zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Boo hoo. Vick signed a $130 million contract but got his jollies by torturing dogs. Race goes out the window; a moron is a moron is a moron. Yes, he was very very stupid. When you are making that kind of money.....don't break the law. Although I am certain he did not feel it was such a serious legal and moral infraction as it turned out to be. If I was an NFL team I would also put in the contract of each high dollar player that they are REQUIRED to hire a driver at 40k per annum. It is incredible that each year these guys get busted for DUI.
Lori Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 When stated as fact, no opinion is proper: That's not an opinion. The only reason I told him to keep his "opinion" to himself is because he stated it as if it were a known fact that Vick hasn't changed. I'm all for opinions, I just expect some intelligent discussion when I refute them and not a semantics battle. And I just don't share the same sentiment. "People don't change" is such a widely accepted philosophy these days. But in my opinion it's a miserable fool's way to look at life. There is no semantics battle here, just a member of the moderating staff pointing out that it's not your job to decide which opinions are acceptable to post here. (And unless someone crosses a line and violates the TOS, not our job, either.)
yall Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 OK, maybe not an exact quote, but Florence was quoted this morning on WGR (via his Twitter account) stating that he wants Vick to become a Bill. Florence also asked the fans to show up at practice today with signs campaigning for the Bills to sign Vick. Put aside for a second the fact that Vick is a total fcking scumbag, who I'm certain is a recidivist who will land his thug a$$ in jail again, isn't that a bit of a slap in the face of the starting QB on the roster? edit: This thread is meant to discuss players openly campaigning for a new QB, not specifically about Vick. The same could be said if we were talking about Favre.
Corp000085 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Vick is pretty bad for what he did to those dogs. Every time you pet your dog, remember, this guy killed him or her for sport. I don't want him near my football team because of that. There's another bigger reason why I don't want him near my team. He's an awful quarterback. That second reason should end all other discussion. He's a bad person but a worse QB. One knee injury away from being a crappy E! True Hollywood Story... Next. And to your original point, if I were the owner, I'd fine players in accordance to the NFLPA's policy for "conduct detrimental to the team" for mentioning Vick in any way shape or form. You've gotta question a guy who would want that guy as a teammate. If I were a fan going to training camp today, I wouldn't be bringing vick signs, I'd be wondering who the fvck Drayton Florence was.
yall Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Vick is pretty bad for what he did to those dogs. Every time you pet your dog, remember, this guy killed him or her for sport. I don't want him near my football team because of that. There's another bigger reason why I don't want him near my team. He's an awful quarterback. That second reason should end all other discussion. He's a bad person but a worse QB. One knee injury away from being a crappy E! True Hollywood Story... Next. And don't forget they kidnap people's pets to use as training bait for their dogs. And this went on for years. Nice guy... And to your original point, if I were the owner, I'd fine players in accordance to the NFLPA's policy for "conduct detrimental to the team" for mentioning Vick in any way shape or form. You've gotta question a guy who would want that guy as a teammate. If I were a fan going to training camp today, I wouldn't be bringing vick signs, I'd be wondering who the fvck Drayton Florence was. Back on topic - I don't know that a fine would be in order, I would just like to think guys have enough common sense not to express their desire to bring in someone to fill an already filled position. To go as far as to suggest people brings signs makes me wonder how bright Florence really is.
Cugalabanza Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 OK, maybe not an exact quote, but Florence was quoted this morning on WGR (via his Twitter account) stating that he wants Vick to become a Bill. Florence also asked the fans to show up at practice today with signs campaigning for the Bills to sign Vick. Dear Drayton, Shut your !@#$ing mouth and play football. Thanks a bunch, gringo starr p.s. Mike Vick is a piece of $#!+ and twitter is gay.
michaelfromgermany Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Vick is pretty bad for what he did to those dogs. Every time you pet your dog, remember, this guy killed him or her for sport. I don't want him near my football team because of that. There's another bigger reason why I don't want him near my team. He's an awful quarterback. That second reason should end all other discussion. He's a bad person but a worse QB. One knee injury away from being a crappy E! True Hollywood Story... Next. +1 I do not know every detail what Vick did with this poor animals. But i hate this motherf****r for that. He is one one the dumpest and stupidest guys in the world: He risked (and lost) almost hundred million dollars to watch and organize dogfights..... he is a candidate for the Darwin-Award (for the greatest Idiots in the world)
KRC Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 And don't forget they kidnap people's pets to use as training bait for their dogs. They also create their own "rescue" groups. They take in the dogs (from shelters, owner abandonment, etc) and immediately start training them to fight. They advertise as a rescue, but it is just a front.
Corp000085 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 After some wikipedia research, it turns out the Drayton Florence actually played in the NFL before. He was the moron with the chargers a few years ago that got a personal foul on a punt after they had stopped new england. Got fined for blowing up a QB too. He's not going to be playing on Jeopardy any time soon, from how that article was read! Someone should bring a rape stand to practice today and give it to Drayton during the autograph session! I'm really heated on the Vick thing lately. Something funny happened between the time that all of the Vick stuff went down a few years ago and now. I got a dog. My beagle, Bailey, is truly my best friend, and right now, besides bringing OJ back as official team ambassador, signing Vick would make me turn away from football all together till he was gone. He should go to the dolphins so we can beat him down 2 games this season.
VJ91 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Roger Goodell had the opportunity to become the "Judge Landis" of NFL commissioners this past week. He had the opportuntity to "just say no" to criminals playing football in the NFL. By telling Vick that because he served time in prison, he will be banned from the NFL for life, he could have sent a landmark message to all future ignorant spoiled criminals who just happend to be elite athletes, that the NFL will not tolerate them. But he caved into the popular liberal opinion that Vick had "paid his debts to society" and deserved another chance to make a living in the NFL. My question to Goodell is, now that Vick has been reinstated, what message are you sending? Donte Stallworth only spent 24 days behind bars, so obviously you must allow him and his manslaughter conviction back into the NFL. And of course Plaxico Burress only shot himself with his illegal handgun, so after he gets out of the big house in a year or two, you will be forced to throw him a welcome back party too. In fact, there is really no crime that you can say will ban an NFL player from every playing again in the NFL, as long as he still has some career left in him after his jail sentence is up, right?? Here's another question for our big hearted commissioner. Who is he to give Marshawn Lynch a three game suspension, when a convicted criminal who served almost 2 years in jail only received a 6 game suspension? If I were Marshawn Lynches lawyers, I would sue the commissioner and the NFL right now. And those 4 game suspensions for failing those drug tests a second time? You have got to be kdding right commissioner? Why should any NFL player be suspended at all for smoking a little pot or taking some steioids, when the convicted felons who serve time in jail are allowed to play again in the NFL after just 6 game suspensions?? No "penalties" handed down by Roger Goodell make any logical sense to me any longer, after this insane Vick decision. To me, Roger Goodell and the NFL are saying it does not matter what you do off the field anymore, as long as you still have talent and we can earn money from that talent, just serve your time in prison and come back to us as soon as you can. The players union should have a real picnic with Goodell the very next time he tries to suspend a player for anything they do that is less serious then prison!
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Roger Goodell had the opportunity to become the "Judge Landis" of NFL commissioners this past week. He had the opportuntity to "just say no" to criminals playing football in the NFL. By telling Vick that because he served time in prison, he will be banned from the NFL for life, he could have sent a landmark message to all future ignorant spoiled criminals who just happend to be elite athletes, that the NFL will not tolerate them. But he caved into the popular liberal opinion that Vick had "paid his debts to society" and deserved another chance to make a living in the NFL. My question to Goodell is, now that Vick has been reinstated, what message are you sending? Donte Stallworth only spent 24 days behind bars, so obviously you must allow him and his manslaughter conviction back into the NFL. And of course Plaxico Burress only shot himself with his illegal handgun, so after he gets out of the big house in a year or two, you will be forced to throw him a welcome back party too. In fact, there is really no crime that you can say will ban an NFL player from every playing again in the NFL, as long as he still has some career left in him after his jail sentence is up, right?? Here's another question for our big hearted commissioner. Who is he to give Marshawn Lynch a three game suspension, when a convicted criminal who served almost 2 years in jail only received a 6 game suspension? If I were Marshawn Lynches lawyers, I would sue the commissioner and the NFL right now. And those 4 game suspensions for failing those drug tests a second time? You have got to be kdding right commissioner? Why should any NFL player be suspended at all for smoking a little pot or taking some steioids, when the convicted felons who serve time in jail are allowed to play again in the NFL after just 6 game suspensions?? No "penalties" handed down by Roger Goodell make any logical sense to me any longer, after this insane Vick decision. To me, Roger Goodell and the NFL are saying it does not matter what you do off the field anymore, as long as you still have talent and we can earn money from that talent, just serve your time in prison and come back to us as soon as you can. The players union should have a real picnic with Goodell the very next time he tries to suspend a player for anything they do that is less serious then prison! Ray Lewis murdering someone was the one that basically said no crime was too much. Vick would have and could have sued Goodell (and won handily) if he was given a lifetime ban. Get over yourself
Corp000085 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 As much as I despise Vick, he did pay his debt to society for what he did. He's out of jail, a free man. As much as I hate it, I say let him play. Just not for my team. The other factor here is public opinion. What team in their right mind would sign the guy? Can you even begin to imagine the backlash? As for Lynch, I'd be pleased if it was appealed down to a 1 game suspension.
nucci Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 There are a lot of Vick lovers on this board. It is nice to finally read some rational thoughts. I can't believe people defend him after what he did to those dogs. I can almost forgive the dog fighting but the torture and killing shows there is something mentally wrong with him. I don't think he feels he did anything wrong. I am a bit biased as I have had dogs in my family my whole life and my sister does dog rescues.
ans4e64 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Whatever team Vick goes to, he won't sniff a starting QB role. Everyone knows that, including Florence. This has nothing to do with Trent, it is about adding another playmaker, not QB.
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 As much as I despise Vick, he did pay his debt to society for what he did. He's out of jail, a free man. As much as I hate it, I say let him play. Just not for my team. The other factor here is public opinion. What team in their right mind would sign the guy? Can you even begin to imagine the backlash? As for Lynch, I'd be pleased if it was appealed down to a 1 game suspension. I have the feeling that the first bold is what the public will come around to sooner rather than later.
Captain Caveman Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Whatever team Vick goes to, he won't sniff a starting QB role. Everyone knows that, including Florence. This has nothing to do with Trent, it is about adding another playmaker, not QB. +1
Corp000085 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 I have the feeling that the first bold is what the public will come around to sooner rather than later. Well PETA is a terrorist organization... tax exempt too, but that's for PPP... If some pro life guy is stupid enough to snipe someone... well, you know the rest...
yall Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Whatever team Vick goes to, he won't sniff a starting QB role. Everyone knows that, including Florence. This has nothing to do with Trent, it is about adding another playmaker, not QB. What role would he play? I don't see him lining up as a WR or RB. If he weren't the starter he would only see the field on gadget plays. I'm sure some team will give him the chance to compete for the starting QB job. It just had damn well not be Buffalo.
ans4e64 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 What role would he play? I don't see him lining up as a WR or RB. If he weren't the starter he would only see the field on gadget plays. I'm sure some team will give him the chance to compete for the starting QB job. It just had damn well not be Buffalo. That's exactly what he'd do. He'll come in for a few plays a game and run the wildcat. A creative team would line him up in different positions all over the field and utilize his talent. He's not going to come in, 2 years out of the league, and be a standard drop back QB. It's just not going to happen.
K-9 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Ray Lewis murdering someone was the one that basically said no crime was too much. Vick would have and could have sued Goodell (and won handily) if he was given a lifetime ban. Get over yourself That's a good point in all this. If push came to shove Vick could sue the NFL and he would win in court. The NFL has been challenged many times and lost. The commish is powerful but he's not above the constitutional right Vick has to pursue employment. The NFL would lose handily. The whole 6 game thing is arbitrary. It's all about PR and not having Vick to distract from the opening of the season. I'm guessing Goodell will lesson the number of games in the suspension as well. GO BILLS!!!
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