BillsNYC Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...0107981718.html You can bet this is going to become talked about over the next few days, started hearing about this yesterday and is being compared to the "Death Panels." Created in Clinton years, Bush killed this last year, and Obama brought it back last month and is being given to all VA patients, not just the elderly or terminally ill. Imagine a kid coming home from Iraq missing a leg and reading this. Here is a link to the actual booklet www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...0107981718.html You can bet this is going to become talked about over the next few days, started hearing about this yesterday and is being compared to the "Death Panels." Created in Clinton years, Bush killed this last year, and Obama brought it back last month and is being given to all VA patients, not just the elderly or terminally ill. Imagine a kid coming home from Iraq missing a leg and reading this. Here is a link to the actual booklet www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf A kid coming home from Iraq missing a leg is probably not going to be shocked by a booklet suggesting he's going to die someday and might consider establishing a living will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 A kid coming home from Iraq missing a leg is probably not going to be shocked by a booklet suggesting he's going to die someday and might consider establishing a living will. But we should guilt him into "being a financial burden on his family" anyways, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 But we should guilt him into "being a financial burden on his family" anyways, huh? Didn't actually look at the booklet, did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 Didn't actually look at the booklet, did you? Yup, actually did, and see no reason for a quiz about whether life is worth living, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Put a sock in it you doofus. I went for my annual physical exam and there right at the "checkout" was a pile of living wills and other stuff about dying. Dying is the one thing in life we can all be sure of. It's awful funny that people who tell others to "change the channel if you don't like it" get up in arms about a brochure that may actually be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 Put a sock in it you doofus. Right out of the liberal playbook we've seen this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Right out of the liberal playbook we've seen this month. to a tee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 to a tee You dining room tables are all the same. Change the channel if you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You dining room tables are all the same. Change the channel if you don't like it. do you have anything creative to say? I guess you got that from the Liberal Locotoad handbook in chapter 3 snazzy vitriol deflections authored by Barney Frank. Trying forming an original thought mmmkay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 do you have anything creative to say? I guess you got that from the Liberal Locotoad handbook in chapter 3 snazzy vitriol deflections authored by Barney Frank. Trying forming an original thought mmmkay Plus, if she was paying attention, she would know that Frank's "dining room table" comment was directed at a LaRouche backer. Not that one would expect her to get that, but I give her credit for finally completing a sentence that for once didn't include the words "Cheney," "Palin" and "sucks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Yup, actually did, and see no reason for a quiz about whether life is worth living, do you? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastback Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Put a sock in it you doofus. I went for my annual physical exam and there right at the "checkout" was a pile of living wills and other stuff about dying. Dying is the one thing in life we can all be sure of. It's awful funny that people who tell others to "change the channel if you don't like it" get up in arms about a brochure that may actually be helpful. Were they able to remove the stick from your azz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Were they able to remove the stick from your azz? Declared inoperable. Too close to her brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 So when you wingnuts are done with your personal attacks perhaps you can enlighten us all as to why knowing about options and and alternatives that may help make final days easier for patient AND their loved ones is such a bad thing? Why are you all so afraid? Wingnuts are cowards. There's just no other conclusion. You're afraid of evildoers. You're afraid of government. You're afraid of people who are different from you. You're afraid of departure from the status quo. You're just chickens. Thank goodness our forefathers weren't wingnuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 So when you wingnuts are done with your personal attacks You're a piece of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 i think what the issue at hand is, and this is strictly my take, granted the language is heavily skewed in the anti-healthcare stance as it is today....the language in this pamphlet can lead someone who is currently in a vulnerable but far from terminal situation to make an emotional decision that at that particular point in time is not necessary. someone who has just lost their legs could see that literature that mentions becoming a burden on their families....at that exact moment when they are most vulnerable, they could make a decision that simply is not necessary....probably not doing a great job of explaining it....but i hope you get the gist of my take on why people are concerned..... So when you wingnuts are done with your personal attacks perhaps you can enlighten us all as to why knowing about options and and alternatives that may help make final days easier for patient AND their loved ones is such a bad thing? Why are you all so afraid? Wingnuts are cowards. There's just no other conclusion. You're afraid of evildoers. You're afraid of government. You're afraid of people who are different from you. You're afraid of departure from the status quo. You're just chickens. Thank goodness our forefathers weren't wingnuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...0107981718.html You can bet this is going to become talked about over the next few days, started hearing about this yesterday and is being compared to the "Death Panels." Created in Clinton years, Bush killed this last year, and Obama brought it back last month and is being given to all VA patients, not just the elderly or terminally ill. Imagine a kid coming home from Iraq missing a leg and reading this. Here is a link to the actual booklet www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf Typical right wing bull sh--. First of all, the article you linked to is form the OPINION section. You could have just linked to Palin's twitters on the same subject. Educating people on living wills is something that has been advocated by Newt and lots of other Repugs before they were against it. It says nothing about anyone other than the individual or their trustee to decide on end-of-life issues for someone terminally ill. I don't see Death Panels in it, nor do I see anything advocating suicide for those who may feel like a burden to their family. Just more idiotic nonsense from the same people who brought you the Birthers movement. Every day, I see more and more of the Republican outreach to the mental defectives. Feed them lies long enough and you can make them believe whatever you want them to believe. All in the name of partisan politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Every day, I see more and more of the Republican outreach to the mental defectives. Feed them lies long enough and you can make them believe whatever you want them to believe. All in the name of partisan politics. As is proven by Arlan Specter calling for hearings about the document. Asked about the document, Specter, a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, said it raises "a lot of questions" and that he would call for hearings immediately. "I think consideration ought to be given right now to suspending it pending hearings," Specter, D-Pa., told "FOX News Sunday." Oh, wait. Specter isn't a Republican any more. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Every day, I see more and more of the Republican outreach to the mental defectives. Feed them lies long enough and you can make them believe whatever you want them to believe. All in the name of partisan politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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