Maybin Update

[Magox]

Is he a Bill yet?

[GrudginglyOptimistic]

It does seem like the scales have tipped to the agents. I remember Bill Parcells was really good at using the media, and actual disciplinary action to make players push their agents into getting signed. But he was an exception.

 

I’d like to see the rhetoric cranked up a little bit, tell him as Parcells used to craft-fully indicate that with any more time missed, he would only be able to learn enough to be a special teamer for the season, no D snaps, as the first team is jelling. Start bringing in free agents for visits to fill the depth chart at OLB and DE.

 

Agents can downplay exchanges behind closed doors, but the media can help give rise to doubts, which in turn will drive Maybin into pressuring his agent to close a deal.

 

The big problem with this strategy is that it would not be effective. The players clearly became a partner with the team owners when they forced the owners to agree to the CBA when they threatened to decertify themselves as a union in they forced the owners to either compete in a truer free market system negotiating individual contracts with individual players or instead acknowledge the NFLPA as a partner in together forcing individuals into the more communal system of a player draft.

 

The owners chose a more socialistic system (small s here and small c above) rather than take the free market.

 

This was a rational choice for the team owners as the system was far more stable under a more socialistic system than it would be under a free market and stability meant an individual team owner making far more money.

 

The current CBA produced a result which saw the NFLPA not only become a partner but arguably the majority partner as they eliminated by agreement the concept of a designated gross as the portion of the owners take dedicated to the players to guaranteeing 60.5% of the entire gross receipts to the workers salaries.

 

The agents are not really in control of anything here (they are merely employees of individual athletes and they are not organized like the NFLPA union to collaborate on strategy and thus they are a tool rather than a power- a well-paid tool but they are not in charge here).

 

The IMHO to understanding this is to know that the agents will not really be controlled (and thus the rookie salaries will not really be controlled until the majority partner, the NFLPA decides to control them and reaches agreement with the team owners on this point.

 

The irony here is that since the owners are in the midst of making a push to force negotiations with the NFLPA by reopening the CBA early as is their contractual right, it actually is likely to stall off an agreement to change the salary cap to lower rookie salaries. The NFLPA likely will not want to muddy up their current dueling with the owners by giving the additional leverage over whether they want to agree to a salary cap revision.

 

its interesting economics (an anti conventional wisdom ideology) to me but likely an issue for another day.

[Superman12975]

Excuse my ignorance if i'm wrong on this. Forget about Maybin. In fact offer him a minimum and if doesn't take it let him go to next year's draft. Take that rookie money and offer to a free agent or restricted FA like Peppers (before you all jump on me and say i'm crazy for saying he'll come to Buffalo i'm just using as an example). I would much rather take some FA money plus the rookie money and give it to proven vet who we know can put fear into an opposing QB rather than an uproven rookie who will not be able to produce after a year or two and leave after 4. Why can't we do that? I say from now on offer rookies a 7 or 8 year contract. The first two or three is minimum salary with incentive clauses. No worries on bust picks. If they produce after a year then escalations kick in and they earn their money as well as respect of vets, coaches, and fans. I may be off on this but it only takes one team to start it before others can follow. It also allows smaller market teams to get more competitive. Am i wrong?

[The Senator]

Lol, sucks to be them! Could you imagine if the Bills had a big off season acquisition that was sitting out multiple pre-season games due to injury...

Well so far, T.O.'s sat out one game but there's quite a difference between a guy (T.O.) who's a definite future HOFer, who showed his game-readiness in the HOF game, and whom the Bills signed to a 1-year $6M contract, vs. a guy (FatBoy Peters) who - coming off a sub-par year that, like the previous season, also ended with an injury - demanded and got a multi-year $60M deal with $23M guaranteed, then sprained his quad on the first day of camp running from his bed to breakfast, wouldn't you say?

 

I'm not at all worried about T.O. - I'll bet the Eagles and their fans are sure scratching their heads over this Peters thing, though!

[Steely Dan]

He put new plates on a car ?

 

Pay attention dumbass! He put coupons on his car.

 

 

Q: Weren't some of the same criticisms about size and experience being levelled against Maybin today also levelled against Dwight Freeney? Undersized, never played against anybody?

 

I'd like to see Maybin in camp. Get the deal done. Worst thing that can happen is that he ends up like Erik Flowers. Best thing is he ends up like Dwight Freeney and we get an instant boost to the pass rush. Git 'er done, Russ.

 

Maybin is 6'4" 250 and Freeney is 6'1" 268. I never understood those who say he's too small. Weight doesn't mean much to me for a DE unless he's grossly underweight. He seems to be tall enough to add some weight if he needs to. If he can sack the QB consistently then I don't give a crap about his weight.

[Captain Caveman]

Excuse my ignorance if i'm wrong on this. Forget about Maybin. In fact offer him a minimum and if doesn't take it let him go to next year's draft. Take that rookie money and offer to a free agent or restricted FA like Peppers (before you all jump on me and say i'm crazy for saying he'll come to Buffalo i'm just using as an example). I would much rather take some FA money plus the rookie money and give it to proven vet who we know can put fear into an opposing QB rather than an uproven rookie who will not be able to produce after a year or two and leave after 4. Why can't we do that? I say from now on offer rookies a 7 or 8 year contract. The first two or three is minimum salary with incentive clauses. No worries on bust picks. If they produce after a year then escalations kick in and they earn their money as well as respect of vets, coaches, and fans. I may be off on this but it only takes one team to start it before others can follow. It also allows smaller market teams to get more competitive. Am i wrong?

 

You're wrong. Do you know who we're going to get for the money they would be paying Maybin? Ryan Denney. If you're lucky. Peppers is going to get over $15 million a season, vs. $5 million for Maybin.

 

There's a reason no team has just moved on from a first round draft pick in recent memory. Draft picks are valuable. If they didn't think Maybin was worth the money coming to an 11th round pick, they shouldn't have drafted him there.

 

You are right that it sucks that unproven rookies make so much, although it's much more exaggerated in the top 5 picks. Hopefully the next CBA will change this, but in the meantime, letting Maybin go would be akin to shooting yourself in the upper thigh to spite your butt.

[buffaloaggie]

Maybin is 6'4" 250 and Freeney is 6'1" 268. I never understood those who say he's too small. Weight doesn't mean much to me for a DE unless he's grossly underweight. He seems to be tall enough to add some weight if he needs to. If he can sack the QB consistently then I don't give a crap about his weight.

He already added weight to get to 250. I worry about how much weight that he can put on and still maintain his best assets, his quick first step and speed. I agree, his height is fine.

 

As a comparison at DE, look at Jarvis Moss. He was underweight at 6-6 1/2 and 250 pounds, now up to 265. He is nearing total first round bust status, and will be there after the Broncos release him later this month, as rumored.

 

Once Maybin takes the field, we'll know if he can get to the QB in the NFL. Let's hope his quick first step and speed will produce Freeney like results and not have his lack of weight produce a Jarvis Moss like bust.

[eball]

Maybin is 6'4" 250 and Freeney is 6'1" 268. I never understood those who say he's too small. Weight doesn't mean much to me for a DE unless he's grossly underweight. He seems to be tall enough to add some weight if he needs to. If he can sack the QB consistently then I don't give a crap about his weight.

The variables on Maybin that make him so intriguing are his freakishly long arms and ridiculously quick first step. Those are attributes you can't coach or develop that should make him an above-average pass rusher. His weight is a non-issue as long as he's durable. I really don't give a crap about how he plays the run this year.

[Lv-Bills]

The variables on Maybin that make him so intriguing are his freakishly long arms and ridiculously quick first step. Those are attributes you can't coach or develop that should make him an above-average pass rusher. His weight is a non-issue as long as he's durable. I really don't give a crap about how he plays the run this year.

This kind of stuff cracks me up. How do you know his first step is ridiculously quick? He hasn't played or practiced a down yet. He's also very light, which just as well could make him a below average pass rusher. I'm just playing devils advocate here, but my statements could be just as true as yours.

 

No one has any idea how good Maybin will be. He should be signed by now. There is enough information out there to slot his contract. That's the only thing that is ridiculous.

[BillsGuyInMalta]

Apparently John Clayton claimed on ESPN that Maybin talks are "positive" and he'll report to the Bills before Monday.

 

Just parroting what I read elsewhere.

 

EDIT: On Sportscenter, I believe.

[NyQuil]

John Clayton has also said that deal was supposed to be worked out within 24 hours THREE TIMES already.

[BillsGuyInMalta]

John Clayton has also said that deal was supposed to be worked out within 24 hours THREE TIMES already.

Yup...thats why take the news with a grain of salt.

 

But hey, we're all dying for new info.

[ricojes]

Well so far, T.O.'s sat out one game but there's quite a difference between a guy (T.O.) who's a definite future HOFer, who showed his game-readiness in the HOF game, and whom the Bills signed to a 1-year $6M contract, vs. a guy (FatBoy Peters) who - coming off a sub-par year that, like the previous season, also ended with an injury - demanded and got a multi-year $60M deal with $23M guaranteed, then sprained his quad on the first day of camp running from his bed to breakfast, wouldn't you say?

 

I'm not at all worried about T.O. - I'll bet the Eagles and their fans are sure scratching their heads over this Peters thing, though!

Just saying that Dallas fan is posting the same exact thing on their fan boards regarding TO missing games.

[Pete]

Money is the ruiner of all things good.

 

Does Maybin want to play football?

[Flbillsfan#1]

He already added weight to get to 250. I worry about how much weight that he can put on and still maintain his best assets, his quick first step and speed. I agree, his height is fine.

 

As a comparison at DE, look at Jarvis Moss. He was underweight at 6-6 1/2 and 250 pounds, now up to 265. He is nearing total first round bust status, and will be there after the Broncos release him later this month, as rumored.

 

Once Maybin takes the field, we'll know if he can get to the QB in the NFL. Let's hope his quick first step and speed will produce Freeney like results and not have his lack of weight produce a Jarvis Moss like bust.

You are not factoring in his age. He is VERY young. As he matures, he will naturally put on some weight.

[JStranger76]

Exactly Flbillsfan#1. Maybin has huge upside being barely 21. I for one hope he puts weight on the right way and grows into his body naturally. When Freeny came out, he was already 24 years old and had time to become a muscular 268 lbs at only 6'1. His unreal 40 and reported 470 lb bench press is what got him drafted at 11 despite his lack of height, which turned out he knew how to use to his advantage to make him even more effective. Hopefully Maybin gets his ass in here and slowly grows into a Terrell Suggs type role, which IMO best suits him. Move him around for a while until he becomes strong enough to keep him at one position.

[JOHNNYFAIRPLAY]

It does seem like the scales have tipped to the agents. I remember Bill Parcells was really good at using the media, and actual disciplinary action to make players push their agents into getting signed. But he was an exception.

 

I’d like to see the rhetoric cranked up a little bit, tell him as Parcells used to craft-fully indicate that with any more time missed, he would only be able to learn enough to be a special teamer for the season, no D snaps, as the first team is jelling. Start bringing in free agents for visits to fill the depth chart at OLB and DE.

 

Agents can downplay exchanges behind closed doors, but the media can help give rise to doubts, which in turn will drive Maybin into pressuring his agent to close a deal.

 

 

Awful grammar and spelling...but this cat is right on in my opinion.

[BuffaloWings]

Money is the ruiner of all things good.

 

Does Maybin want to play football?

I honestly think he does, but agents usually are great salesmen to their clients...convincing them that they should hang out and wait for the best offer. Maybin is young - and probably green enough - to let the agent run things, so it's possible that he just doesn't know any better.

[Mr. WEO]

You are not factoring in his age. He is VERY young. As he matures, he will naturally put on some weight.

Interesting choice of word.

 

So, given that Maybin surprisingly put on 25 pounds of muscle in 55 days to show up at the combine looking like another man---how much more weight do you expect him to "naturally put on" over the next few years?

[ThereIsNoDog]

Interesting choice of word.

 

So, given that Maybin surprisingly put on 25 pounds of muscle in 55 days to show up at the combine looking like another man---how much more weight do you expect him to "naturally put on" over the next few years?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'd expect him to "naturally" put on as much weight as Orakpo did from the time he was 21 to last year. IOW about 15# more.