eagles let a declining all-pro LT Tra Thomas go and replaced him with a younger all-pro LT in Peters. In their estimation, they decided that Jason Peters was the caliber of player who warranted a lucrative contract. A lot of Bills fans believe that Peters and his agent were unreasonable when they wanted a better contract when he was already under contract. They weren't. Peters was payed at a RT rate when he was playing at a very high level at the most critical position on the line, the LT spot. In addition, what had to be very irksome to Peters was that he was one of the lowest paid payers on the line. Dockery and Walker, lesser players, were getting paid substantially more than he was. One of the weaknesses of the Bills this season will be the OL. Peters departure caused the whole line to be jumbled to fill the void of his departure. Langston Walker is a decent RT. As a LT the lumbering player will be overmatched by much quicker DEs. The best player on the OL is Woods. It is going to take an extended period of time to get the line playing at a competent level. What that means is that our offense will continue to struggle. The Bills front office had the opportunity to reopen Peters's contract two years ago. They played hardball and said no. So the result is that a mainstay on the OL for us who could have been retained for a lower price than his agent demanded the next year. Anyone who believes that the Bills are a better team without him is wrong. The Bills for almost a generation have been one of the worst teams in the NFL. There should be no surprise why the Bills have become one of the most irrelevant teams in the NFL. Reopen his contract 2 years ago, i.e. in 2007, just a year after giving him his big extension? LOL! Why not reopen negotiations after every good game?
JohnC Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 It is widely believed that the 49ers won't pay Michael Crabtree a dime more than the Packers gave to defensive lineman B.J. Raji at the ninth overall slot. Meanwhile, we're hearing that his agent, Eugene Parker, is dealing with the Crabtree conundrum on the recruiting trail by blaming the holdout on the player. Parker, we're told, is pointing to the deal he negotiated for defensive end Tyson Jackson at the third overall slot as proof that Parker is willing and able to negotiate a fair deal for a first-round pick. It is not unusual for agents to posture and offer smoke screens when negotiating on behalf of their clients. In this case I believe Parker. The fool for a client, Crabtree, feels that he is better than Howard-Bey, the recieiver drafted ahead of him by lunatic Al Davis of the Raiders, and thus should be payed at a higher level than his draft slot warranted. When dealing with a moron the best strategy to take is to ignore the fool. Eventually, Crabtree will be signed at the level he was originally offered. All his idiotic posturing will have accomplished is to set back his development in his rookie year. When drafting a fool-you get a fool.
JohnC Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Reopen his contract 2 years ago, i.e. in 2007, just a year after giving him his big extension? LOL! Why not reopen negotiations after every good game? The salary scale dramatically changed when when the organization overpayed for Dockery and Walker. Peters was moved from the RT spot to the most critical position on the line, the LT position. The reality was our best player on the line was one of the lowest players on the line. The Bills made a decision that they weren't going to reopen the contract. I understand the Bills' position. A trade was probably inevitable. The problem with this inept organization is that they didn't have a fallback position, such as acquiring a stopgap veteran LT or drafting another tackle. The front office decided to jumble the whole line and go on from there. I believe that is a foolish strategy to take.
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