tennesseeboy Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 fantastic...strong stuff I always loved that poem and figured Tennyson must have been an old man when he wrote it, but actually it was one of his first and he was around 23 or so when he wrote it, if I remember correctly. How did a young man get that vision?
tennesseeboy Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Almost, DC, but more like... The Senator: "Ted Kennedy is a murderous, misogynist scumbag who, just like the rest of his family, used power and privilege to avoid the consequences of his miscreant behavior!" Tenny: "Oh yeah? I suggest you find the legal definition of murder - which, btw, no judge or grand jury ever charged against TK." The Senator: "That's because the foreman of that grand jury claims they were manipulated by a judge, police, and other authorities, who blocked them from doing their job and conducting a thorough investigation. Here's ample attribution from several credible sources, along with a detailed explanation of the penal code you requested, particularly as it relates to murder and malice aforethought. Tenny: (puts fingers in ears) "I can't hear you. La la la la la la..." The Senator: "I SAID, I HERE'S EVERYTHING YOU ASKED FOR - EVERYTHING YOU CLAIMED DID NOT EXIST!!!!" Tenny: "I still can't hear you. Neener neener neener neener...I'm not going to look at any of it...neener neener neener...I never said George Bush and Dick Cheney were dead...neener neener neener...Laura Bush was never charged with murder...neener neener neener...end of story...neener neener neener..." I never claimed the items you referred to did not exist. You offered to get 20, so I said go ahead. I was more curious about whether you were lame enough to get them than I was curious about whether there were 20 negative results. Fact is the grand jury didn't indict, a jury didn't convict, and it is all pretty much your right wing invective after that.
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I never claimed the items you referred to did not exist. You offered to get 20, so I said go ahead. I was more curious about whether you were lame enough to get them than I was curious about whether there were 20 negative results. Fact is the grand jury didn't indict, a jury didn't convict, and it is all pretty much your right wing invective after that. OJ wasn't convicted either. Just sayin'...
tennesseeboy Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 OJ wasn't convicted either. Just sayin'... Neither was Laura Bush. Nor me..nor you.
Wacka Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 fantastic...strong stuff Forgot Ted's final line: "Get me a Chivas!!!"
The Senator Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I never claimed the items you referred to did not exist. You offered to get 20, so I said go ahead. I was more curious about whether you were lame enough to get them than I was curious about whether there were 20 negative results. Yeah. Right. Sure. Speaking of 'lame', after you've been repeatedly PWNED, you come back and claim, "Yeah, I never said that, I just wanted to see if you'd post them." That's why you came back in a subsequent post - in a somewhat snotty, taunting tone - demanding them again...because you didn't really want them, right? Oh...where are those 20 items you promised after the crap you were posting yesterday as holy writ from the whacko right? Same thing with... As to murder...sit down with the retired judge and look at the penal law definition and get back to me how you see mens rea or for that matter the actus reus that would justify such a charge...especially since no judge or grand jury made it at the time? You weren't really serious about that either, at least not once I showed you how wrong you were, yes? Fact is the grand jury didn't indict, a jury didn't convict, and it is all pretty much your right wing invective after that. Well not quite. I'll concede that a grand jury did not indict, and a jury did not convict - though that's a rather ridiculous claim on your part, since a jury cannot convict if there's no trial. Now... Will you concede that the foreman of that grand jury claimed they were pressured and manipulated by a judge, a prosecutor, and police authorities NOT to conduct an investigation? And that the diver who recovered May Jo Kopechne's body stated that they were strongly pressured to alter their police report and testimony, particularly as it relates to Kennedy's speed at the time of the accident, to ensure a lesser charge and avoid a full-blown trial? And that the investigating Massachusetts State Police detective opined that, "Senator Kennedy killed that girl, same as if he put a gun to her head!" ??? You'll concede those truths, yes? Pwned again.
The Senator Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 Neither was Laura Bush. Nor me..nor you. There goes your ADD again. Did you or DC Tom ever drive a car off a bridge, then leave your passenger there to drown?
tennesseeboy Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 There goes your ADD again. Did you or DC Tom ever drive a car off a bridge, then leave your passenger there to drown? This is getting a little old, even for me...but I never did, nor did I drive through a stop sign to kill an ex-boyfriend. I for one however will admit I'm not without sin and I suspect DC Tom will admit the same. Kennedy had failings. We all do. He left significant accomplishments as a legacy. Republicans and Dems alike have acknowledged them. A list of some... The late Sen. Edward Kennedy is credited with several legislative efforts, most notably in the fields of civil rights, welfare and education. He was key to passing Head Start as part of the 1964 Economic Opportunity Act, the centerpiece of the War on Poverty. Kennedy fought for Title IX equal access for women and more student aid for GIs . He proposed increases in minimum wage, championed the Family and Medical Leave Act, shepherded the No Child Left Behind Act, led the fight for passage of hate crimes legislation and sought protections against discrimination for gays and women. He supported nuclear reduction treaties, enlisted labor unions and backed unrestricted access to abortion even in late term and for teens crossing state lines. He is ranked a liberal 95 percent of the time, according to the Almanac of American Politics, and a conservative 0 percent of the time. He received 100 percent ratings from Americans for Democratic Action, the Association of Federal, State, County and Municipal Employees and the League of Conservation Voters. Click here for a a list of the senator's accomplishments from his Web site. The following is a list of legislation molded in whole or part by Kennedy: 1964: Head Start -- Provided meals and early education to pre-school children through the Employee Opportunity Act. 1965: Hart-Cellar Act: -- Changed immigration policy to abolish quotas and lift a 1924 ban on immigration from Asia. 1968: Bilingual Education Act -- Mandated for schools to provide bilingual education programs. 1970: Voting Age -- Lowered the age to vote to 18. 1971: Federal Cancer Research Program -- Quadrupled the amount of money spent by the federal government to fight cancer. 1972: Meals on Wheels -- Strengthened the federal program offering nutritional meals to homebound seniors. 1972: WIC -- Offered food, nutrition counseling and health services to low-income women, infants, and children. 1972: Title IX -- Demanded equal funding for men's and women's athletics on college campuses. 1974: Campaign Finance -- Imposed limits on contributions to political candidates and set up a public financing option, post-Watergate. 1975: Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) -- Guaranteed free and appropriate public education to children with disabilities. 1978: Civil Rights Commission Act Amendments -- Expanded the jurisdiction of the Civil Rights Commission to protect people from discrimination on the basis of disability. 1978: Airline Deregulation -- Allowed airlines to choose their own fares, reducing costs for consumers. 1980: Refugee Act -- Established a U.S. policy for providing humanitarian assistance, admission and resettlement to refugees around the world. 1981: Fuel Assistance -- Provided home heating fuel for low-income and working poor families. 1983: Martin Luther King Day -- Established a national holiday to celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday. 1984: Improved Access to Polling Stations -- Required polling stations to provide physical accessibility for physically disabled and elderly people on federal election days. 1986: Employment Opportunities for Disabled Americans Act -- Allowed disabled workers to receive SSI benefits and Medicaid coverage. 1986: Anti-Apartheid Sanctions -- Banned the purchase of gold, coal, iron, and other goods from South Africa to protest apartheid. 1987: Even Start -- Offered early education, family literacy and related services to disadvantaged parents and their children. 1988: Fair Housing Act Amendments -- Prohibited discrimination towards people with disabilities in the sale or rental of housing. 1989: National Military Child Care Act -- Established the Department of Defense child care system. 1990: Americans with Disabilities Act -- Prohibited discrimination against any qualified individual with a disability in job application procedures, hiring or discharge, compensation, advancement and training. 1990: Ryan White CARE Act -- Provided assistance to states to develop effective and cost-efficient AIDS care programs, aimed particularly at early diagnosis and home care. 1991: Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty -- Halved the world's nuclear arsenal through cooperation with the U.S.S.R. 1991: Women in Combat -- Lifted the ban on women serving as combat aviators. 1992: Summer Jobs for Youth Program -- Appropriated $500 million to give 300,000 youth with summer employment. 1992: Mammography Quality Standards Act -- Ensured the safety and accuracy of mammograms and promoted the use of the procedure 1993: National and Community Service Trust Act -- Created AmeriCorps and the Corporation for National and Community Service to help expand volunteerism and education grants for students who choose to volunteer for service after college. 1993: Student Loans -- Allowed students to borrow money for college directly from the federal government. 1994: Family and Medical Leave Act -- Provided up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave for family emergencies or after the birth of infants. 1994: Crime Act -- Secured funding for 100,000 new police officers, imposed new penalties for crimes involving gangs and firearms and authorized the Police Corps, a program to award college scholarships to students in return for a commitment to serve as police officers. 1996: Kennedy-Kassebaum Act -- Enabled employees to keep health insurance after leaving their job and prohibited insurance companies from refusing to renew coverage on the basis of preexisting medical conditions. 1996: Mental Health Parity Bill -- Eliminated limits on mental health coverage that differ from other covered illnesses. 1996: Temporary Assistance to Needy Families Act -- Established Welfare-to-Work Initiatives to reduce the number of families dependent on government assistance. 1996/2007: Minimum Wage -- Increased the minimum wage from $4.25 to $5.15 in 1996, and then again from $5.15 in 2007 to $7.25 by 2009. 1997: State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) -- Supported state efforts to provide health insurance to uninsured children in low-income families. 2000: Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act -- Improved data systems and research on the extent and severity of minority health problems, and authorized significant resources to help enhance the delivery of health care to minorities. 2000 Public Health Threats and Emergencies Act -- Introduced initiatives to control the spread of germs resistant to antibiotics, and to protect the country against bioterrorism. 2001: No Child Left Behind Act -- Required more rigorous testing of public school students and permitted parents to transfer their children from low-performing to higher-performing schools. 2002: Bioterrorism Preparedness Act -- Established plan to help the country prevent, prepare for and respond to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies. 2002: Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act -- Expanded the country's intelligence and law enforcement capabilities to help identify individuals who have violated visas or have links to terrorist organizations. 2003: Up-Armored Humvees -- Provided funding for additional armor for military vehicles to meet the safety needs of American troops. 2003: PROTECT Act -- Provided funding for AMBER Alert notification systems along U.S. highways and awarded grants to states for the implementation of improved communication technologies. 2005: Gulf Coast Recovery and Preparedness Act -- Provided emergency funding to assist in the recovery efforts after Hurricane Katrina. 2006: Family Opportunity Act -- Provided states the opportunity to expand Medicaid coverage to children with special needs and allowed low- and middle-income families with disabled children the ability
The Senator Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I always loved that poem and figured Tennyson must have been an old man when he wrote it, but actually it was one of his first and he was around 23 or so when he wrote it, if I remember correctly. How did a young man get that vision? Perhaps, like Kennedy, he was just repeated something he read that was written centuries earlier? Robert Kennedy was so fond of quoting Aeschylus that, in a heated moment of the 1968 campaign, Sen. Eugene McCarthy accused RFK of " 'Aeschylating' the campaign!" (Don't even get me started on whether JFK or Ted Sorensen actually wrote Profiles in Courage.)
tennesseeboy Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 My favorite quote along those lines was attributed to Adlai Stevenson from wikipedia.. On another campaign occasion, he was somewhat rudely introduced at a Houston Baptist convention in the following way: "Gov. Stevenson, we want to make it clear you are here as a courtesy because Dr. Norman Vincent Peale has instructed us to vote for your opponent." Stevenson stepped to the podium and quipped, "Speaking as a Christian, I find the Apostle Paul appealing and the Apostle Peale appalling."[9]
The Senator Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 This is getting a little old, even for me...but I never did, nor did I drive through a stop sign to kill an ex-boyfriend. I for one however will admit I'm not without sin and I suspect DC Tom will admit the same. Kennedy had failings. We all do. He left significant accomplishments as a legacy. Republicans and Dems alike have acknowledged them. A list of some... . . . ... expand Medicaid coverage to children with special needs and allowed low- and middle-income families with disabled children the ability You left out his admirable and effective work on getting COBRA legislation passed. All in all, Kennedy authored more than 2,500 bills in his 47-year career in the United States Senate. Of those he authored or co-sponsored, several hundred became Public Law (552 since 1973 - prior to that, Senate records do not list co-sponsors). Look...I will concede that Ted Kennedy was an effective legislator, a congenial colleague (for the most part), and a towering figure on the American political landscape. I will also concede that - particularly in his later years - he served his constituents quite well, and even seemed to have developed a conscience. And you do ( I guess???) grudgingly acknowledge the grand jury foreman's claim of a cover-up, along with the diver's claim that they were strong-armed in to falsifying police reports, and the state police detective's claim that Kennedy was guilty of murder. My point was that he - like the other Kennedy boys - is a misogynistic miscreant who considered himself above the law, and that he used his power, privileged, prestige, and position to - literally - get away with murder. I guess, to you, that's simply one - among many - of his 'failings'. And I'm still not sure why you keep bringing yours, Laura Bush's, or DC Tom's driving record into the discussion - I thought the thread was about Kennedy. I guess your point just too obtuse for me. (I also wasn't aware you had an ex-boyfriend - not that there's anything wrong with that. )
The Senator Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 My favorite quote along those lines was attributed to Adlai Stevenson from wikipedia.. On another campaign occasion, he was somewhat rudely introduced at a Houston Baptist convention in the following way: "Gov. Stevenson, we want to make it clear you are here as a courtesy because Dr. Norman Vincent Peale has instructed us to vote for your opponent." Stevenson stepped to the podium and quipped, "Speaking as a Christian, I find the Apostle Paul appealing and the Apostle Peale appalling."[9] That is a good one. I wonder if Stevenson and Bob Hope shared the same writer?
tennesseeboy Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 You left out his admirable and effective work on getting COBRA legislation passed. All in all, Kennedy authored more than 2,500 bills in his 47-year career in the United States Senate. Of those he authored or co-sponsored, several hundred became Public Law (552 since 1973 - prior to that, Senate records do not list co-sponsors). Look...I will concede that Ted Kennedy was an effective legislator, a congenial colleague (for the most part), and a towering figure on the American political landscape. I will also concede that - particularly in his later years - he served his constituents quite well, and even seemed to have developed a conscience. And you do ( I guess???) grudgingly acknowledge the grand jury foreman's claim of a cover-up, along with the diver's claim that they were strong-armed in to falsifying police reports, and the state police detective's claim that Kennedy was guilty of murder. My point was that he - like the other Kennedy boys - is a misogynistic miscreant who considered himself above the law, and that he used his power, privileged, prestige, and position to - literally - get away with murder. I guess, to you, that's simply one - among many - of his 'failings'. And I'm still not sure why you keep bringing yours, Laura Bush's, or DC Tom's driving record into the discussion - I thought the thread was about Kennedy. I guess your point just too obtuse for me. (I also wasn't aware you had an ex-boyfriend - not that there's anything wrong with that. ) my point is that most of us have less than perfect lives (I don't actually know much about DC Tom, but I'm guessing he isn't claiming to be perfect, any more than Laura Bush or anyone else. There are sins other than driving sins (although the big ones for Ted and Laura seem to be driving ones as far as I know.) I not only don't have a boyfriend, I can assure you that if I were a woman I'd gaurantee that I'd be lesbian.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 You left out his admirable and effective work on getting COBRA legislation passed. Let's not forget the legislation that Bush gets hammered on....NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND.
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I don't actually know much about DC Tom, but I'm guessing he isn't claiming to be perfect, any more than Laura Bush or anyone else. No, I am. Claiming to be, that is. I don't think I'm perfect (especially since I got married), but I see no reason to admit imperfection to you people.
Magox Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 No, I am. Claiming to be, that is. I don't think I'm perfect (especially since I got married), but I see no reason to admit imperfection to you people. oh you're perfect all right, a perfect ______ of _______, _______ that only a mother and wife can love.
The Senator Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 my point is that most of us have less than perfect lives (I don't actually know much about DC Tom, but I'm guessing he isn't claiming to be perfect, any more than Laura Bush or anyone else. There are sins other than driving sins (although the big ones for Ted and Laura seem to be driving ones as far as I know.) I not only don't have a boyfriend, I can assure you that if I were a woman I'd gaurantee that I'd be lesbian. I am relieved to know that. However, I still fail to see what 17-year-old Laura Welch's (she was not a Bush at age 17) being involved in a fatal car accident has to do with this discussion - regardless of whether the other driver was her 'boyfriend, as you allege, or simply a classmate. (Just as it wouldn't make any difference whether Mary Jo Kopechne was actually pregnant by Ted Kennedy, as some allege, or simply one of his many Cape Cod conquests.) Please enlighten me - did Ms. Welch leave the scene of that accident, orchestrate a cover-up, give false testimony, or otherwise withhold evidence? You do admit that Kennedy DID do all those things, yes?
Max Fischer Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 A lack of interest by 99.98% of Americans is why it will not be repealed. So . . . if no one is complaining then Title IX is probably a widely accepted and well crafted law. Thanks for making my point.
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