pBills Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Am I out of line in thinking that the cost is the only big issue here? I mean no one actually thinks that we don't need health care reform right? The numbers don't lie, our health care coverage is embarrassing to the rest of the world. Why are we wasting so much time on trivial things like whether or not death panels exist and hammer out some numbers and get this thing down. It really seems like the only thing to be done here. Not at all. That is the only thing as of right now that worries me.
pBills Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 What the !@#$ are you rambling about? Im talking about what possible FEDERAL LAW MAY or MAY NOT have been broken by its' distribution. Unsoilicited mail that violates CAN SPAM can get a marketer in deep sh--....and if the Obamanista's broke that law by distributing that mail, thats pretty !@#$ed up, no matter WHAT the mail contains. If you only knew how many times your information has been sold to companies. Not saying that is what happened either. Knowing the web system that Obama's campaign used during the election it is very, VERY easy to gain a huge emailing list. Remember one of, if not the BEST ground campaigns ever.
/dev/null Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 If you only knew how many times your information has been sold to companies. Not saying that is what happened either. Knowing the web system that Obama's campaign used during the election it is very, VERY easy to gain a huge emailing list. Remember one of, if not the BEST ground campaigns ever. Somehow I think if such an email had been sent to you by the Bush Whitehouse you would be frothing at the mouth and screaming bloody murder
pBills Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Somehow I think if such an email had been sent to you by the Bush Whitehouse you would be frothing at the mouth and screaming bloody murder um, no. I use that simple little button called delete.
Max Fischer Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 How about instead of a 1018 page overhaul, the government requires insurance companies to do the above? Uh, do you really think it would be a few pages long? More like 500+ You can also make a bad law with one sentence.
Max Fischer Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Typical "debate." WH puts out a summary of the objectives and the moron patrol complains about "spam." Nice response.
Wacka Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Typical "debate." WH puts out a summary of the objectives and the moron patrol complains about "spam." Nice response. It's spam when it comes unsolicited to your inbox.
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 It's spam when it comes unsolicited to your inbox. It's also a relatively trivial matter, whether it's spam or not. I mean, it really wouldn't surprise me if it were spam...but who cares? Don't like it? Add whitehouse.gov and "health care" to your spam filter.
Booster4324 Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 It's spam when it comes unsolicited to your inbox. No, your posts are spam. As was pointed out earlier, they have the right to do so due to an existing relationship. BTW where is your link to you playing DCTom against the creationists? Surely you weren't lying to us Wacka. It really did happen...right?
Wacka Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Free Republic. Same user name as here. Look up my name. I'm going to make you work.
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 BTW where is your link to you playing DCTom against the creationists? Surely you weren't lying to us Wacka. It really did happen...right? It probably did. He's a scientist. Not all conservatives are bible thumpers.
The Dean Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 It probably did. He's a scientist. Not all conservatives are bible thumpers. He has a masters degree, in science!
Fingon Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 How about we talk about the fact that all those proposed regulations will drastically increase premiums?
Kelly the Dog Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 How about we talk about the fact that all those proposed regulations will drastically increase premiums? That's one of the reasons you need the public plan. Also, they will make up a lot of lost revenue by having 40 million more people paying them. Less per person but more policies. Not to mention the exchange where anyone and any company can shop for betters deals. If they raise their rates too much they will lose customers.
Fingon Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 That's one of the reasons you need the public plan. Also, they will make up a lot of lost revenue by having 40 million more people paying them. Less per person but more policies. Not to mention the exchange where anyone and any company can shop for betters deals. If they raise their rates too much they will lose customers. You realize that the health care plan industry has a profit margin of around 3%, right? There is no wiggle room to reduce rates in order to gain more customers.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Obama was probably wrong to phrase it the way he did because they have unofficially endorsed the bill not officially (in essence he is wrong in the letter and right in the spirit). Tell that to the AARP Membership office, who have received THOUSANDS of calls a day to cancel memberships.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 Tell that to the AARP Membership office, who have received THOUSANDS of calls a day to cancel memberships. Do you want to bet that they will endorse the bill when it is ready?
Kelly the Dog Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 You realize that the health care plan industry has a profit margin of around 3%, right? There is no wiggle room to reduce rates in order to gain more customers. According to figures from the SEC, profits from the 10 largest health insurance companies rose 428% from 2000-2007, from 2.4 billion to 12.9 billion. http://hcfan.3cdn.net/dadd15782e627e5b75_g9m6isltl.pdf
Fingon Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 According to figures from the SEC, profits from the 10 largest health insurance companies rose 428% from 2000-2007, from 2.4 billion to 12.9 billion.http://hcfan.3cdn.net/dadd15782e627e5b75_g9m6isltl.pdf http://biz.yahoo.com/p/522qpmd.html Raw numbers are useless without context. When people quote total profits, they are relying on people being too dumb to look at the actual books. Also, health insurance is the 86th most profitable industry in America. Not to mention $12.9 billion is fairly minuscule when you are talking in hundreds of billions to over a trillion.
Magox Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Do you want to bet that they will endorse the bill when it is ready? do you want to bet if it passes that the bill will look drastically different than it is today?
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