Sisyphean Bills Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 I too have canceled my Sunday Ticket this year. The Bills need big changes in the front office and coaching staff before they will compete for anything. Frankly, I can't see any reason to be optimistic for a playoff victory this year. Until Jauron and others are replaced, this is simply a positioning year for what's next. You have to hope that Ralph regains a sense of urgency toward this team and starts the wheel of change rolling soon. Hope for that is a reason to stay tuned. This isn't intended as an attack, bro. But, the irony of someone with a screen name of "keepthefaith" posting this is off the charts. Thanks for the laugh attack.
JPicc2114 Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 For just a preseason game.. you got pretty worked up there. The Bills first team dominated Pittsburgh last year in preseason. Was that an indicator of how the season turned out? Hell no, Pittsburgh won the Superbowl.
BuffaloBill Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 This is an insanely great thread .... maybe the best I have read in my shoert time on the board. I love the passion of Bills fans. Pipe makes some valid points .. some points are plain stupid
Blaise321 Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 Wow, this thread was way better than the TV show I was watching. Good night to all
billsrcursed Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 And to think, I wasn't even going to open this thread + 1 This thread is full of WIN. waa waaaa, Bills lost their first pre-season game!!! waa waaaaa, DJ is still our coach!!! waa waaaaa, I'm all out of milk and really want Cheerios!!! waa waaaaa, Dean keeps picking on me!!! Love it, keep it coming!
Kipers Hair Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 Do you perhaps have a personal vendetta against me because I jokingly referred to you as a joke? Am I to forever play Mercutio to your magnificent Tybalt? Nice use literary figures as a descriptor....There is hope on this board for educated colorful commentary yet....
Kipers Hair Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 I have to say, while I do not consider this one of p-t-p's best posts, it certainly has elicited some excellent feedback. I like the fact that you have called out the moderators and they are responding honestly about what goes on. As always - the Bills feedback is what it is - they are plain aweful right now. We can only pray Ralph grows some crazy onions and makes a bold move to bring in a Parcells like football presence to overhaul this once beautiful machine. Excellent job p-t-p - I hope you reconsider, the board is certainly more interesting with your commentary.
keepthefaith Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 This isn't intended as an attack, bro. But, the irony of someone with a screen name of "keepthefaith" posting this is off the charts. Thanks for the laugh attack. I should change it to "losingfaith" or "tryingtokeepthefaith" or "nofaithinjauron".
Bill from NYC Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 I should change it to "losingfaith" or "tryingtokeepthefaith" or "nofaithinjauron". Don't you want to put JP in the new name?
The Dean Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 Don't you want to put JP in the new name? Which one? And why bother when neither is on the team?
CodeMonkey Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not sure why fans can't just enjoy the Bills for what they are - OUR football team! This actually sums it up perfectly for me. If you don't go in with high expectations you won't be disappointed. Enjoy having a team and don't take it so seriously. I also thought the original post way back there on page 1 was well thought out. I read most (but not all) of the posts following and saw lots of people hating the attitude, and definitely hating being put down for buying season tickets, but I didn't see any disputing the football related content. Don't worry, be happy. Enjoy them while they are still ... the Buffalo Bills!
Mr.Rippon Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 "The definition of insanity...is repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting a different outcome" Well then most of us must be insane, because if its a fall Sunday its Meet the Press, followed by At the Movies, followed by the Food Network, but at 1pm, the magic starts, the beer is cracked, the jersey is on and I sit with the anticipation of a 5 year old on Christmas morning thinking the Bill can win this game. The Pipe made some points, but being a fan of the Bills means you are in for the long hall and in-spite it all this Team might surprise us. And if they don't, just drink more beer. beer.gif Amen
Kipers Hair Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 This actually sums it up perfectly for me. If you don't go in with high expectations you won't be disappointed. Enjoy having a team and don't take it so seriously. I also thought the original post way back there on page 1 was well thought out. I read most (but not all) of the posts following and saw lots of people hating the attitude, and definitely hating being put down for buying season tickets, but I didn't see any disputing the football related content. Don't worry, be happy. Enjoy them while they are still ... the Buffalo Bills! Apostle of Homer Simpson are you? I have to disagree with the position - so what you are saying is you would be OK as a Bill's fan if they went 2-14? Just being is good enough? You are Russ Brandon's wet dream! You don't want better? Playoff's don't matter to you? Are you one of these poeple that is just happy to have a job? Don't care what you look like? Just throwing some clothes on is good enough is it? Again, no umbrage, I just think expectations are necessary for self and one's sporting teams....otherwise, your just a Homer....
keepthefaith Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 Don't you want to put JP in the new name? As long as the odds seem now, I have more faith in JP as a QB than Jauron as a head coach and my faith in JP is quite thin.
JPicc2114 Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 is repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting a different outcome, which is entirely applicable to the true bill-ievers, half-brains, and, yes, Tim Graham, the ESPN Blogger that shows up at this urinal regularly for his periodic rub and tug free of charge from the natives. What I saw Sunday night cannot be dismissed as a pre-season game, no game planning, or some other form of denial for sweeping another putrid performance under the Two Bills Drive carpet. Yes, it was another sh*t storm that is part of a 10 year run of futility complements of the newly minted Hall Famer, Mr. Ralph Wilson. The game could have easily been number 17 of the 2008 campaign; jail breaks up the middle of the o-line, undersized slow defensive ends stoned at the line of scrimmage, Lynch averaging 2 yards a carry, Ellison being Ellison, and opponents converting a high percentage of third and longs. Oh, I forgot, the gift wrapping looked sharp in the silver anniversary threads, but once the box was opened it was the same pile of sh*t; some very fine business schools call that marketing; which I believe is the formal education of our stellar GM (please correct me if I am wrong on this one). Same coach, same management team, same college scouts, same owner, and practically the same roster and many of you, as validated through your posts, and sucks to-be-you season ticket purchases, are expecting a different outcome, pure “insanity” I tell you! Lord knows I have tried to shed light on the problems and people like Jerry Sullivan regularly steal my content, but take it for what its worth: 1.) Modrak is simply the most pathetic talent evaluator I have ever seen. Trading proven players away to give this guy additional draft picks is like giving a stripper more 20s, at the end of the night you’re left with an empty wallet, your right or left hand, and a roll of toilet paper. Add Leodis McKelvin to the list of Buffalo Bills first round busts; the guy is horrible. He must feel like a turkey around the middle of October as the world will watch pilgrim Brady carve him to pieces. Don’t hold your collective breathes for Maybin either as he will make Erik Flowers look like Bruce Smith. One year undersized wonder is holding out for a monster contract, is he kidding he was drafted by Modrak? Then again, all his leverage will be gone once he makes it to NFL game film (see JP Losman). 2.) Is the prized free agent center really white and did he really play for Carolina last year because he sure looked like Marvin Fowler with a case of Michael Jackson’s weird skin disease? 3.) The other day Bela-cheatkicka** picked up a pro bowl pass rusher for a 3rd and 4th next year; if the “marketing guy” didn’t have is head up his a** we could have gotten the same player because a 3rd and 4th for Modrak is like walk-on free agents for anybody else. Hell, I would have given the Raiders our entire 2008 draft class as well as the picks. 4.) Nobody fool themselves, Aaron Schobel is toast. It was evident even before last season. His quickness is gone. 5.) Everybody including Tim Graham please stop referring to Lee Evans as some super talent waiting to explode. He is a very poor man’s Cliff Branch, a stop and go, post pattern route runner with no ability to find seams, break tackles, or in other words, move the chains, a one trick pony. In five minutes TO showed why he is TO, by far the best talent this team has had in over a decade. Watching TO light-up Edwards and Jauron on the sidelines will be the highlight of this season. 6.) Many of you supported the Peters trade; what did “short-arms” Wilson really save a whole $30 million or so in guaranteed money? When one considers the money pissed away on the likes of Kelsey, Denny, Kyle Williams, Whitner, the entire 2008 draft class, free agents like Fowler/Royal/Dockery, what are we talking about, a deckchair off of the Titanic? Trading a two-time Pro Bowl “left tackle” at 26 years of age so that we can draft a couple more useless corner backs and you people are stampeding to the ticket window to catch this circus? I hope the inheritors of the Wilson Family Trust remember to send out the thank you notes. It is a crime you guys can’t get a tax deduction for your charitable contributions!! I can go on and on, but I frankly have had enough. Honestly, I have canceled my NFL Ticket and I have re-routed my home opener weekend to a golf destination because it simply makes no sense to watch this nonsense anymore. God bless and Good luck, The Pipe!!! Leadership of this website please allow me the decency of having this as my last post; I am giving you complete and total permission to terminate my membership. SEE YOU SEPT 14TH!!
Bill from NYC Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 Which one? And why bother when neither is on the team? It was an inside joke of sorts.
Adam Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 I hate to say it, but there is a lot of truth in what was said. Jauron is an easy scapegoat, but the problem goes much deeper. Bad drafts and years of neglect of both lines have made shambles of the team. Oh, we always have a shiny new QB, and buffalo fans always fall for shiny things. Our best lineman over the past few years has been Schobel and he is comparable to the vastly underrated Mark Pike (and anyone who considers that an insult is a too new a fan to remember). Stroud was a good pickup, but he needed help. WE keep focusing on fluff like Owens and more DB's.....the meat and potatoes of the offensive line and defensive line wins games- Jacksonville has a good shot in their division this year. At this time next year, everyone will be salivating over our first round QB.
Slo_Bills Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 A (very upset) fan delivers a witty, cutting (if a bit over the top) bit of opinion and the result is predictable--the less tolerant dwellers start freaking, jumping about like the chimps in 2001-A Space Odyssey. The high priests of WhoisarealBillsfan react as though he has crapped in their Holy Communion wafer bowl--which he has I guess. Yes, by all means, a Bills fan site has absolutely no room for such bad men and their heresy. Please reconsider, Pipe (the leaving part--not your post!). Could not have said it better
Bill from NYC Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 A few years ago, our very own SDS summed this up years ago better than I, or anyone else ever did. Scott described himself of more of a "fan of Bills Fans" than a "fan of the Bills." I never forgot this. Think about it.....when he said this, the Bills were poorly constructed and poorly coached. Has this changed? Of course not. The dumb moves of this team are well chronicled. Just the other night, I saw Schobel racing away from scrimage on pass coverage. This would be good too, if there was any pass rush. On one pass play I was waiting to see Whitner, but he was so far back he wasn't visible on my 46 inch screen. The idiocy continues, and there are no real signs of it ending. That said, Bills Fans are a great bunch. Really, we love this team so much that we bicker with each other, and dedicate way too much time trying to see things that people like Jauron cannot. PTP will be back, and not many of us are going to quit. I even think that we will win it all some day, and have no idea why I believe this. Bottom line? It is a mess but it is OUR mess. I salute you, fellow Bills Fans! GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Adam Posted August 12, 2009 Posted August 12, 2009 A few years ago, our very own SDS summed this up years ago better than I, or anyone else ever did. Scott described himself of more of a "fan of Bills Fans" than a "fan of the Bills." I never forgot this. Think about it.....when he said this, the Bills were poorly constructed and poorly coached. Has this changed? Of course not. The dumb moves of this team are well chronicled. Just the other night, I saw Schobel racing away from scrimage on pass coverage. This would be good too, if there was any pass rush. On one pass play I was waiting to see Whitner, but he was so far back he wasn't visible on my 46 inch screen. The idiocy continues, and there are no real signs of it ending. That said, Bills Fans are a great bunch. Really, we love this team so much that we bicker with each other, and dedicate way too much time trying to see things that people like Jauron cannot. PTP will be back, and not many of us are going to quit. I even think that we will win it all some day, and have no idea why I believe this. Bottom line? It is a mess but it is OUR mess. I salute you, fellow Bills Fans! GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you define poorly coached? Is Jauron a tactical master? Probably not. Does he get a lot out of the sad bunch he gets? absolutely. He shouldn't have final say in personnel or anything close to it, but thats a front office problem.
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