The Death Book

[Alaska Darin]

Every day, I see more and more of the Republican outreach to the mental defectives. Feed them lies long enough and you can make them believe whatever you want them to believe. All in the name of partisan politics.

Who are you kidding? Are you actually dumb enough to think only Republicans reach out to mental defectives? [/irony]

[DC Tom]

Every day, I see more and more of the Republican outreach to the mental defectives.

 

 

Get a lot of calls from them, do you?

[Live&DieBillsFootball]

Who are you kidding? Are you actually dumb enough to think only Republicans reach out to mental defectives? [/irony]

 

No, but the Republicans seem to be doing a better job of it lately. Here's a couple of examples:

 

Senior citizens at town Hall meetings saying stuff like "Keep your government hands off my Medicare." or "'I don't want government-run health care, I don't want socialized medicine, and don't touch my Medicare."

 

Something tells me these folks may need better mental health coverage.

 

Or the people against the intrusion of government health care who fail to realize that the US government currently pays more medical bills annually than private insurance companies. If you're just now railing against socialized medicine, you're a little late to the party.

 

Or dare I mention the Birther idiots. I loved this article:

 

"Raleigh-based Public Policy Polling recently surveyed 749 North Carolinians about whether or not they believe Barack Obama was born in the United States. The results were quite shocking — and no, I'm talking about the matter that only 54% believe the president is a natural born citizen. Nope.

 

What's a real head scratcher is that 5% don't believe Hawaii is a state and that 3% are unsure."

[IDBillzFan]

...or "'I don't want government-run health care

So I want to make sure we're all clear here: you claim the people yelling "I don't want government-run health care" are wackos, however, the public option would be, by its definition, government-run health care. Can you please explain to us where that is not the case? I mean, it's funded by taxpayer money and it's managed by the government, so please feel free to jump in and refute that when you get a chance, mmmmkay?

 

Are you in favor of the government-run public option as it's laid out in HR3200? When the president and Barney Frank admit, both on the record, that what they really want is single-payer care (or socialized health care), and that the best way to get there is to start with the public option, are you disagreeing with these direct quotes? Do you somehow know something that either the current idiots in DC are unable to explain, or that the public doesn't completely understand?

 

Do yourself a favor and stop. Take a breath. Look around. Really read what is going on, and THEN you let me know if you really think that scared senior citizens are the wackos you and Obama think they are.

 

For the love of all that is holy...please try to think for yourself and see what is going on. Especially when the ONLY answer the left has for moving forward with a plan that has no real plan is that to do nothing would be worse.

 

South Carolina is reeling from the economic recession and a 12-percent unemployment rate. About 700,000 of the state's residents are uninsured, and Democratic leaders here say no health-care reform would come at too great a price.

 

"What will it cost South Carolina families to do nothing?" Rep. James E. Clyburn, the No. 3 House Democrat, said in an interview Monday. "This plan would help make things better. Doing nothing, things will get worse."

 

Here's a thought, Clyburn: first, fix the goddamn problem and stop using a side-effect as a reason to take control of health care. Next, tell us what the cost of doing nothing will be, then tell us what the cost will be to shove through a public option that will cost a trillion dollars, on top of the 3/4 of a trillion we just spent as a downpayment, as it relates to your bullschhitt fairytale crisis-of the moment.

 

Jesus. Wake up, would you?

[The Dean]

So I want to make sure we're all clear here: you claim the people yelling "I don't want government-run health care" are wackos

 

 

Seriously, are you even trying to engage in honest discourse?

 

Way to completely change the meaning of his post. People on MEDICAID are yelling this. They want the gov't to keep its hands off of their Medicaid.

 

Got it?

[Alaska Darin]

No, but the Republicans seem to be doing a better job of it lately. Here's a couple of examples:

 

Senior citizens at town Hall meetings saying stuff like "Keep your government hands off my Medicare." or "'I don't want government-run health care, I don't want socialized medicine, and don't touch my Medicare."

 

Something tells me these folks may need better mental health coverage.

 

Or the people against the intrusion of government health care who fail to realize that the US government currently pays more medical bills annually than private insurance companies. If you're just now railing against socialized medicine, you're a little late to the party.

 

Or dare I mention the Birther idiots. I loved this article:

 

"Raleigh-based Public Policy Polling recently surveyed 749 North Carolinians about whether or not they believe Barack Obama was born in the United States. The results were quite shocking — and no, I'm talking about the matter that only 54% believe the president is a natural born citizen. Nope.

 

What's a real head scratcher is that 5% don't believe Hawaii is a state and that 3% are unsure."

Uh, welcome to what happens when the Dummycrats are in power? Do you not remember Cindy Sheehan, the "Bush was AWOL" crap, the "Privatizing our Social Security" arguments, etc? This is all exactly the same crap we were being fed by the mass media during the previous administration, only the tards happen to be from the other side.

 

The Republicans and Democrats count on their tard base, even more so when they're out of power because it gets them headlines and headlines eventually mean turnout.

[IDBillzFan]

Seriously, are you even trying to engage in honest discourse?

 

Way to completely change the meaning of his post. People on MEDICAID are yelling this. They want the gov't to keep its hands off of their Medicaid.

 

Got it?

Yes, I see what he was saying. What he was saying is that bundling a couple of people's comments as proof that every protester is a mentally deranged wacko is stuck somewhere between comments from Stretch Pelosi and Jeneane Garafolo.

 

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[The Dean]

Yes, I see what he was saying. What he was saying is that bundling a couple of people's comments as proof that every protester is a mentally deranged wacko is stuck somewhere between comments from Stretch Pelosi and Jeneane Garafolo.

 

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

 

No, I don't think he tried to use it as proof for anything about "every protester". Once again, that manipulation is on you, continually and intentionally misinterpreting the argument of someone you disagree with.

[Magox]

"'I don't want government-run health care, I don't want socialized medicine, and don't touch my Medicare."

I would hope that this is what people would say.

[IDBillzFan]

No, I don't think he tried to use it as proof for anything about "every protester". Once again, that manipulation is on you, continually and intentionally misinterpreting the argument of someone you disagree with.

Thanks, Dean. I appreciate your taking the time to give yet another meanlingless opinion. Though I'm not sure why you're in here picking on me. I figured you'd be somewhere else trying to explain to the world how a guy who murders his wife, shoves her in a suitcase, dumps her a trash bin and then drives to Canada to hang himself is simply the victim of a system that left him no other choice.

[Kelly the Dog]

I would hope that this is what people would say.

 

Because they're ignorant of the fact that their Medicare is government run (sorta) socialism?

[Magox]

Because they're ignorant of the fact that their Medicare is government run (sorta) socialism?

not to rehash this in detail, but once you have an entitlement program this big, it is almost impossible to take it away from people, specially considering it deals with people's health.

 

So once again,

 

I would hope that people would say "'I don't want government-run health care, I don't want socialized medicine, and don't touch my Medicare."

 

Mainly the bolded part

[Kelly the Dog]

not to rehash this in detail, but once you have an entitlement program this big, it is almost impossible to take it away from people, specially considering it deals with people's health.

 

So once again,

 

I would hope that people would say "'I don't want government-run health care, I don't want socialized medicine, and don't touch my Medicare."

 

Mainly the bolded part

 

You mean you can't take it away from them because they like and need it so much?

[Gene Frenkle]

You mean you can't take it away from them because they like and need it so much?

Medicare is different because there's not a black president trying to push it though.

[Magox]

You mean you can't take it away from them because they like and need it so much?

short answer yes.

 

To better understand this Dog, we have to understand the word entitlement.

 

You have heard the saying "Sense of Entitlement"

 

you do know what this means right?

 

I like these examples provided here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...+of+entitlement

 

In short Dog, once someone is receiving enormous benefits, and they feel entitled to them, you just can't cut it out at the drop of a hat.

 

In regards to people liking it. No sh-- that they do, they are receiving more in benefits than what they have contributed to Medicare. Why the !@#$ do you think it is going bankrupt

[Kelly the Dog]

short answer yes.

 

To better understand this Dog, we have to understand the word entitlement.

 

You have heard the saying "Sense of Entitlement"

 

you do know what this means right?

 

I like these examples provided here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...+of+entitlement

 

In short Dog, once someone is receiving enormous benefits, and they feel entitled to them, you just can't cut it out at the drop of a hat.

 

In regards to people liking it. No sh-- that they do, they are receiving more in benefits than what they have contributed to Medicare. Why the !@#$ do you think it is going bankrupt

It's going bankrupt for the same reason that private insurance is on a completely unsustainable path, because health care costs have annually risen 3 percentage points higher than economic growth for the last 40 years -- combined with now the baby boomers are retiring.

[Magox]

It's going bankrupt for the same reason that private insurance is on a completely unsustainable path, because health care costs have annually risen 3 percentage points higher than economic growth for the last 40 years -- combined with now the baby boomers are retiring.

Oh the Irony...

 

Read what you just wrote and let it sink in.

[Kelly the Dog]

Oh the Irony...

 

Read what you just wrote and let it sink in.

 

That the private health care industry can't control itself and is bankrupting the country?

[blzrul]

Someone in the industry sent this...written by someone in the industry.

 

What Is Really Scaring Americans About Advance Directives?

 

Cheryl Clark, for HealthLeaders Media, August 19, 2009

 

Is anyone else having trouble understanding why so many people seem so angry or at least nervous about "advance directives" provisions in the Energy and Commerce Committee's health reform proposal?

 

I read all 11 pages in section 1233 of "America's Affordable Health Choices Act," as well as all four pages of the amendment by Rep. Mike Ross of Arkansas.

 

Nowhere did I see anything about "killing Grandma," "euthanasia seeking death squads" or any mention of governments forcing beneficiaries to specify how they want to die. Nothing even comes close.

 

What is Sarah Palin talking about?

 

In fact, there it is in black and white: just the opposite. A qualified health benefit plan shall present "the option to establish advance directives and physician's orders for life sustaining treatment according to the laws of the State in which the individual resides."

 

It "shall not promote suicide, assisted suicide or the active hastening of death." Nor shall it "presume the withdrawal of treatment and shall include end-of-life planning information that includes options to maintain all or most medical interventions."

 

The language says in several different places that the advance directive process is entirely voluntary.

 

What I read was a reasonable effort to carve a way to encourage discussions about the end of life, so patients and their loved ones can have a cogent, calm conversation. In this way, they can express their wishes, fears and expectations, and do so long before the incapacities and indignities of the death process take that opportunity away.

 

The proposal would pay physicians a designated fee to launch these conversations, something that they don't get now. When they give such counsel or facilitate such discussions between family members and loved ones, they now do it for free, and therefore taking the necessary time may not be something that's high on their list of priorities. This would make it easier.

 

So I don't understand why so many Americans are so angry. Or why 50,000 to 60,000 AARP seniors angrily cancelled their memberships in AARP in the mistaken belief that the association favors a health reform bill that includes such death squads.

 

AARP spokesman Jordan McNerney acknowledged the extent of the outcry and what he called a disappointing number of resignations, and blamed it on "scare tactics on the part of opponents of health reform and people with a financial stake in keeping the system broken." The AARP is doing its best to dispel the myths with an ad campaign circulating in local media across the country, he says. And he thinks people will start seeing the truth.

 

But until they do, it seems to me that seniors especially would want to have a system in which their doctors are incentivized to help them have a frank conversation with their families and loved ones about their end of life care.

 

I certainly want my wishes known about how aggressively I would want to be treated if I could no longer walk, talk, think clearly or feed myself. Would I want to be kept alive if the choices were between being kept in a drug-induced delirium or having out-of-control pain? Absolutely not.

[The Dean]

Thanks, Dean. I appreciate your taking the time to give yet another meanlingless opinion. Though I'm not sure why you're in here picking on me. I figured you'd be somewhere else trying to explain to the world how a guy who murders his wife, shoves her in a suitcase, dumps her a trash bin and then drives to Canada to hang himself is simply the victim of a system that left him no other choice.

 

 

 

Yet another over-the-top response, seemingly constructed to incite emotions, instead of rational thought.

 

Well done. You could be a Fox News flack if your current gig ever goes south.