Max997 Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 Marv Levy used the preseason to evaluate players and going 0-4 , 1-3 meant nothing to him and if you want to be dumb enough to give your regular season opponents more useful game film to study, more power to you. Did belicheat gain much from watching last nights game someone like yourself might ask, no, not in my opinion they didn't because our coaching staff is smart enough not to play a preseason game like they will a regular season game. Marv levy had a veteran team that didnt need the preseason....same cant be said for this group
John from Riverside Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 i dont take much stock in preseason but one thing that really bothered was our OL getting pushed around badly only because this is supposed to be a strength for us this year trent will be ok if he gets protection and we can run the ball
Simon Posted August 23, 2009 Author Posted August 23, 2009 Now just watched the Packers series leading to their second touchdown. Here was the Packer's Gameplan: Schoebel lines up offsides giving them an easy 5 yards Ellison gets a pass interference on a ball that was so poorly thrown the TE would not have had much of a play on it anyway McGee gets cought flat footed on a ball that was underthrown that Driver made a nice adjustment to. The pack runs a basic off tackle run that leads to a score. #1 - Yes, a mistake #2 - attacking Ellison for the 10th time in the game. Gee, what a co-incidence. #3 - Rodgers audibles into a fadestop when he sees McGee with no help over the top. Perfectly executed. #4 - attacking Kelsay/Ellison for the 11th time that night. Gee what a co-incidence. but one thing that really bothered was our OL getting pushed around badly only because this is supposed to be a strength for us this year What on Earth made you think that 5 guys playing wholly different position, 2 of them rookies, was supposed to be a strenght for us this year?
Last Guy on the Bench Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 Simon, what's your take on Nic Harris? Just curious, as you often don't see things the way the crowd sees them. I'm with the crowd on this one. Seems to me like he has really good awareness, is decisive, and hits. I could live with with a few big rookie mistakes along the way if it's in the service of acclimating a guy who seems to know how to make things happen. Would you start him?
Simon Posted August 23, 2009 Author Posted August 23, 2009 I'm with the crowd on this one. Seem to me like he has really good awareness, is decisive, and hits. I could live with with a few big rookie mistakes along the way if it's in the service of acclimating a guy who seems to know how to make things happen. I could have typed the the exact same paragraph. Without hesitation, he'd have been my starter coming out of camp.
Simon Posted August 23, 2009 Author Posted August 23, 2009 What do you suppose Dick and his staff do when they're not game planning? There's nothing good on TV, and Buffalo isn't exactly Las Vegas. Maybe counting backwards from three? BTW this is about the 10th time, so far, they've deleted this very same comment. Somehow, it must violate the TOS. Probably the rule about "NO FUN!". You might want to check your messages, cuz if you keep it up you're leaving.
BuffaloBill Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 #1 - Yes, a mistake#2 - attacking Ellison for the 10th time in the game. Gee, what a co-incidence. #3 - Rodgers audibles into a fadestop when he sees McGee with no help over the top. Perfectly executed. #4 - attacking Kelsay/Ellison for the 11th time that night. Gee what a co-incidence. Your premise in this thread though is that GB looked so much better because they gameplanned. #1 and #3 have nothing to do with a gameplan. #2 and #4 ... if that was the gameplan ...well brilliant ... hope the Bills have a counter to it when the real season starts. BTW Raji owned the Buffalo O-line - now watching the Bills series at the start of the 2Q - Raji just took Hangartner (sp?) for a ride . He did the same with Wood and Butler earlier. Not much gameplanning needed when your rookie NT can take on our o-line at willand make them look stupid. Again hope the Bills find an answer for this. Grnated they were not double teaming him but Lord he looked like a man playing against boys.
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 Your comparison to Levy is pointless. Except for one or maybe two positions in any given year Levy had his starters. So to your point the preseason was a joke for him. If you think the current version of the Bills can afford to take the same approach you deceive yourself. Not only that but when the Bills starters were in pre-season games, particularly on offense, they marched the length of the field at a blistering pace and punched it in for touchdowns.
Billistic Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 What do you suppose Dick and his staff do when they're not game planning? There's nothing good on TV, and Buffalo isn't exactly Las Vegas. Maybe counting backwards from three? BTW this is about the 13th time, so far, they've (some moderator) deleted this very same comment. Somehow, it must violate the TOS. Probably the rule about "NO FUN!". Simon, do you think that nobody sees what you're up to here? BTW, what's the title of your thread, and how is my post off topic? Explain... ...and thanks for the threatening PM.
Simon Posted August 23, 2009 Author Posted August 23, 2009 What do you suppose Dick and his staff do when they're not game planning? There's nothing good on TV, and Buffalo isn't exactly Las Vegas. Maybe counting backwards from three? BTW this is about the 13th time, so far, they've (some moderator) deleted this very same comment. Somehow, it must violate the TOS. Probably the rule about "NO FUN!". Simon, do you think that nobody sees what you're up to here? BTW, what's the title of your thread, and how is my post off topic? Explain... ...and thanks for the threatening PM. What I'm up to? You mean trying to talk about football? On a football board? You'd figure you'd learn after the the first 12 times and two polite warnings. Guess not. Bye....
BillsWatch Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 The sky is falling crowd that has ruled the roost for the last 20 hours is embarrassing itself. Embarrassing but not surprising. Some of them seem to get more joys (see lack of posts after preseason game 2) out of losing then winning.
todd Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 I agree with you 100%. But the Bills did look bad, but for pete's sake it is only a preseason game. People are spastic. You watch what the Pack offense is doing and it becomes obvious that their staff went into this scrimmage with a specific plan to attack the weak points of the Bills defense. Seeing them repeatedly go after same spots in the Buffalo defense over and over again is not a co-incidence.Offensively the Bills look a bit indecisive and at times even a little disinterested. Unfortunately they are going against a very good unit that is not going through the typical preseason motions. The Pack defense is frequently blitzing, stunting and running zonedawgs all over the place. The sky is falling crowd that has ruled the roost for the last 20 hours is embarrassing itself.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 Not only that but when the Bills starters were in pre-season games, particularly on offense, they marched the length of the field at a blistering pace and punched it in for touchdowns. Not sure what Jim kelly and Co. going down the field and punching the ball in has to do with anything, sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't, it had no bearing on what Marv levy was trying to accomplish during preseason which was evaluate players. No game planning or learning how to win football games by blitzing and throwing everything at your opponent except the kitchen sink... Marv Levy could care less at what the scoreboard showed during preseason, but times are changing that much is for sure, at least with some teams it is.
TSNBDSC Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 ... I can't bring myself to watch the game but it does reek of "game planning" ... it does make the other team look really bad ... do the Bills stlll have issues ?, they sure do ... but I don't think they're that bad ... I'll wait to see how they play in the regular season first ...
Simon Posted August 23, 2009 Author Posted August 23, 2009 ... I can't bring myself to watch the game but it does reek of "game planning" ... it does make the other team look really bad ... do the Bills stlll have issues ?, they sure do ... but I don't think they're that bad ... I'll wait to see how they play in the regular season first ... They got knocked around pretty good at times by a better team (a legit SB contender imo). But it wasn't nearly as bad as many are making it out to be. I think watching it might make you realize the reality is less disturbing than the hyperbole.
Booster4324 Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 They got knocked around pretty good at times by a better team (a legit SB contender imo). But it wasn't nearly as bad as many are making it out to be.I think watching it might make you realize the reality is less disturbing than the hyperbole. All I had to go on was that really crappy feed last night. Thanks for the posts, as I respect your opinion and feel a little better now.
zazie Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 They got knocked around pretty good at times by a better team (a legit SB contender imo). But it wasn't nearly as bad as many are making it out to be.I think watching it might make you realize the reality is less disturbing than the hyperbole. They did not manage to game plan once last year either IN THE REGULAR SEASON, against the teams we face 2 times per year. The most disturbing thing was not the game itself it was Trents comments in the aftermath that they had not seen a 3-4 defense in practice or many on the team, at all. Watch the game, yes, maybe it isn't so bad (although BJ Raji's completely effective bull rushes were not GOOD, either). Watch the press conference again, and consider last years 0-6 against the division debacle, and maybe it is time to worry a bit.
Guest dog14787 Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 They got knocked around pretty good at times by a better team (a legit SB contender imo). But it wasn't nearly as bad as many are making it out to be.I think watching it might make you realize the reality is less disturbing than the hyperbole. We may have actually won the game had we not kept turning the ball over. I thought 2nd and even 3rd string/ Hamdan played fairly well in the second half, good rebound for Hamdan.
KOKBILLS Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 All this may be true Simon but coming out listless and lifeless and appearing to be the only Team on the Field who did not Game Plan is not exactly a new phenomenon where the Jauron led Bills are concerned...It's always something... For Me it's not so much about last night as it is about "Here we go again!" I think there's about zero chance this team Wins more than 7 Games any Year under Jauron...It all looks the same to Me...And I think without TO it would be 5 at best...And GOD how I hope I'm wrong... We'll see though...We'll see...
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