Alphadawg7 Posted August 27, 2009 Author Posted August 27, 2009 It took Jim Kelly 32 starts to equal Trent Edwards win totals at 14 wins with 23 starts. I made some mistakes with my previous information, but my point was still made,.Trent Edwards is off to a very good start in my opinion, especially when you consider the supporting cast and coaching staff. Man, you and Magox should date... First you already tried throwing all these stats to propt up Trent about Payton, Eli and Brady and were way off...there wins and losses mask the MASSIVE improvements their teams made in their SECOND seasons for one...a clever way to bail Trent out (alla Magox).... Now you are scouring the net to find some other great QB who started slow (in wins/losses) in hopes to proving some point about Trent. I mean its pathetic really. Wins and Losses are not even remotely close as a usable evaluation of a QB and anoyone who has ever played a down fo real football knows that. Trent Dilfer is a SB winning QB...whats your evaluation of him? And a BIG FYI for you: For every Jim Kelly example you just gave where a QB wasnt winning early on, there are about 40 other Akili Smiths, Rick Mirers, etc that started off slow and never put it together. I just love how far some Trentative man crush fans will go to manipulate stats and statements to hide his poor performance. I actually find it quite entertaining and hilarious...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 27, 2009 Author Posted August 27, 2009 You're absolutely right! Our team is completely loaded at all positions except QB! When we win it's despite of him, and when we lose it's because of him. [/sarcasm] Spoken by someone who hasnt even looked in to it...go look at all 6 divisional games, the SF and CLE games last year and tell how even a solid QB outing doesnt win us those games. You cant (and wont) because there is no logical argument against you could possibly make becuase the QB postion was so atrocious in those 8 games. EIGHT GAMES! Thats a lot of games when we already had 7 wins. Even if we win just 5 of those 8 we win the division and make the playoffs. So until you actually go look it up, quit putting your foot in your mouth
Rico Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 So the entertaining SKOOBY gets bounced and the obnoxious Alphadouche7 stays, go figure.
Mr. WEO Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Wow, you are really slow arent you. Must be. But I'm glad I didn't write that post.
Nervous Guy Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 So the entertaining SKOOBY gets bounced and the obnoxious Alphadouche7 stays, go figure. TSW works in mysterious ways.
Magox Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 So the entertaining SKOOBY gets bounced and the obnoxious Alphadouche7 stays, go figure.
scoring is not hardy Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Spoken by someone who hasnt even looked in to it...go look at all 6 divisional games, the SF and CLE games last year and tell how even a solid QB outing doesnt win us those games. You cant (and wont) because there is no logical argument against you could possibly make becuase the QB postion was so atrocious in those 8 games. EIGHT GAMES! Thats a lot of games when we already had 7 wins. Even if we win just 5 of those 8 we win the division and make the playoffs. So until you actually go look it up, quit putting your foot in your mouth Right...............I just starting following the team this year. Obviously he has struggled, but he doesn't play in a vacuum.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Wow, you are really slow arent you. Its a team game, so if one AREA of the team struggles, another AREA of the team can bail us out. At the same time, various areas of the team can do enough to win just to see one area drag us down... In many of our wins under Trentative, we won despite Trentative not having a good outing. In many of our losses under him we lost becuase the rest of the team did enough for us to win if they would have had help from our QB...Very few times has Trentative gone out and had an actual good game. I can count Trentatives good games literally on a single hand...I need both hands and feet to count his bad games (includes both wins and losses). In fact, Trentative has yet to go out and carry this team to a win when it needed it. Good QB's are capable of that. His best game as a pro was just a 270+ yard outing with a single TD and it was against one of the worst D's in the league. My issue to is that he didnt even have a real productive College career either. He has never been capable of taking the reigns and winning us the game. At least not yet. but somehow Trent Edwards has won more games with as many starts as Eli and Peyton Manning, which by the way, Trent Edwards development looks very similar to Eli's in my opinion.
Erik Flowers Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Slighty above average would have meant 16-0? Apparently! Wow, that is optimism! And if you don't agree, you must not watch the games.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Man, you and Magox should date... First you already tried throwing all these stats to propt up Trent about Payton, Eli and Brady and were way off...there wins and losses mask the MASSIVE improvements their teams made in their SECOND seasons for one...a clever way to bail Trent out (alla Magox).... Now you are scouring the net to find some other great QB who started slow (in wins/losses) in hopes to proving some point about Trent. I mean its pathetic really. Wins and Losses are not even remotely close as a usable evaluation of a QB and anoyone who has ever played a down fo real football knows that. Trent Dilfer is a SB winning QB...whats your evaluation of him? And a BIG FYI for you: For every Jim Kelly example you just gave where a QB wasnt winning early on, there are about 40 other Akili Smiths, Rick Mirers, etc that started off slow and never put it together. I just love how far some Trentative man crush fans will go to manipulate stats and statements to hide his poor performance. I actually find it quite entertaining and hilarious... Pathetic? I made a mistake and admitted as much, you can't seem to get one post off with contradicting yourself and sounding like a fool. Eli and Peyton Manning were the first two QB's I researched, I hardly call it scouring the net, but I'll bet if I did research every current starting QB in the league Trent Edwards game winning percentage is in the top 20% of the league when you compare the first 23 starts of their careers.
Magox Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Now you are scouring the net to find some point about Trent. I mean its pathetic really. Oh the Irony...
Ramius Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 It took Jim Kelly 32 starts to equal Trent Edwards win totals at 14 wins with 23 starts. I made some mistakes with my previous information, but my point was still made,.Trent Edwards is off to a very good start in my opinion, especially when you consider the supporting cast and coaching staff. So what? Trentative has thrown fewer career TDs (18) in 23 games than JP Losman threw in a single season (19). Aren't stats fun?
Stenbar Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 So what? Trentative has thrown fewer career TDs (18) in 23 games than JP Losman threw in a single season (19). Aren't stats fun? lets hope Trentative dosnt end up playing like this after being in the league for 5 yrs..This might happen..lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MnC8QlucU
Guest dog14787 Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 So what? Trentative has thrown fewer career TDs (18) in 23 games than JP Losman threw in a single season (19). Aren't stats fun? Jay Cutler has thrown 54 Td's and 37 interceptions, yet his team went 17-20 so yes, stats are fun. You guys forget I'm a JP backer so by all means keep it coming.
KD in CA Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Spoken by someone who hasnt even looked in to it...go look at all 6 divisional games, the SF and CLE games last year and tell how even a solid QB outing doesnt win us those games. You cant (and wont) because there is no logical argument against you could possibly make becuase the QB postion was so atrocious in those 8 games. EIGHT GAMES! Thats a lot of games when we already had 7 wins. Even if we win just 5 of those 8 we win the division and make the playoffs. So until you actually go look it up, quit putting your foot in your mouth Sooo.....8 losses were all exclusively the fault of Edwards? Meaning what, a decent QB would have been 15-1 last year? Good grief. Nice to see the looney bin in full swing in August. btw...I notice you didn't bother to assign any credit for those 7 wins.
Mr. WEO Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Sooo.....8 losses were all exclusively the fault of Edwards? Meaning what, a decent QB would have been 15-1 last year? Good grief. Nice to see the looney bin in full swing in August. btw...I notice you didn't bother to assign any credit for those 7 wins. He's got that covered: In Trents wins, he did very little to help us win in a LOT of those wins. We literally won INSPITE of Trents below average performance thanks to the running game, D, and ST.
manbeast Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 The funniest thing on this board that I have seen time and time again is the growing list of threads making another excuse for Trent Christ to explain his frequent below average play. For every one good game he has 4 bad games (literally), but the excuse makers hold on to the one good game as "the real Trent" and make excuses and blame others for his bad games. So, rather than have dozens of threads making excuses for him, here is a chance to list em all. This way when he has a bad game we can all just come to this thread and find out who's fault it really was...lmao To get you started, here are some popular ones, including the most recent I saw that inspired this thread... 1. Turk 2. DJ 3. Gameday Preperation 4. Jason Peters Holdout 5. And the most recent and my favorite...Lee Evans isnt good enough I could easily list another dozen, but will let others... I am just wondering when everyone is going to stop blaming everyone else for his struggles and realize the kid hasnt put it together yet and he is still a stuggling young QB. Hopefully he gets there, our season depends on it, but I havent seen anything in the Preseason that suggests he has improved on his worst attribute which is reading the defense. He doesnt see coverages well or fast enough causing him to make throws late (when going downfield), not see open recievers, check down too often, and hold the ball too long leading to bad sacks and lots of fumbles. I don't care who you put behind our offensive line of the past few seasons they would have sucked too. Hopefully the line will be better. So far it appears to have made some progress I only hope that the progress speeds up. JP was a good QB too. the team ruined him.
bizell Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 Jay Cutler has thrown 54 Td's and 37 interceptions, yet his team went 17-20 so yes, stats are fun. You guys forget I'm a JP backer so by all means keep it coming. jay cutler was playing on a team with a bottom dwelling defense.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 So what? Trentative has thrown fewer career TDs (18) in 23 games than JP Losman threw in a single season (19). Aren't stats fun? How convenient that left out that this was in Losman's 3rd season, which Trent has just started.
Ramius Posted August 27, 2009 Posted August 27, 2009 How convenient that left out that this was in Losman's 3rd season, which Trent has just started. Of course, you ignore that each of the QBs had 1 season of part time starting (2005 for JP and 2007 for trentative), and then were given the reins of the offense (2006 for JP and 2008 for trentative). Through each of their 1.5 seasons of starting, 23 games for trentative and 24 games for JP, JP outscored trentative 27-18 in the TD department. But wait a minute...to trentative nuthuggers, this season is basically his rookie year, isnt it? He was injured the first 2 season so those don't count correct? And in 2004, JP threw 5 passes, so that counts as a full season of starting, right?
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