Mickey Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 If Jauron is here I wouldn"t be so sure. Its getting near time to replace Whitner and MaGee. It's hard to visualize him drafting a LT before the 3rd or 4th round under these conditions. Wrt Butler, this stint at RT should be make or break imo. All he has proven thus far is that he is a decent, if not injury prone guard. The chance of success at RT seems OK to me. And, I think that Levitre and Wood are both better players, or at least will be. Walker? Imo Chambers will get a lot of reps at LT. The article claims that Walker is 345. I am betting that he is closer tp 375. A good season from him at LT would be a miracle. You are probably right about Jauron not likely to resist adding DB's. As for how well Walker will do, I tend to agree but this is the result of the personnel moves made by the front office so all we can do is play the cards we are dealt. It won't be the first time we have had a tackle who will need to be helped out by the TE or the RB to keep our QB out of a wheelchair. Just have to hope for the best and that the no-huddle and other moves can cover up the weaknesses on the line. As much as I liked having Peters on the roster, what's done is done so all we can do is hope to get through this year. I am over it but there are still quite a few around here who start each day with a search for anything negative about Peters. Apparently they need to constantly reassure themselves that it wasn't a mistake to let him go.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Hope you're right, JR. I admit to being pizzed to hear this as it re-inforces Bills fans biggest fear this year. IMO, we have finally accumulated enough great talent to contend, with the major ? being a brand new OL that nobody knows for sure will work out. If he's just sandbaggin', then it's all good! Just scares me right now.. I hear ya. It seems strange that the Bills didn't bring in a vet as an insurance in case LW doesn't pan out at LT.
Mickey Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 I first thought that they were going to leave the right side alone and then try to get a stop gap player in to bridge the gap to Bell (i.e. Chambers). I never thought they'd actually sign a Levi Jones, but thought they'd go for continuity. Instead it seems like they went with the "let's get the best five guys on the field" approach. I wonder how long it takes until D. Bell gets in and somebody take a seat like in 06 when Peters moved to LT halfway through the season. What is with all the talk about Bell?? Is there some proof out there, apart from our collective hopes, that the team projects him as an eventual starter at LT?
ThereIsNoDog Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 My point was, he knows he is out of his natural position and knows he is not suited till fill LT, he will still try his best because he is a professional. I didn't state he was focusing on his limitations, I stated he knew them. and was very aware he is simply not being put in position to succeed by the coaches. This move just shows me that the Bills don't understand the offensive line positions very well, there is currently nobody in the entire Bills organization that has a clue on how to build a dominate O line, or they are just to cheap to actually pay a top LT. The very first thing Parcells did at Miami was draft a LT (Jake Long) to protect the QB. The Bills had a premier LT and they screwed it up, just like they screwed up by releasing Derrick Dockery when they could have traded him for a pick. What pick for Dockery? Where? And they screwed-up with Peters? By giving him a new deal after 2 years and making him think that he'd get one after every 2 years? If so, I agree.
billybob Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 What is with all the talk about Bell?? Is there some proof out there, apart from our collective hopes, that the team projects him as an eventual starter at LT? Huge amount of D. Bell glossing came from one Bills drive before the Peters trade- after the Peters Trade nada - at this point I think it was blowing smoke, a time honored negotiating tactic but earlier I was imagining Bell as the guy who is going to make us all forget about Peters.
Billistic Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Its clear to me that the Bills are looking at Bell as the eventual heir apparent at LT.I personally have some confidence in Bell I think athletic genes and pedigree count for a lot. Sure, and there are many examples to prove this, such as ____ (??? fill in the blank, with very long list of examples) The physical/mental/psychological attributes of starters in the NFL comprise such a complex synergy of thousands of genes, each contributing some protein whose function in producing a phenotypes such as "huge, strong, with quick feet and reactions", that the relationships producing the complex phenotypes will never be learned. An NFL starter has won the genetic PowerBall lottery. When the winner's nards produce his sperm, none of them will carry his team of genes, ever, ever, ever. Cannot possibly because of the process called meiosis. Ever hear of the child of a PowerBall winner winning the PowerBall?
billybob Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Sure, and there are many examples to prove this, such as ____ (??? fill in the blank, with very long list of examples) The physical/mental/psychological attributes of starters in the NFL comprise such a complex synergy of thousands of genes, each contributing some protein whose function in producing a phenotypes such as "huge, strong, with quick feet and reactions", that the relationships producing the complex phenotypes will never be learned. An NFL starter has won the genetic PowerBall lottery. When the winner's nards produce his sperm, none of them will carry his team of genes, ever, ever, ever. Cannot possibly because of the process called meiosis. Ever hear of the child of a PowerBall winner winning the PowerBall? That why the Bills need to set up a cloning program ASAP
Billistic Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 It seems strange that the Bills didn't bring in a vet as an insurance in case LW doesn't pan out at LT. That's about as strange as there being nothing good to watch on television. How do you think the Bills manage always to have losing seasons? Hint: It ain't merely bad luck.
Billistic Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 That why the Bills need to set up a cloning program ASAP They'll have to do it offshore, or they'll catch hell from the Inquisition.
cåblelady Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Most people in this world are asked to do things in their jobs that make them less than happy. And most of us aren't paid millions for the pleasure of it. Suck it up fatso.
BillsVet Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Huge amount of D. Bell glossing came from one Bills drive before the Peters trade- after the Peters Trade nada - at this point I think it was blowing smoke, a time honored negotiating tactic but earlier I was imagining Bell as the guy who is going to make us all forget about Peters. The Bills talk about Bell as if he's close to ready. People like eball, who disappeared from the board during the latter part of the 2-8 finish actually believe Bell could start right now. No doubt he's athletic, but plenty of guys can't play the LT position. Bell was a two year project when he was drafted, and he's probably a year away. I'm sure he's much stronger than he was when drafted, but he's never taken an NFL snap. Perhaps Buffalo wanted to try to make it through 09 with Langston "Beerbelly" Walker and hope Bell is ready in 2010. That's fine if you're rebuilding, but this franchise can't afford to hope someone will be ready while hoping to get by with an inferior athlete at the positon this season.
thewildrabbit Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 What pick for Dockery? Where? And they screwed-up with Peters? By giving him a new deal after 2 years and making him think that he'd get one after every 2 years? If so, I agree.The Bills had a trade in the works with the Lions for trading Dockery and it didn't go through because they screwed it up. The only Bills player named to the pro bowl the last two years was LT Jason Peters, irregardless of how Bills fans view him now he is highly thought of around the NFL, in fact Andy Reid the HC of the Eagles stated Peters was the best LT in the NFL, which is why they gave up a first round draft pick for him. The average life span of a player in the NFL is THREE years, so IMO every player has a right to obtain the best pay he can get, while he can get it. The team will cut a player when they feel like it no matter what his contract states! A few years ago the Bills brought in Dockery and Walker and paid them both more then Peters, although Peters was clearly better then both of them. The Bills should have re upped Peters contract right then and there, they didn't and the result was an unhappy player. Had the Bills renegotiated his contract and paid him accordingly they would still have one of the premier left tackles in the NFL and all these posts about the O line would be moot
Billistic Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 The Bills had a trade in the works with the Lions for trading Dockery and it didn't go through because they screwed it up. The only Bills player named to the pro bowl the last two years was LT Jason Peters, irregardless of how Bills fans view him now he is highly thought of around the NFL, in fact Andy Reid the HC of the Eagles stated Peters was the best LT in the NFL, which is why they gave up a first round draft pick for him. The average life span of a player in the NFL is THREE years, so IMO every player has a right to obtain the best pay he can get, while he can get it. The team will cut a player when they feel like it no matter what his contract states! A few years ago the Bills brought in Dockery and Walker and paid them both more then Peters, although Peters was clearly better then both of them. The Bills should have re upped Peters contract right then and there, they didn't and the result was an unhappy player. Had the Bills renegotiated his contract and paid him accordingly they would still have one of the premier left tackles in the NFL and all these posts about the O line would be moot EXTREME WARNING!!! These topics were previously discussed by the elite insider crew. Retract this post at once, or you may be labeled "troll" or "idiot". This is your only warning before action is taken against you. That is all.
Rubes Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 I would expect that we should have some idea by the end of training camp and preseason if Walker can handle the LT spot. He certainly did not generate any alarms when he played there last year, but I imagine the coaching staff would thoroughly test him with outside speed rushes to see if he can deal with them. My concern, as people have noted, is what happens if he stinks up the joint? People who think Bell can step right in this year are deluding themselves. I would have thought Chambers would be given the task, but that doesn't seem to be the plan, nor does it make me all warm and fuzzy inside.
zazie Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Sure, and there are many examples to prove this, such as ____ (??? fill in the blank, with very long list of examples) The physical/mental/psychological attributes of starters in the NFL comprise such a complex synergy of thousands of genes, each contributing some protein whose function in producing a phenotypes such as "huge, strong, with quick feet and reactions", that the relationships producing the complex phenotypes will never be learned. An NFL starter has won the genetic PowerBall lottery. When the winner's nards produce his sperm, none of them will carry his team of genes, ever, ever, ever. Cannot possibly because of the process called meiosis. Ever hear of the child of a PowerBall winner winning the PowerBall? Howie Long Chris Long Nelson Piquet Nelson Piquet Jr. Mohammed Ali and daughter Griese and Brian Griese Those are within one second of thinking I am sure that there are hundreds of examples. Genes do count, a lot. It is not just hair color that is inherited.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 From seconds ago..Mark Gaughan's Live Chat: Q: The guys at the D&C suggested Langston Walker is not pleased to be playing LT. What's your take? Are the Bills hoping to get Demetrius Bell ready to take over sooner rather than later? 12:33 Langston is a smart guy and he's very cautious about all his comments on left tackle. This was an organizational decision that he not only can play left tackle but thrive there. So if he fails it's Wilson-Brandon-Jauron all to be blamed. I take it that Mark agrees that Walker less than thrilled to be at LT. PTR
thewildrabbit Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 The Bills talk about Bell as if he's close to ready. People like eball, who disappeared from the board during the latter part of the 2-8 finish actually believe Bell could start right now. No doubt he's athletic, but plenty of guys can't play the LT position. Bell was a two year project when he was drafted, and he's probably a year away. I'm sure he's much stronger than he was when drafted, but he's never taken an NFL snap. Perhaps Buffalo wanted to try to make it through 09 with Langston "Beerbelly" Walker and hope Bell is ready in 2010. That's fine if you're rebuilding, but this franchise can't afford to hope someone will be ready while hoping to get by with an inferior athlete at the positon this season. When the team completely overhauls the offensive line and every player at each position is changed, 2 rookies penciled in at guard and one didn't even play guard in college, then a back up player from another team to start at center...I'd say that constitutes a rebuilding. Fans don't want to acknowledge the fact that the Bills are rebuilding again, they rebuilt after Greg Williams and again after Mike Mularkey... and now Jauron knows he didn't get it right in his first three years soooo, he started rebuilding again.
Dan Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 The Bills had a trade in the works with the Lions for trading Dockery and it didn't go through because they screwed it up. The only Bills player named to the pro bowl the last two years was LT Jason Peters, irregardless of how Bills fans view him now he is highly thought of around the NFL, in fact Andy Reid the HC of the Eagles stated Peters was the best LT in the NFL, which is why they gave up a first round draft pick for him. The average life span of a player in the NFL is THREE years, so IMO every player has a right to obtain the best pay he can get, while he can get it. The team will cut a player when they feel like it no matter what his contract states! A few years ago the Bills brought in Dockery and Walker and paid them both more then Peters, although Peters was clearly better then both of them. The Bills should have re upped Peters contract right then and there, they didn't and the result was an unhappy player. Had the Bills renegotiated his contract and paid him accordingly they would still have one of the premier left tackles in the NFL and all these posts about the O line would be moot I'm just curious, should the Bills' FO re-up every player's contract when they have a good season and demand top 5 money? We have multiple players primed to be in exactly that position. Where do you draw the line? Or do you propose we allow the players to dictate their salary each year? I love how everyone was so happy with the FO for locking up this great potential talent to a reasonable contact. Then 2 years later, when the player complains, everyone is pissed at the FO for not re-upping his contract like he wanted. I suppose in hindsight, the FO shouldn't have given him a nice raise and insist he earn it at LT first. But, then again, I imagine everyone would be pissed because they didn't lock him up to a longer term, reasonably priced contract when they had the chance. The FO handled the Peters situation as well as could be expected. Just face it, some people you cannot make happy. They just don't want to be here. Or worse yet, all they care about is the money. And those are usually the ones that drop off considerably once they get it. Now, did the FO handle replacing Peters properly? That's the point of this thread, and one worth discussing. For me, I'll wait to see a little of Walker's play on the field in the preseason before I get too worked up about a few comments; especially, knowing Walker's sense of humor and conversation style.
Billistic Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Howie Long Chris LongNelson Piquet Nelson Piquet Jr. Mohammed Ali and daughter Griese and Brian Griese Those are within one second of thinking I am sure that there are hundreds of examples. Genes do count, a lot. It is not just hair color that is inherited. Let's add Duke Preston, Ruth Ruth and Willa Mays.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 When the team completely overhauls the offensive line and every player at each position is changed, 2 rookies penciled in at guard and one didn't even play guard in college, then a back up player from another team to start at center...I'd say that constitutes a rebuilding. Fans don't want to acknowledge the fact that the Bills are rebuilding again, they rebuilt after Greg Williams and again after Mike Mularkey... and now Jauron knows he didn't get it right in his first three years soooo, he started rebuilding again. What does "rebuilding" mean anyway? Every team is rebuilding some aspect of their team every year. Would you call T.O & Evans a rebuilding set of WRs? PTR
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