X. Benedict Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 How exactly do the Democrats differ? Democrats depend more on the apathetic than Republicans. Democrat is usually the party of default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The irony is that these people are being USED by the corporate fat cats that stand to lose money over healthcare reform. The funding is coming from "CPR" which was founded by the guy from HCA/Columbia who perpetuated the worst health insurance industry fraud EVER. Of course they would prefer people not know that...this is nothing more than the special interests against the American people, and once again they're taking advantage of ignorant, ill-informed people. And they're just busing them around from site to site. These aren't local concerned citizens. They're stupid, petty, morons. The purpose of these town halls is to discuss the reform. It could WELL be that middle-of-the-road Americans could learn enough at them to be against it. It's fine to go to a town hall and confront the politicians, but it's not fine to disrupt the meeting so that the people who came to hear and be heard cannot do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Why does this violent aspect always seem to be an issue with the nutjob right? Seriously. Many of us were pissed off at the worst president of our lifetime Dick Cheney but I don't remember it ever taking a violent turn but you're right...I expect the conservative right to turn this violent. I can already sense their unfound anger bubbling below the surface. Is this a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The irony is that these people are being USED by the corporate fat cats that stand to lose money over healthcare reform. The funding is coming from "CPR" which was founded by the guy from HCA/Columbia who perpetuated the worst health insurance industry fraud EVER. Of course they would prefer people not know that...this is nothing more than the special interests against the American people, and once again they're taking advantage of ignorant, ill-informed people. And they're just busing them around from site to site. These aren't local concerned citizens. They're stupid, petty, morons. The purpose of these town halls is to discuss the reform. It could WELL be that middle-of-the-road Americans could learn enough at them to be against it. It's fine to go to a town hall and confront the politicians, but it's not fine to disrupt the meeting so that the people who came to hear and be heard cannot do so. The only thing I find Ironic about this is that when Code Pink, Earth First or you pick the liberal advocacy group cause disruptive acts, it is called exercising their first amendment rights, but when these guys do it, they are considered astroturfers, teabaggers or you fill in the blank. All in all, I think it's stupid, and I put them all in the same category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The purpose of these town halls is to discuss the reform. It could WELL be that middle-of-the-road Americans could learn enough at them to be against it. It's fine to go to a town hall and confront the politicians, but it's not fine to disrupt the meeting so that the people who came to hear and be heard cannot do so. Problem is that at these "town halls" the public can't ask questions or the questioners are hand selected by the congressmen. Also at a lot of them, Obama's Blue Shirts (union thugs) are there to intimidate people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The irony is that these people are being USED by the corporate fat cats that stand to lose money over healthcare reform. The funding is coming from "CPR" which was founded by the guy from HCA/Columbia who perpetuated the worst health insurance industry fraud EVER. Of course they would prefer people not know that...this is nothing more than the special interests against the American people, and once again they're taking advantage of ignorant, ill-informed people. And they're just busing them around from site to site. These aren't local concerned citizens. They're stupid, petty, morons. The purpose of these town halls is to discuss the reform. It could WELL be that middle-of-the-road Americans could learn enough at them to be against it. It's fine to go to a town hall and confront the politicians, but it's not fine to disrupt the meeting so that the people who came to hear and be heard cannot do so. Your statement is so far off the mark it isn't funny. I don't need the prompting of some "corporate fat cat" to know that the United States Motherment taking charge of health care is a bad thing. See, I can think for myself. I don't need the NEA, AFL-CIO or AARP telling me that we NEED health care reform now, and that I should call my politician. I'm an American. Independent thought is what I do. it's the sheeple of YOUR ilk who are being used by the big union-backed political machines to try and pass the single greatest power-grab in the history of American politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Is this a joke? Hardly, but I'm sure you've compiled a list of all the cases of "eco-terrorism" the last decade or so that you're so fond of mentioning.....you will provide a list right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Democrats depend more on the apathetic than Republicans. Democrat is usually the party of default. Really? I was always thought the opposite was true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Your statement is so far off the mark it isn't funny. I don't need the prompting of some "corporate fat cat" to know that the United States Motherment taking charge of health care is a bad thing. See, I can think for myself. I don't need the NEA, AFL-CIO or AARP telling me that we NEED health care reform now, and that I should call my politician. I'm an American. Independent thought is what I do. it's the sheeple of YOUR ilk who are being used by the big union-backed political machines to try and pass the single greatest power-grab in the history of American politics. Explain to me who would qualify for "the public plan" and how many Americans would get their insurance from the government instead of private industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Ever seen a World Bank/IMF meeting? The nutjob left is just as violent as the nutjob right. Rudolph, McVeigh, Kopp or the recent nutjob who killed the doctor in Kansas? Those are just the high profile cases. Has anyone ever been killed on the street by one of these IMF "terrorists"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Really? I was always thought the opposite was true. Big surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Really? I was always thought the opposite was true. Demographics say otherwise. Call it what you will, but people who follow Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Beck etc. are not apathetic or in the middle in their politics. There tends to be an ideological core. Even though the apathetic prefer calling themselves conservative just to avoid a liberal label....they still tend to register as Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Call it what you will, but people who follow Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Beck etc. are not apathetic or in the middle in their politics. There tends to be an ideological core. According to LABillz, the only people who listen to them are liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Change Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The irony is that these people are being USED by the corporate fat cats that stand to lose money over healthcare reform. The funding is coming from "CPR" which was founded by the guy from HCA/Columbia who perpetuated the worst health insurance industry fraud EVER. Of course they would prefer people not know that...this is nothing more than the special interests against the American people, and once again they're taking advantage of ignorant, ill-informed people. And they're just busing them around from site to site. These aren't local concerned citizens. They're stupid, petty, morons. The purpose of these town halls is to discuss the reform. It could WELL be that middle-of-the-road Americans could learn enough at them to be against it. It's fine to go to a town hall and confront the politicians, but it's not fine to disrupt the meeting so that the people who came to hear and be heard cannot do so. I'm not, nor do I need to be funded by anyone to know this legislation is a POS. All that is necessary is reading the bill. Keep up with the Daily Kooks talking points Dumbazz Deb. Oh, wait...I made a funny! Should I copyright it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StupidNation Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 And this country was founded by people who knew that civil discourse and debate was the only way we could survive together given the varied opinions of our citizens. Citizens are allowed to question, debate, and discuss issues with their representatives, and vote them out if a majority disagree with their representation. Your support of anarchy over the Constitution and civil law is disappointing. Funny, I remember reading several of the founding fathers that said the violence was NECESSARY every so many years to stop tyranny. Maybe you failed to read the fathers before you came to your own conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I'm not, nor do I need to be funded by anyone to know this legislation is a POS. All that is necessary is reading the bill. Keep up with the Daily Kooks talking points Dumbazz Deb. Oh, wait...I made a funny! Should I copyright it? Tell me exactly what you are against in this bill and why. Let's leave out the funding for now, although it's a hugely legitimate issue and needs to be discussed. Opponents are going to say it costs a trillion, proponents are going to say it will be deficit neutral. Lets just not go there for the purposes of this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Explain to me who would qualify for "the public plan" and how many Americans would get their insurance from the government instead of private industry. That's just the point I'm trying to make, thank you. We don't know, and yet we're being asked to support a process that will most certainly cost TRILLIONS of dollars over its lifetime without any published plan, accountability or public debate and discourse. The line from Congress and Dear Leader is that we need to get this done NOW, but there's no public explanation of what exactly is going to "get done." There is one thing that's for sure, however. If there is any way , any loophole that would allow employers to offload employees into the public plan, they WILL take it. EDIT: One thing we DO know is that thousands of people will lose jobs in the health insurance industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Hardly, but I'm sure you've compiled a list of all the cases of "eco-terrorism" the last decade or so that you're so fond of mentioning.....you will provide a list right? q.g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 According to LABillz, the only people who listen to them are liberals. If that is the case...I'm still right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 That's just the point I'm trying to make, thank you. We don't know, and yet we're being asked to support a process that will most certainly cost TRILLIONS of dollars over its lifetime without any published plan, accountability or public debate and discourse. The line from Congress and Dear Leader is that we need to get this done NOW, but there's no public explanation of what exactly is going to "get done." There is one thing that's for sure, however. If there is any way , any loophole that would allow employers to offload employees into the public plan, they WILL take it. How can you be against it if you don't know what it is? I can tell you what it basically is, as well as what the CBO says it is. The government "public plan" is a small part of the Health Care reform bill. Only certain people will be eligible for the public plan so employers won't be able to offload employees unless they qualify. And why would employers want to screw their employees by putting them in a public plan when they are not obligated to give them insurance right now? If they wanted to save money, they would cut benefits and payments now, which they are doing. The CBO says 4% of the public will opt for this public plan. Four percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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