BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Should've thought about it before they drafted him. No doubt. I didn't want anything to do with him on draft day, but what do I know?
macaroni Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 IMHO ...... A players "value" the day he is drafted should be able to be estimated by what the draft position paid last year plus or minus an inflation factor giving quite a bit of room for negotiations. As time passes his "value" can go up or down depending on the contracts being signed around him .... still giving room for negotiations. But there HAS to come a time when his "value" to the team starts to decrease purely from the fact of his contribution to the upcoming season will be diminished. I guess what I'm trying to say is ....... is this the time when OBD says to A.M. "OK here is our offer, it's good for one week, next week it will decrease by X amount every week until the season starts ..... when the season starts we have more important things to worry about than signing a rookie and we will offer a significantly reduced contract, if you'd rather not play for the Bills we understand, and you can sit and rot until 12:00 the night before next years draft and take you chances."
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 No doubt. I didn't want anything to do with him on draft day, but what do I know? In all fairness it is one thing to like or dislike his level of talent but I don't remember you or anyone else saying he was a greedy malcontent. I hope if he ever plays for the Bills he does well, but if he fails he can always just blame it on Crabtree.
jwws9999 Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 IMHO ...... A players "value" the day he is drafted should be able to be estimated by what the draft position paid last year plus or minus an inflation factor giving quite a bit of room for negotiations. As time passes his "value" can go up or down depending on the contracts being signed around him .... still giving room for negotiations. But there HAS to come a time when his "value" to the team starts to decrease purely from the fact of his contribution to the upcoming season will be diminished. I guess what I'm trying to say is ....... is this the time when OBD says to A.M. "OK here is our offer, it's good for one week, next week it will decrease by X amount every week until the season starts ..... when the season starts we have more important things to worry about than signing a rookie and we will offer a significantly reduced contract, if you'd rather not play for the Bills we understand, and you can sit and rot until 12:00 the night before next years draft and take you chances." the rookies payscale is slotted, and should be easy to calcualate an offer. The FO is probably trying to lowball the kid. next year they should just trade down from the top 10 pick they'll probably have (they are usually crappy picks by the bills anyways)
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Don't make me go back and look these things up but 1. On draft day I said that Maybin was picked at least 9 spots ahead of where he should have gone and DEAN LAUGHED. 2. Dean has been saying that Maybin will be signed "any day now" FOR THREE WEEKS. Perhaps someone isn't as smart as he thinks he is.
macaroni Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 the rookies payscale is slotted, and should be easy to calcualate an offer. The FO is probably trying to lowball the kid. next year they should just trade down from the top 10 pick they'll probably have (they are usually crappy picks by the bills anyways) And what makes you say the Bills are "low balling" the kid???
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 In all fairness it is one thing to like or dislike his level of talent but I don't remember you or anyone else saying he was a greedy malcontent. I hope if he ever plays for the Bills he does well, but if he fails he can always just blame it on Crabtree. There was no way to know that we were drafting a holdout, but Orakpo would have been here, which is nice.
Peter Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Weren't there rumors that he did not do anything in the OTA's to dispel the doubts that some had before the draft. At this point, this is hurting himself more than the Bills. By the time he gets in (if he ever signs), he will be so far behind, he will never be able to reach the potential that he had for this year. Does anyone know what the Bills are offering him? If it is around the midpoint of what Raji and Orapko got, the kid needs to get his but in camp.
BillsVet Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 If Maybin is that desperate to get on the field, he should have the audacity to tell his agent to get something done. If it's anywhere near what the 12th pick received of course. Most irritating here is that 29 first rounders, save for true malcontents Andre Smith and Michael Crabtree, have signed their rookie deal. I won't read too much into what Posluszny said, but they do need him on the field. I'd love to blame the team, but they've been drafting in the 8th-12th spot for years now. They've worked out deals with Whitner, Lynch, and McKelvin. Why is Maybin any different?
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 IMHO ...... A players "value" the day he is drafted should be able to be estimated by what the draft position paid last year plus or minus an inflation factor giving quite a bit of room for negotiations. As time passes his "value" can go up or down depending on the contracts being signed around him .... still giving room for negotiations. But there HAS to come a time when his "value" to the team starts to decrease purely from the fact of his contribution to the upcoming season will be diminished. I guess what I'm trying to say is ....... is this the time when OBD says to A.M. "OK here is our offer, it's good for one week, next week it will decrease by X amount every week until the season starts ..... when the season starts we have more important things to worry about than signing a rookie and we will offer a significantly reduced contract, if you'd rather not play for the Bills we understand, and you can sit and rot until 12:00 the night before next years draft and take you chances." That is exactly what should be done and the process should have either already begun or it should begin VERY soon. The only thing I would add is that the Bills should break with tradition and announce their offer and the decreasing terms publicly. They should explain their position and allow their fans to understand. They should invite Maybin to state his position as well. This would squelch any complaints because any position Maybin might have would be clearly seen as ridiculous as he tried to tie himself to an injured but top flight talent. This strategy would put more pressure on Maybin as other teams would see him for what he is, and be less likely to draft him next year. He could get the number 11 money he deserves this year or sit for a year and get the number 42 money he would deserve by then. If the Bills are currently offering him #15 money, they would be rightly seen as the villian. Of course, they are not so this won't happen. Going public forces Maybin's hand.
AF88Bills Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 A.M needs to quit talking and get into work ASAP. Enough is enough. Say accepts an offer he feels is is a little low, and then out-performs that offer, then there's always an opportunity to improve the contract. It's ridiculous that they're hanging on to the Crabtree situation hoping he strikes gold. Meanwhile his value is dropping and Chris ellis is kicking @ss with all the extra reps he's getting.
The Dean Posted August 19, 2009 Author Posted August 19, 2009 Don't make me go back and look these things up but 1. On draft day I said that Maybin was picked at least 9 spots ahead of where he should have gone and DEAN LAUGHED. Because you were wrong. He would have gone soon after, had the Bills passed. 2. Dean has been saying that Maybin will be signed "any day now" FOR THREE WEEKS. And I was wrong. Perhaps someone isn't as smart as he thinks he is. Perhaps. I pass along what I hear, and expect. You think know the value of draft picks better than the FO of NFL teams. Good for you! Seems like you are the one pimping his intelligence here.
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 the rookies payscale is slotted, and should be easy to calcualate an offer. The FO is probably trying to lowball the kid. next year they should just trade down from the top 10 pick they'll probably have (they are usually crappy picks by the bills anyways) Please ignore the fact that Maybin's camp, not the Bills FO, is blaming the whole thing on Crabtree. Oh wait, you already did.
Lori Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 There was no way to know that we were drafting a holdout, but Orakpo would have been here, which is nice. No guarantee of that. Redskins were willing to do a deal with Orakpo (following a short holdout of his own) even though the pick ahead of him, Denver's Knowshon Moreno, didn't sign for another week.
jwws9999 Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 And what makes you say the Bills are "low balling" the kid??? and what makes you say we're not
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Turning out to be a wasted season for Maybin; maybe we'll see him contribute by week 8 this year if we're lucky. It kind of goes to show you that when you have an immediate need, it's best to fix it via free agency than the draft. These rookies either have slow learning curves, hold out, or get hurt. It's rare to draft a guy and plug him in to start Day 1.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Ugh...our franchise seems like a joke sometimes. Yes...we are the ONLY team in the NFL with holdouts. We are such a joke Should've thought about it before they drafted him. And we are joke for not having ESP like everyone else does. PTR
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Because you were wrong. He would have gone soon after, had the Bills passed. And I was wrong. Perhaps. I pass along what I hear, and expect. You think know the value of draft picks better than the FO of NFL teams. Good for you! Seems like you are the one pimping his intelligence here. Fair reply.
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 and what makes you say we're not Lavar Arrington doesn't even blame the Bills but you do?
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