pBills Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Ah, nothing like the Federal government stepping in to control wages. Land of the free, indeed! I am all for fair wages. Although, I am skeptical about how the cost of prescriptions keep going up, the cost of doctors visits keep going up, etc., etc. Which all in all means the cost of my insurance coverage goes up. And yes, fear the government they are out to get everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Good Point! We should also eliminate the private sector in all hospitals and medical practices, all doctors should work for a standard set salary and should be employed by the government, that goes for all pharmaceutical companies, the idea of these companies making a profit off of the sick is down right repugnant. Because that would be purely about improving our standard of living - NOT about making a profit. While we're at it, the idea of a bank charging me what I consider to be outrageous interest rates is loathsome and the government should step in permanently and give me and many other "deserving" people affordable housing. I also think these credit card companies are all greedy, nevermind that they are losing billions of dollar and that the government is clamping down on them with more stringent regulations, they shouldn't be charging me these unfair interest rates and fees, the government should step in and take over this as well. Oil, oh Oil. Don't get me started about Oil. These evil, manipulative oil companies are ripping us off, and it is time that they stop making record profits. The government should take over the oil industry and give everyone affordable energy. Thanks for that Adam, you really enlightened me with your post, gave me a new fresh perspective on what should be done to better this country. Get off the drugs dude........Stop acting like a wingnut and twisting what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Get off the drugs dude........Stop acting like a wingnut and twisting what I said Twisting what you said? you said: Just the reason to move it out of the private sector- healthcare should be about improving our standard of living- NOT about making a profit. That same argument can be made just as easily for doctors and pharmaceutical companies. They are in the business of improving our standard of living aren't they? It is the same Moral argument. And stop telling me what to do! I like the drugs, and they like me ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Twisting what you said? you said: Just the reason to move it out of the private sector- healthcare should be about improving our standard of living- NOT about making a profit. That same argument can be made just as easily for doctors and pharmaceutical companies. They are in the business of improving our standard of living aren't they? It is the same Moral argument. And stop telling me what to do! I like the drugs, and they like me ok? Hahaha......It is more of a moral arguement when dealing with life and death issues. Basic financial issues are not life and death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Hahaha......It is more of a moral arguement when dealing with life and death issues. Basic financial issues are not life and death. OK. You have a close family member who's in advanced stage cancer. There is a treatment that will prolong his life for another 9 to 12 months that will cost $200,000. How is that not a financial decision that deals with life & death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 OK. You have a close family member who's in advanced stage cancer. There is a treatment that will prolong his life for another 9 to 12 months that will cost $200,000. How is that not a financial decision that deals with life & death? It isn't a financial decision at all, unless you put money ahead of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 It isn't a financial decision at all, unless you put money ahead of life. So again, when is my free food coming? Why can't anyone answer this simple question? Why should we be spending $1T (LOL, yeah right!) on health care, when it would be better spent on feeding the hungry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 So again, when is my free food coming? Why can't anyone answer this simple question? Why should we be spending $1T (LOL, yeah right!) on health care, when it would be better spent on feeding the hungry? If you really want to get into talking food, why are we the only country where it is cheaper to eat junk that healthy food? If America is the land of anything, it is fast food and lard butts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 OK. You have a close family member who's in advanced stage cancer. There is a treatment that will prolong his life for another 9 to 12 months that will cost $200,000. How is that not a financial decision that deals with life & death? Why do you want to kill his close family member? How could you do that? That's what wrong with health care, because people like you want to decide who lives and dies. I don't want you killing my relatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Why do you want to kill his close family member? How could you do that? That's what wrong with health care, because people like you want to decide who lives and dies. How much a year does working on a Death Panel pay? And is a federal health care plan part of the compensation package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 How much a year does working on a Death Panel pay? And is a federal health care plan part of the compensation package? 1] Most of the proposals are based on production. The more you kill the more you make. And you can make time and a half if you kill on the weekends. 2] That goes without saying. They pay 100% for everything you want, 100% of stuff you don't want, but it's crappy service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Why do you want to kill his close family member? How could you do that? That's what wrong with health care, because people like you want to decide who lives and dies. I don't want you killing my relatives. That should be left to the families Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 That should be left to the families Families should kill their family members? Why would they do that? That's worse than the government or GG Emanuel killing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 From what I understand that is part of the plan. That will, in their eyes, prompt more doctors to become a primary care physician. This isn't hard. Pushing down the pay for specialists will result in fewer specialists...you know, like surgeons. But we'll have more docs who can diagnose a bunyon. THIS IS NOT A GOOD RESULT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Families should kill their family members? Why would they do that? That's worse than the government or GG Emanuel killing them. No, they should be able to decide when enough life support is enough. A nonfunctional person with tubes in them is not a living person.....so I guess it isn't actually killing....a matter of semantics and why neither the private sector nor government should decide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I am all for fair wages. Although, I am skeptical about how the cost of prescriptions keep going up, the cost of doctors visits keep going up, etc., etc. Which all in all means the cost of my insurance coverage goes up. And yes, fear the government they are out to get everyone. Obama cut a nice deal with the drug lobby that won't help drug prices anytime soon. I'm sure you heard about this--certainly feeds more fuel into the anti-national healthcare fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 No, they should be able to decide when enough life support is enough. A nonfunctional person with tubes in them is not a living person.....so I guess it isn't actually killing....a matter of semantics and why neither the private sector nor government should decide Sorry, but that is what opponents to health care are saying. Whoever has to make decisions about gramma is killing gramma. They don't seem to care that there is nothing in any plan that puts the government in that position, only the doctor, the patient, the family and the insurance company (and peripherally the employer who decides on the insurance plan). In fact, the government is pretty much the only ones not in the decision besides the nosy neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 How much a year does working on a Death Panel pay? And is a federal health care plan part of the compensation package? You knuckle draggers on this still. John Issacson ® from GA wrote the provision. It is a counseling deal, not a death panel so cut the crap on that thing. I think it is a waste of money and should be provided for anyway as part of any DNR discussions... Not sure the government should mandate paying extra for it. But death panel... cut out the hyperbole.... it is a bunch of moronic misinformed crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Obama cut a nice deal with the drug lobby that won't help drug prices anytime soon. I'm sure you heard about this--certainly feeds more fuel into the anti-national healthcare fire. IF they cut the deal, which they may have, you don't think 80 billion (or 8 billion a year) is helping cut drug prices? Not to mention that the deal is for the White House to not oppose certain measures in the House and Senate even though the House and Senate are saying we're going to oppose this with or without the President. The alleged breakdown is: Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion. 1. Agree to increase of Medicaid rebate from 15.1 - 23.1% ($34 billion) 2. Agree to get FOBs done [for cheaper generic drugs] -- (but no agreement on details -- express disagreement on data exclusivity which both sides say does not affect the score of the legislation.) ($9 billion) 3. Sell drugs to patients in the donut hole at 50% discount ($25 billion) This totals $68 billion 4. Companies will be assessed a tax or fee that will score at $12 billion. There was no agreement as to how or on what this tax/fee will be based. Total: $80 billion I'm not sure if the deal is a good idea or not, overall, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 That should be left to the families It is except for folks who want to believe what is coming out of Faux Spews and Senator Yuck Grasshead. What the I. O. W. A acronym stands for Idiots Out Wandering Around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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