The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Recidivism: 1. repeated or habitual relapse, as into crime. 2. Psychiatry. the chronic tendency toward repetition of criminal or antisocial behavior patterns. Aside from the litany of crimes involving dog fighting, conspiracy, and gambling, let's not forget the illegal drug charges as well as the 'Ron Mexico' nonsense. He pretty much has shown himself to be a career criminal. Indeed. As far as I know, an employer is allowed to use a criminal record as a legit reason to deny employment. Allowing Vick to return to the NFL before he has shown he can operate withing the law, while a free man, is a bad idea, IMO. Suspending Vick for another year would have at least given teams the ability to evaluate his ability to stay away from trouble when he is out of jail. Any team that employs him should be very concerned about his criminal past. A poster asks, "what's up next for the guy? Killing cats?" Perhaps. Or, maybe it's running a different illegal gambling operation, finding a different way to launder money, skip paying taxes or steal. I hear there is an opening in the illegal trading of human organs. Maybe he'll become a mega-pimp, with the largest stable of whores in the Atlanta area. I don't know, for sure, but his past is filled with an assortment of illegal activity...some of it extremely sick criminal activity. What is clear is, simply making multiple millions to play in the NFL isn't enough for Vick. An employer should be concerned about what other side opportunities Vick might decide to pursue, and should be extremely concerned about having such a sick motherfuc#er be a public representative of their organization.
thebug Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 The league has let him back in, end of story. (for now)
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 The league has let him back in, end of story. (for now) In other words, the beginning of the next chapter.
thebug Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 In other words, the beginning of the next chapter. sequel
MattyT Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Recidivism: 1. repeated or habitual relapse, as into crime. 2. Psychiatry. the chronic tendency toward repetition of criminal or antisocial behavior patterns. Aside from the litany of crimes involving dog fighting, conspiracy, and gambling, let's not forget the illegal drug charges as well as the 'Ron Mexico' nonsense. He pretty much has shown himself to be a career criminal. At least he's got family to support him.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 So just a couple of questions to all in the anti-Vick camp: If the Bills DO sign him, will you root for him when he's in the game? Will you drop the standards of your personal morals if bringing him in as a gimmick/backup QB means that the playoffs might be abound? There were a LOT of T.O. haters dancing around here until T.O. was signed... I am no advocate of Michael Vick and never have been, I just don't like the guy, furthermore what he did to those dogs is atrocious and horrible, however I am not his judge nor his jury and because of that I stand on the fence about both his reinstatement and the possibility of the Bills signing him. I wouldn't hang out with the guy but also I'm not sure I would hate it if he was a Bill and if that meant a playoff birth in the wings. In today's NFL/NBA/MLB lots of teams have thugs and criminals and we tolerate it, what Vick did however stands out because of it's cruelty. I think some are more sensitive to this then others, I for one am. Michael Vick is a Son of a B word for what he did but the NFL is full of SOB's...
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 So just a couple of questions to all in the anti-Vick camp: If the Bills DO sign him, will you root for him when he's in the game? Will you drop the standards of your personal morals if bringing him in as a gimmick/backup QB means that the playoffs might be abound? There were a LOT of T.O. haters dancing around here until T.O. was signed... I am no advocate of Michael Vick and never have been, I just don't like the guy, furthermore what he did to those dogs is atrocious and horrible, however I am not his judge nor his jury and because of that I stand on the fence about both his reinstatement and the possibility of the Bills signing him. I wouldn't hang out with the guy but also I'm not sure I would hate it if he was a Bill and if that meant a playoff birth in the wings. In today's NFL/NBA/MLB lots of teams have thugs and criminals and we tolerate it, what Vick did however stands out because of it's cruelty. I think some are more sensitive to this then others, I for one am. Michael Vick is a Son of a B word for what he did but the NFL is full of SOB's... Good question. I probably will stop rooting for the Bills while he is on the team. I can handle the team employing SOB's, but not career criminals who I suspect are seriously evil human beings. It's one thing to find you have one on the team. It is quite another to actively pursue a person you know (or seriously suspect) has enormous indefensible character issues. Now, if I decide to continue to root for the Bills, I will root for Vick to succeed when he is on the field, and I don't think I can handle that. Fortunately Vick will never be a Buffalo Bill, IMO.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Good question. I probably will stop rooting for the Bills while he is on the team. I can handle the team employing SOB's, but not career criminals who I suspect are seriously evil human beings. It's one thing to find you have one on the team. It is quite another to actively pursue a person you know (or seriously suspect) has enormous indefensible character issues. Now, if I decide to continue to root for the Bills, I will root for Vick to succeed when he is on the field, and I don't think I can handle that. Fortunately Vick will never be a Buffalo Bill, IMO. How's life been Dean?
Jerry Jabber Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Lots of convicted felons make money on such things as talk radio and lecture circuit. Even Martha Stewart still makes a bundle. I am not saying I want Vick anywhere near Bills but you exaggerate too much. I exaggerate too much?? Really??!! If the average person were to get convicted of the same things Vick did, do you honestly think their employer would hire them back? Hell no!!! Do you think that person would be able get a decent job as a convicted felon? Hell no, who wants to hire a convicted felon?? It's a double standard when it comes to athlete's & celebrities. Vick is a sick scum bag that does not deserve a second chance in the NFL.
yall Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 So just a couple of questions to all in the anti-Vick camp: If the Bills DO sign him, will you root for him when he's in the game? Will you drop the standards of your personal morals if bringing him in as a gimmick/backup QB means that the playoffs might be abound? Nope. Like Dean, I'm not rooting for or supporting the Bills if he were to get signed. But also like Dean, I'm not worried about it actually happening There were a LOT of T.O. haters dancing around here until T.O. was signed... T.O. isn't a criminal. Michael Vick is a Son of a B word for what he did but the NFL is full of SOB's... Doesn't mean there should be, or that I have to like the idea of there being any on my hometown's team. Also - I'm in love with your avatar
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Nope. Like Dean, I'm not rooting for or supporting the Bills if he were to get signed. But also like Dean, I'm worried about it actually happening I believe you mean NOT worried. I'm certainly not worried. Also - I'm in love with your avatar Bong envy?
yall Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I believe you mean NOT worried. I'm certainly not worried. Bong envy? Yes "not" - good catch! Regarding the avatar, I'm just gonna say that I like it in its entirety...
Mr. WEO Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I believe I do have a constitutional right to vote, yes? Unless, of course, I am - like Michael Vick - a convicted felon. Vick has no 'right', constitutional or otherwise, to play in the NFL, period - and the level of ignorance displayed in this thread by certain individuals professing knowledge of constitutional rights and the law is highly amusing. Even more amusing is the arrogant condescension they project while demonstrating their own ignorance. Vick already had a job in the NFL and, through his own actions and consequences, forfeited that job. Discrimination does not apply, or even exist, in this case. In addition to Vick's egregious violations of the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy, the NFL specifically does not allow its players to be involved in any form of gambling, and even first-time offenders risk being banned for life. Therefore, the NFL is well within their legal rights and boundaries should they choose to ban Michael Vick for life. BTW, armchair lawyer - when an employee is justifiably terminated 'for cause', companies can and often do state that an employee is not eligible for rehire. Vick's extremely fortunate that Goodell has given him an opportunity to redeem the career that Vick himself threw away as a result of his barbaric behavior. There you go. The Senator is right---especially this zazzie guy. Look, K-9, if your point is that anyone can sue anyone for anything, I won't argue against that. But this case would be hopeless, if it was ever heard. No one has challenged the Commish. They all sign a contract which spells out the conditions under which they remain employed by the NFL. They, through thier union, have all agreed that the Commish alone sets the punishment and he alone considers the appeal. There would therefore be no basis for the suit.
Simon Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 p.s. thank you Simon. This is definitely the hardest time of the year to strike a balance between a completely open forum and riding herd on cats. As we say around these parts, 'preciate the 'preciate.
Mr. WEO Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 This is definitely the hardest time of the year to strike a balance between a completely open forum and riding herd on cats. As we say around these parts, 'preciate the 'preciate. There are 6 threads dedicated solely to TO in training camp (two started by the same person), three dedicated to TOs TV show and one titled "TO eats a bowl of cereal".
X. Benedict Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I exaggerate too much?? Really??!! If the average person were to get convicted of the same things Vick did, do you honestly think their employer would hire them back? Hell no!!! Do you think that person would be able get a decent job as a convicted felon? Hell no, who wants to hire a convicted felon?? It's a double standard when it comes to athlete's & celebrities. Vick is a sick scum bag that does not deserve a second chance in the NFL. Double standard? How many regular people are prosecuted under Conspiracy to Travel in the Aid of Unlawful Activities statutes? He was probably targeted and prosecuted precisely because he wasn't a average person.
Simon Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 There are 6 threads dedicated solely to TO in training camp (two started by the same person), three dedicated to TOs TV show and one titled "TO eats a bowl of cereal". When I look at the front page I see 3 TO threads, 1 about his TV show, 1 about his reception (no pun intended) at camp and one about his impact on the receiving corps. Considering the subject matter and the fact a couple have already been merged I don't find this number excessive enough to start making alterations to the board. And it pales in comparison to the 10-15 Vick threads that have been merged in the last 24 hours.
Mr. WEO Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 When I look at the front page I see 3 TO threads, 1 about his TV show, 1 about his reception (no pun intended) at camp and one about his impact on the receiving corps.Considering the subject matter and the fact a couple have already been merged I don't find this number excessive enough to start making alterations to the board. And it pales in comparison to the 10-15 Vick threads that have been merged in the last 24 hours. Just sayin...
BarkLessWagMore Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Good question. I probably will stop rooting for the Bills while he is on the team. I can handle the team employing SOB's, but not career criminals who I suspect are seriously evil human beings. It's one thing to find you have one on the team. It is quite another to actively pursue a person you know (or seriously suspect) has enormous indefensible character issues. Now, if I decide to continue to root for the Bills, I will root for Vick to succeed when he is on the field, and I don't think I can handle that. Fortunately Vick will never be a Buffalo Bill, IMO. From the horse's mouth, Russ Brandon confirms the Bills are not interested in Vick. Thank god.
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