Maybin Update

[BillsGuyInMalta]

It is not lack of faith but an overabundance of creepiness which concerns me. From where exactly, I am afraid to ask, do these tingles originate?

 

I am thinking of buying some UPS stock, do a bro a solid and take a look at that and let me know if you get a tingle.

...I'd rather not talk about my tingling in public. But you can read all about it in my latest book "BGIOP's Tingles: A Tale Of The New Generation, Volume 1". Check for it on Amazon and Borders. Macaulay Culkin writes the foreword.

 

And as for the UPS stock...I'm only getting half a tingle, so either don't fully commit or invest in FedEx to cover all of your bases.

[thebandit27]

Well, I wouldn't completely put it past the Bills to low-ball the offer (that is, take the extreme low end of the possible slotted range) in this instance.

 

Remember, it was Maybin's camp that said they wouldn't wait for Crabtree. But if the Bills are stuck on $24/$14 guaranteed (which is the extreme low end on the slotted salary structure for that spot) the Maybin camp figures it has to wait for Crabtree.

 

Now, I'm not suggesting that is true, either. I'm simply saying we don't really know the facts here, and I wouldn't put it past the Bills to try to get out of this as cheaply as possible.

 

From my point of view, if I'm Maybin (or any highly prized athlete) and my agent can't get this done in this time frame (but manages to get a deal done for Michaek Vick in the meantime), I switch agents. I go to a well known, first class alternative agent, and tell him, "get this done by the end of the week". But that's easy for me to say.

 

The problem with that scenario, Dean, is that it guarantees him another week without reporting, as a player (according to NFLPA rules) cannot sign with another agent for 5 calendar days after firing an existing agent. So if Maybin fired Segal today, tomorrow would be day 1 of agent-less-ness. That puts him with a new agent no earlier than Aug. 24th. Realistically, the new agent could get a deal done by the 25th, and Maybin would be with the team on the 26th, which makes it another full week. Not likely he'd play in pre-season game #4 at that point, so now he's got one garbage game under his belt before the season opener at NE on MNF...not a good scenario at all IMO.

[stuckincincy]

The problem with that scenario, Dean, is that it guarantees him another week without reporting, as a player (according to NFLPA rules) cannot sign with another agent for 5 calendar days after firing an existing agent. So if Maybin fired Segal today, tomorrow would be day 1 of agent-less-ness. That puts him with a new agent no earlier than Aug. 24th. Realistically, the new agent could get a deal done by the 25th, and Maybin would be with the team on the 26th, which makes it another full week. Not likely he'd play in pre-season game #4 at that point, so now he's got one garbage game under his belt before the season opener at NE on MNF...not a good scenario at all IMO.

 

Good info. That happened with CIN and #6 pick Smith. Moot now, of course.

[wonderbread]

I think it is partially Eugene Parker f'ing with us again. He is Mrs. Crabtree's agent and I have to believe he is getting a kick out of the fact that he has some power over the front office that said F'off to him and his fat ass client Jason last year.

 

 

Yeah right. He's probably mad the Buffalo traded him to Philly and JP got a 60 million dollar contract. Which he probably cleared 10-15 percent. He's probably fuming.

[thebandit27]

I doubt any team really cares about Maybin not being signed at this point. I'm sure they have their own issues. You make it sound like this is the 1st holdout in league history.

 

I wasn't implying that the rest of the league is sitting around watching this thing unfold, but admit it: in your line of work, don't you laugh at the competition when they can't do something that 90% of the enterprises in your business have little-to-no problems doing?

 

I also didn't mean to imply that it was the first holdout in league history. Usually, holdouts that last this long are with guys like Philip Rivers (whom the Giants selected at No. 4 but San Diego had to pay like the No. 1 overall pick). It is very uncommon, to say the least, for a guy that practically nobody believed would be selected in the top 15 picks (not to criticize the pick itself on a player-value basis, nobody knows enough to do that right now) to hold out on the simple premise that "the dude in front of me didn't sign yet".

[BuffaloBaumer]

Assume this guy is not even on the team and it will be a lot easier.

[2003Contenders]

I wasn't implying that the rest of the league is sitting around watching this thing unfold, but admit it: in your line of work, don't you laugh at the competition when they can't do something that 90% of the enterprises in your business have little-to-no problems doing?

 

I also didn't mean to imply that it was the first holdout in league history. Usually, holdouts that last this long are with guys like Philip Rivers (whom the Giants selected at No. 4 but San Diego had to pay like the No. 1 overall pick). It is very uncommon, to say the least, for a guy that practically nobody believed would be selected in the top 15 picks (not to criticize the pick itself on a player-value basis, nobody knows enough to do that right now) to hold out on the simple premise that "the dude in front of me didn't sign yet".

 

Trust me, the other teams in the league are very interested in what happens with these negotiations -- and even more so with the Crabtree negotiaions. If either team caves and pays the player more than their slotted value, it could have a rippling effect. If the 49ers cave -- but the Bills remain steadfast and insist that Crabtree's situation bears no relevance to Maybin's situation (which is probably what they are telling Maybin's camp NOW), then Ralph will be lauded as a hero around the league. Al Davis is the one who really messed all this up by reaching for -- and then overpaying Heyward-Bey. Still, Crabtree needs to understand that he was drafted 10th for a reason -- and part of it may have to do with the reputation of his agent. If they can just split the difference between the 9th pick and the 12th pick, Maybin still comes out ahead as his value will be closer to the higher drafted position than the lower drafted position (from a slotting standpoint).

[flmike]

I have to agree with those who say let him wait all he wants. I don't see a Superbowl team this year and if we overpay then we are stuck with dead money for a borderline player. Not a good pick to begin with. Someone please clean this house...

[Dante]

Situations like this make up the foundation of what will eventually be me saying FU to the NFL. On its own no, but certainly makes you resent the players, agents and the process. It all just leaves a negative taste.

[Thoner7]

Hypothetically, what do you guys think we could trade the rights for Maybin for? If its a second rounder to a bad team Id say take it. Call me crazy, but I never liked the pick, I dont like it now, I predict he will bust, and Ralph can save some coin. I would have no problem with Maybin never playing a down in a Bills uni.

[Bufcomments]

What continually frustrates me is the most important thing that any pay should be based on is performance. Shouldn't be based on what others have got because there is no history to base it on Especially when you are talking these kinda bucks. What other business can afford to pay these kind of wages blindly? A league that charged $200 a year to watch on tv that what kind. Fuggin guys should get league minimum for a year until they prove what they can do. Ridiculous. Their lucky they have the privilege of having the opportunity to play in a elite professional league.

I am frustrated by the process too...

The NBA has it right .....they have a rookie scale

 

The NFLPA understands that your average NFL career is short, and there is so much money to be made it ridiculous. So its understandable that the agents are trying to get the players all the money they can get.

 

But at the same time if you are being just plain greedy it makes the player look real bad . And if Maybin really whats to play and help the team out whats the difference between say 20 mill and 24 mill. Your still mega rich for Gods sake.

 

Its time they change the way they pay these guys as rookies

[Simon]

whats the difference between say 20 mill and 24 mill.

About 4 million dollars.

 

But I'm sure you'd gladly give up 4 million dollars to make some strangers happy.

[mrags]

Yeah, because negotiating publicly always works. Why get a deal done behind closed doors when you can drag the fans and the press into it all so that everyone will either hate the front office or hate Maybin? Why not blast Maybin publicly thereby making damn sure he leaves the team for a friendlier, classier operation when that first contract expires? There is a reason teams do not do this, ever. Either the people who actually do this for a living know better or some reactionary, anonymous moron who calls himself a crayon eater knows better. Hmmm...which side to choose?

 

I have commented that I "love" the idea, which might be a bit of an exageration. Maybe I just like it. Regardless, I feel that we are at a very tough spot in this contract dispute and see no end in sight. It seems that both sides are at a stand still and are not talking. That doesnt look good. Maybe Im just thinking I want to publicly announce the deal so that it shows that Maybin is the one who is being greedy(im completely assuming and base my assumption on past experiences that have shown that the Bills have had no issues getting their 1st rounders in on time or close to it) and would hear confirmation from around the league that he is expecting too much. Or maybe it would show that the Bills are being cheap. I was one of the people that thought Maybin was a good pick and I still do. But this is getting a little rediculous. Even if Crabtree signs for Hayward-Bey money that technically shouldnt affect Maybin at all. Oh sure Maybin might think it should, but then the Bills can just say that they will slot him based on the Raji and Moreno contracts and toss Crabtrees right out the window because it does not fit with the slotting system. At that point were right back where we are now. Maybin waiting for more money to be offered and the Bills not offering it.

[mrags]

About 4 million dollars.

 

But I'm sure you'd gladly give up 4 million dollars to make some strangers happy.

 

$4 million is a ton of money. But for what this guy is going to make in his life it doesnt amount to that much. Assuming he is in the league past this contract. But you still have $20million that you never had before. I look at in 2 different ways. If someone was telling you they were gonna give you $20million would you tell them no way you want another 4 or dont bother? Or, to be more scale with my pay. If I had $20.00 in my pocket am I really that pissed about spending $4.00 on a burger at McDonalds? Im just an idiot that compares apples to oranges here but it makes sense to me.

[BillsVet]

Situations like this make up the foundation of what will eventually be me saying FU to the NFL. On its own no, but certainly makes you resent the players, agents and the process. It all just leaves a negative taste.

 

Wait until the league has a player strike/lockout after the 2011 season when De Smith and the owners can't agree on a new CBA. Ultimately it's the fan who's left out in the cold who pays the PSL's, higher ticket prices. The league just assumes it'll never end, but situations like Crabtree make it hard for the blue collar fan to identify.

 

It's a free country at the end of the day (well, as of this writing) and Maybin is allowed to get all he can. But he's playing a dangerous game and not endearing himself to the fans. That leaves a lot of work to do when he eventually signs.

[VJ91]

Other than Maybin, the only two remaining players are Andre Smith and Crabtree. At this point, Maybin should have all the data points necessary to sign considering Raji was at 9 (5y/28.5mm) and Orakpo at 13 (5y/20mm) are comparable positions. His contract should come in at 5y/24.5mm. The fact that he is waiting for Crabtree is rediculous. Crabtree has all-star agent Eugene Parker who ruins players reputations as he lacks capable negotiating skills.

 

Correct. The numbers don't lie. This hold out is stupid on many levels. First and foremost, is the fact that the player himself is not vital to the Bills' success this season. Secondly, Ralph Wilson and the Circle Jerks are not swayed by greedy moronic agents. Thirdly, even if Crabtree gets "number 5-pick money", what universe does Joel Segal live in thinking that Ralph and the Jerks would offer "number-6 pick money" to their number 11 pick Aaron Maybin?? And as far as that Crabtree insanity, if I were the 49ers, I would let him sit out the entire season and let him go back into the draft next year before I paid him a penny more then where he is slotted as the number 10 choice.

 

If Segal and Maybin plan on earning any money this season from the Buffalo Bills, they will have to finally realize that it will be the perfectly slotted 5 years for 25 Million, with about 15 Million guaranteed. They can sign for it today, or they can wait around another 4 weeks if they like, but that will be the contract amount, no matter what they are thinking.

[Mr. WEO]

In a negotiation, each side "gives up" something. In this case Maybin would be "giving up" 4 million to GET 20 million.

 

You must realize that he's not giving up anything because he has nothing.

 

Everyone will be cheering Maybin lustily as soon as he lays hands on an opposing QB.

[Captain Caveman]

$4 million is a ton of money. But for what this guy is going to make in his life it doesnt amount to that much. Assuming he is in the league past this contract. But you still have $20million that you never had before. I look at in 2 different ways. If someone was telling you they were gonna give you $20million would you tell them no way you want another 4 or dont bother? Or, to be more scale with my pay. If I had $20.00 in my pocket am I really that pissed about spending $4.00 on a burger at McDonalds? Im just an idiot that compares apples to oranges here but it makes sense to me.

 

The fact that you're comparing $4 to $4 million is ridiculous. Ri-dic-u-lous.

[Dante]

I am frustrated by the process too...

The NBA has it right .....they have a rookie scale

 

The NFLPA understands that your average NFL career is short, and there is so much money to be made it ridiculous. So its understandable that the agents are trying to get the players all the money they can get.

 

But at the same time if you are being just plain greedy it makes the player look real bad . And if Maybin really whats to play and help the team out whats the difference between say 20 mill and 24 mill. Your still mega rich for Gods sake.

 

Its time they change the way they pay these guys as rookies

I'm not familiar with the NBA system but if they have limits that has to be a good thing. Another major issue is the ripple effect that these contracts have to cause. If I'm a quality 3rd or 4th year guy(with a contract about to expire) and I see what money unproven noobs are worth, what am I worth?? Tosses the entire scale out of whack. I have no history to back this up but it has to happen that way no?

The other thing is what is a guy like Crabtree doing to his career? Listening to the NFL guys on Sirius this morning and they were saying both Singletary and the OC at SF are not exactly fond of or have patience for rookies. Holding out for big bucks, being a rookie and making way more than the coaching staff could ever dream of making can't be a great recipe for a cordial , learning relationship.

[Simon]

$4 million is a ton of money. But for what this guy is going to make in his life it doesnt amount to that much. Assuming he is in the league past this contract. But you still have $20million that you never had before. I look at in 2 different ways. If someone was telling you they were gonna give you $20million would you tell them no way you want another 4 or dont bother? Or, to be more scale with my pay. If I had $20.00 in my pocket am I really that pissed about spending $4.00 on a burger at McDonalds? Im just an idiot that compares apples to oranges here but it makes sense to me.

 

I look at it as 4 million dollars is 4 million dollars, regardless of how much money you're making.

Maybe it's a couple vacation homes you'll enjoy for the rest of your life.

Maybe it's seed money for a charitable foundation you want to start.

Maybe it's a get out of jail free card,

Whatever it is, it's still 4 million dollars and no exterior factors can change that.

 

I'm also somewhat annoyed by this unnecessary delay and I agree that both sides look like incompetent asshats because of it. But a deal will get done eventually so there's little point in getting so worked up about it (not referring to you).

I just think the idea of p-shawing 4 million dollars is crazy talk.