DaBills51 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I really think this whole slotting scenario is being blown out of proportion. If this were the main factor in Maybin's holdout then how did Knowshon Moreno sign without Aaron Maybin being signed before him...or Brian Orakpo without Moreno being signed. Many players signed before they were slotted....Maybin is just trying to squeeze out every dollar by attaching himself to Crabtree.
It's in My Blood Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I would love it if in the next CBA , the owners and NFLPA could address this issue with unproven rookies holding out deep into training camp, hurting the team and the players themselves. IMO, the best way to deal with it would be to cap rookie salaries. For example , players taken the first 3 rounds should have a ceiling on the amount of money they could sign for based on which round they were taken in , and backload it with performance incentives ( games played,sacks,receptions,etc.) I know its a pipedream and the NFLPA would never go for it but I think it would be an improvement over the current system of unproved kids holding out for millions. But hey, I would hold out too.
Fan in San Diego Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I would love it if in the next CBA , the owners and NFLPA could address this issue with unproven rookies holding out deep into training camp, hurting the team and the players themselves. IMO, the best way to deal with it would be to cap rookie salaries. For example , players taken the first 3 rounds should have a ceiling on the amount of money they could sign for based on which round they were taken in , and backload it with performance incentives ( games played,sacks,receptions,etc.) I know its a pipedream and the NFLPA would never go for it but I think it would be an improvement over the current system of unproved kids holding out for millions. But hey, I would hold out too. I agree, the NBA has a rookie salary cap, the NFL should as well.
Fan in San Diego Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 While I think most of us get the slotting thing, as you've stated, how hard would it be to project a number. sh--, if I had the time, I could plot all of the signed first round contracts and where Crabtree and Maybin should fall. This isn't difficult. Right now, I think he's getting bad advice or the Bills are really pinching pennies...err hundreds. I agree, easy to project a number. I have no idea who is holding that up. Bills , agents ? Who knows.
John from Riverside Posted August 18, 2009 Author Posted August 18, 2009 as far as i ma concerned yhis is our team back went out and no maybin this kid is not going to be a leader for us
Endless Ike Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin's holdout is created by Crabtree's holdout. It's a slotting thing, when the person before you sign's then you can slot your salary and sign your contract. Personally I think they can easily project a number and sign based on the projection. Even include and escaltor/descalator clause if Crabtree's number rocks the boat. IMHO This would also explain why picks 12-32 have not signed... because 12 can't sign without 11, 13 can't sign without 12, etc...
cantankerous Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I really think this whole slotting scenario is being blown out of proportion. If this were the main factor in Maybin's holdout then how did Knowshon Moreno sign without Aaron Maybin being signed before him...or Brian Orakpo without Moreno being signed. Many players signed before they were slotted....Maybin is just trying to squeeze out every dollar by attaching himself to Crabtree. Yes and i've grown tired of it. Sign the f-ckin piece of paper, become a millionaire and get your lagging ass out on the field Aaron!
Kipers Hair Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I really think this whole slotting scenario is being blown out of proportion. If this were the main factor in Maybin's holdout then how did Knowshon Moreno sign without Aaron Maybin being signed before him...or Brian Orakpo without Moreno being signed. Many players signed before they were slotted....Maybin is just trying to squeeze out every dollar by attaching himself to Crabtree. Amen....And this makes me fear - is he afraid that this will be the best contract he ever can get? Maybe inside, he knows he is a one hit wonder....
Buffaloed in Pa Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I really think this whole slotting scenario is being blown out of proportion. If this were the main factor in Maybin's holdout then how did Knowshon Moreno sign without Aaron Maybin being signed before him...or Brian Orakpo without Moreno being signed. Many players signed before they were slotted....Maybin is just trying to squeeze out every dollar by attaching himself to Crabtree. :lol: Money Maybin .I wish we could trade his sorry azz right now. It will take alot of sacks tohelp me to root for Franchise.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 as far as i ma concerned yhis is our team back went out and no maybin this kid is not going to be a leader for us John, WTF? This is not you, right?
Mr. WEO Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I thought I stated it pretty clearly, but here goes: there has been nothing, absolutely nothing, said by either side (Bills or Maybin) to indicate that offers have been exchanged, or that conversations are even taking place. Compare it to the Crabtree situation, where the team clearly made an offer, and the player clearly rejected it, as has been covered (albeit ad naseum) in the media. All I've ever heard on Maybin is that his deal is dependent upon the Crabtree deal, and that conversations are not taking place. And in response to your second question: it's actually really, really easy...if you don't have a contract offer, you can't sign one. If you don't sign a contract, you can't participate in practice (hence the holdout). How could that possibly confuse you? Here's a nice comparison to every day life: if you don't get a job offer after going on an interview, can you still not have a job, or is the only way to be jobless to reject a job offer? Whoa! Get a load of you! Well, my questions were pretty tricky..... Just pointing out that it's hard to say you're "negotiating" if neither side has made an offer. If you want to believe that it is possible that the Bills have not had a conversation or conversations with Maybin's reps simply because you haven't heard of any such meetings......go right ahead, I guess. My question was a way of suggesting that there may be things that you and I are not privy to regarding this issue. Your answer suggests that you have not or will not consider this possibility. Anyway, an AP story a week ago (jw, perhaps?) mentioned the "slow pace of contract talks" and "stalled negotiations". Pardon me if I logically concluded that, therefore, there had been communication between the parties. By the way, did the Bills FO inform you that they had resigned DJ last fall? They refused to confirm (out of shame no doubt) this to the rest of us until after the season. How about when they were started negotiating with TO? No? That's odd. As for your example--it couldn't be less appropriate (on several levels)---Maybin has, by being drafted by the Bills, already been offered the job. This is a compensation issue, not an employment issue. But to answer you question anyway: If you don't get offered a job, yeah, I guess that's one way to remain jobless.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Why cant the Bills just offer him a contract that may be a certain percent higher then the 11th pick last year and then put a clause in the contract that if the #10 pick gets a contract worth more than $X amount of dollars then the Bills will adjust Maybins contract to reflect his worth. Jeez anything to just get him suited up!
peanuts Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 The player needs to get on the field today. He is richers than 95% of the posters here once he signs. i know the Bills are offering a fair contract ask, Leodis and Lynch & Whitner. His agent must be the real problem?
DanInUticaTampa Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 we need another thread about maybin signing, don't we.
The Senator Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin's financial affairs are none of Mrs. Cravitz' business.
spartacus Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Yes and i've grown tired of it. Sign the f-ckin piece of paper, become a millionaire and get your lagging ass out on the field Aaron! never fails to amaze me how the team with the power to end this impass always gets a free pass. maybe if the Bills operated like a PROFESSIONAL football team that was committed to winning, and not like a bunch of penny pinching tightwads, they would have their players in camp on time. there is no excuse for the Bills slotting is just more mumbo-jumbo to manipulate the lemmings as noted above, if all the teams followed the Bills philosopjy, none of the rookies drafted after Crabtree would be signed.
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 John Warrorw's update: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news...pickmaybin.html
H2o Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 John Warrorw's update: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news...pickmaybin.html Just reading the first few lines you can grasp how much catching up Aaron is going to have to attempt to do, "As of Tuesday, Maybin has missed 21 practices, 15 walkthroughs, countless film study sessions and two preseason games since the Bills opened camp in suburban Rochester on July 25." That's alot of reps at full speed and alot of information in the film room to have missed out on. The longer he's out, the less likely he will be any sort of a factor this season. So what if he's just a "pass rushing specialist". He needs to have his tail in here working with the players and coaches trying to get himself ready for the MNF season opener. He still needs to learn the defensive plays and responsibilities. Almost half of his opportunity for progression and conditioning have been tossed away. I also don't buy, "He was crying because he couldn't be on the field" and "This Crabtree kid is messing everyone else up" . Bull crap. Search for the common ground of compromise and get your butt in here.
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 never fails to amaze me how the team with the power to end this impass always gets a free pass. maybe if the Bills operated like a PROFESSIONAL football team that was committed to winning, and not like a bunch of penny pinching tightwads, they would have their players in camp on time. there is no excuse for the Bills slotting is just more mumbo-jumbo to manipulate the lemmings as noted above, if all the teams followed the Bills philosopjy, none of the rookies drafted after Crabtree would be signed. If the Bills paid everyone 5 slots higher than their selection number, would that make them professional? The Bills have signed all of their picks except one. All first round picks have signed except three. Two of those three are players who at one point were listed as top of the draft talent. The third was picked higher than expected. Maybin's own people are the ones saying they are waiting for Crabtree. And the Bills are unprofessional?
Mickey Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 never fails to amaze me how the team with the power to end this impass always gets a free pass. maybe if the Bills operated like a PROFESSIONAL football team that was committed to winning, and not like a bunch of penny pinching tightwads, they would have their players in camp on time. there is no excuse for the Bills slotting is just more mumbo-jumbo to manipulate the lemmings as noted above, if all the teams followed the Bills philosopjy, none of the rookies drafted after Crabtree would be signed. Is it really all that hard to accept that the team that is paying Schobel and Kelsay millions to not sack the QB might possibly not have a clue when it comes to contract negotiations?
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