JP and Jim Fassel and DJ

[zazie]

A good test of DJs coaching will be seeing how JP progresses in Vegas with Jim Fassel coaching him. If he does well, and gets back to the NFL and has even a moderately successful career from here, that will say plenty about DJs coaching ability or lack thereof.

 

IF he still sucks, then, I guess he just sucks and maybe DJ just had the bad luck to be saddled with an unable 1st round QB for several years. And a weak armed injury-prone 3rd round QB thereafter.

 

Somehow, call me crazy, I think JP will step up and be back in the league 2010 and do well. Fassel will coach him up and he will respond.

 

I certainly wish that for him he is a good person and still supports Buffalo by living downtown to this day.

 

Hopefully TE will be able to do well this year for us (despite DJ) too.

[prissythecat]

A good test of DJs coaching will be seeing how JP progresses in Vegas with Jim Fassel coaching him. If he does well, and gets back to the NFL and has even a moderately successful career from here, that will say plenty about DJs coaching ability or lack thereof.

 

IF he still sucks, then, I guess he just sucks and maybe DJ just had the bad luck to be saddled with an unable 1st round QB for several years. And a weak armed injury-prone 3rd round QB thereafter.

 

Somehow, call me crazy, I think JP will step up and be back in the league 2010 and do well. Fassel will coach him up and he will respond.

 

I certainly wish that for him he is a good person and still supports Buffalo by living downtown to this day.

 

Hopefully TE will be able to do well this year for us (despite DJ) too.

 

 

Does a head coach really spend a lot of time working with a QB? Sam Wyche spent quite a bit of time working with JP as I recall when he was still our quarterbacks coach. And Sam Wyche was not a slouch as a coach...

[zazie]

Does a head coach really spend a lot of time working with a QB? Sam Wyche spent quite a bit of time working with JP as I recall when he was still our quarterbacks coach. And Sam Wyche was not a slouch as a coach...

I think Fassel will spend plenty of time with TE he probably only has a couple of assistants.

 

If DJ did not spend time with JP, maybe he should have.....

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

A good test of DJs coaching will be seeing how JP progresses in Vegas with Jim Fassel coaching him. If he does well, and gets back to the NFL and has even a moderately successful career from here, that will say plenty about DJs coaching ability or lack thereof.

 

IF he still sucks, then, I guess he just sucks and maybe DJ just had the bad luck to be saddled with an unable 1st round QB for several years. And a weak armed injury-prone 3rd round QB thereafter.

 

Somehow, call me crazy, I think JP will step up and be back in the league 2010 and do well. Fassel will coach him up and he will respond.

 

I certainly wish that for him he is a good person and still supports Buffalo by living downtown to this day.

 

Hopefully TE will be able to do well this year for us (despite DJ) too.

 

What about the variable of JP going up against UFL competition instead of NFL-level competition? That is a huge difference. I fully expcet him to do well in the UFL--but are the defenses going to be as fast, complex, etc.?

[Hanoverbills]

Does a head coach really spend a lot of time working with a QB? Sam Wyche spent quite a bit of time working with JP as I recall when he was still our quarterbacks coach. And Sam Wyche was not a slouch as a coach...

If you go back and look at Losman stats his first three years, he showed improvement each year and the last two years he got worst. Even in the win colume. Went from 5 wins in 2005 to 7 wins in 2006 and thats with a tougher schedule. How many wins did we have the last two years with easier schedules. When was the last year Sam Wyche was here?

[zazie]

What about the variable of JP going up against UFL competition instead of NFL-level competition? That is a huge difference. I fully expcet him to do well in the UFL--but are the defenses going to be as fast, complex, etc.?

Yeah thats why I specified IF jp plays his way back into the NFL and does ok.

 

UFL vs/. NFL clearly no comparison - JP is the UFL marquee player!!

[VJ91]

...Somehow, call me crazy, I think JP will step up and be back in the league 2010 and do well. Fassel will coach him up and he will respond....

 

No problem, you're crazy.

 

Lost-man's natural ability and talent would have won the day no matter who was coaching him. Why do you think the NFL's coaches and GM's didn't even rate him as one of the best 96 QB's available?? Nobody even offered him a contract to compete for as little as the 3rd guy.

 

And although I have no idea what this little 4 team league is supposed to be, based on the fact their season is over in October, it could end up being an "injury-feeder" league for the NFL. Lost-man should absolutely get signed this season because there will be some QB injuries by then. However, even if that happens, I would not expect two months with Jim Fassell to turn him into a starting NFL QB anytime soon!

[zazie]

No problem, you're crazy.

 

Lost-man's natural ability and talent would have won the day no matter who was coaching him. Why do you think the NFL's coaches and GM's didn't even rate him as one of the best 96 QB's available?? Nobody even offered him a contract to compete for as little as the 3rd guy.

 

And although I have no idea what this little 4 team league is supposed to be, based on the fact their season is over in October, it could end up being an "injury-feeder" league for the NFL. Lost-man should absolutely get signed this season because there will be some QB injuries by then. However, even if that happens, I would not expect two months with Jim Fassell to turn him into a starting NFL QB anytime soon!

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Yeah, Losman did suck it up bad when he was a Bill.

 

I'll be watching Mike Williams this year, too

[Albany,n.y.]

This thread, headed by the original post is a classic example of why some people have labled me & others "JP haters". Guess what, we're not JP haters, we're stupidity haters. I have nothing against JP other than he wasn't good enough to play in the NFL and retarded the Bills progress. However, I have a huge problem with posts like the opening one.

Here are my points:

 

32 NFL teams determined that they have better, cheaper, smarter, whatever better QBs on their roster than JP. That's 0 for 32. The worst teams in the league passed on JP because they felt someone else in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string spots gave their team a better chance than JP.

 

JP signed with a minor league team. Just because he's coached by a former NFL head coach-who was subsequently let go as an offensive coordinator by one of his closest friends and couldn't get a real shot at another NFL HC spot-it doesn't make the level of competition anywhere near the NFL level. It's a 4 team league that's going to be filled by rejects. If JP plays well, it proves nothing. It's like one of you going out and asking to play in your 5 year old's game. If you play well, you better not start dreaming of an NFL career.

 

Speaking of minor leagues, Gibran Hamdan played so well in NFL Europa that he was the MVP in 2006. That year he completed 63% of his passes and had 12/3 tds /ints. After his MVP season he then got waived by 3 more teams and eventually landed on the Bills. The main reason he's been able to stick with the Bills is because he's best buds with the starting QB and helps him out on the sidelines. If he was as distant with Edwards on the sidelines as JP was last year, he wouldn't have been invited back. Just look at what the Bills did early on in free agency-they didn't ever think of Hamdan as a possible #2, they went out & signed another QB for #2. Point: Minor league stats don't mean a lot when it comes to NFL teams evaluating players.

 

The more JP Losman played, the worse he got. It's no coincidence that he had his best year in the middle of the one year he was a full time starter. JP got in some decent games against some bad teams & his supporters were all claiming he turned the corner. Once D coordinators got some film on the guy, his career was over. He had one good play in the 2006 season finale and was bad the rest of the game.

 

The original post is typical of all the nonsense we've seen from the JP die hards over the years. The nuts jobs have subjected us to these gems over the years:

JP has had too many coaches, systems etc-guess what-he's now in another new system, coaching staff etc. Do we even know who his QB coach will be? The only thing we do know is if the guy's a UFL QB coach, no NFL team wanted him. So I guess they'll have anothe built in excuse if he doesn't dominate the 5 year olds.

JP was screwed because the coaches didn't like him. Mularkey realized early that he wasn't going to win with JP. His entire locker room was torn up by veterans demanding JP be replaced. He chose Holcomb in an attempt to win & all the JP fans went nuts & because the subsequent QBs don't have the gun JP has (which is NEVER a guarantee of NFL success) keep labeling his fellow QBs "noodle arms". When Jauron came in and gave JP the job , mainly because there were no other competent QBs on the roster (the Nall signing didn't pan out & they were stuck with JP), he & his staff soon realized something was missing. They looked at JP, rightfully so, as a guy who you're always looking to replace-sort of like Keith Ellison at the QB position.

Finally the dumbest conspiracy theory came from the JP fans: In 2007 the Bills chose not to play JP because it would increase his salary by millions for the 2008 season. This one was so crazy-they never understood that if JP had met the incentives he would have been waived. There was no way the Bills were going to pay him $5 million as a backup. A similar conspiracy was the Bills didn't want JP to be in the position to demand a long term $60-70 million contract. That, when they had already figured out JP was never going to justify ever demanding big $.

[zazie]

This thread, headed by the original post is a classic example of why some people have labled me & others "JP haters". Guess what, we're not JP haters, we're stupidity haters. I have nothing against JP other than he wasn't good enough to play in the NFL and retarded the Bills progress. However, I have a huge problem with posts like the opening one.

Here are my points:

 

32 NFL teams determined that they have better, cheaper, smarter, whatever better QBs on their roster than JP. That's 0 for 32. The worst teams in the league passed on JP because they felt someone else in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string spots gave their team a better chance than JP.

 

JP signed with a minor league team. Just because he's coached by a former NFL head coach-who was subsequently let go as an offensive coordinator by one of his closest friends and couldn't get a real shot at another NFL HC spot-it doesn't make the level of competition anywhere near the NFL level. It's a 4 team league that's going to be filled by rejects. If JP plays well, it proves nothing. It's like one of you going out and asking to play in your 5 year old's game. If you play well, you better not start dreaming of an NFL career.

 

Speaking of minor leagues, Gibran Hamdan played so well in NFL Europa that he was the MVP in 2006. That year he completed 63% of his passes and had 12/3 tds /ints. After his MVP season he then got waived by 3 more teams and eventually landed on the Bills. The main reason he's been able to stick with the Bills is because he's best buds with the starting QB and helps him out on the sidelines. If he was as distant with Edwards on the sidelines as JP was last year, he wouldn't have been invited back. Just look at what the Bills did early on in free agency-they didn't ever think of Hamdan as a possible #2, they went out & signed another QB for #2. Point: Minor league stats don't mean a lot when it comes to NFL teams evaluating players.

 

The more JP Losman played, the worse he got. It's no coincidence that he had his best year in the middle of the one year he was a full time starter. JP got in some decent games against some bad teams & his supporters were all claiming he turned the corner. Once D coordinators got some film on the guy, his career was over. He had one good play in the 2006 season finale and was bad the rest of the game.

 

The original post is typical of all the nonsense we've seen from the JP die hards over the years. The nuts jobs have subjected us to these gems over the years:

JP has had too many coaches, systems etc-guess what-he's now in another new system, coaching staff etc. Do we even know who his QB coach will be? The only thing we do know is if the guy's a UFL QB coach, no NFL team wanted him. So I guess they'll have anothe built in excuse if he doesn't dominate the 5 year olds.

JP was screwed because the coaches didn't like him. Mularkey realized early that he wasn't going to win with JP. His entire locker room was torn up by veterans demanding JP be replaced. He chose Holcomb in an attempt to win & all the JP fans went nuts & because the subsequent QBs don't have the gun JP has (which is NEVER a guarantee of NFL success) keep labeling his fellow QBs "noodle arms". When Jauron came in and gave JP the job , mainly because there were no other competent QBs on the roster (the Nall signing didn't pan out & they were stuck with JP), he & his staff soon realized something was missing. They looked at JP, rightfully so, as a guy who you're always looking to replace-sort of like Keith Ellison at the QB position.

Finally the dumbest conspiracy theory came from the JP fans: In 2007 the Bills chose not to play JP because it would increase his salary by millions for the 2008 season. This one was so crazy-they never understood that if JP had met the incentives he would have been waived. There was no way the Bills were going to pay him $5 million as a backup. A similar conspiracy was the Bills didn't want JP to be in the position to demand a long term $60-70 million contract. That, when they had already figured out JP was never going to justify ever demanding big $.

 

 

But, how do you really feel?

[Flbillsfan#1]

This thread, headed by the original post is a classic example of why some people have labled me & others "JP haters". Guess what, we're not JP haters, we're stupidity haters. I have nothing against JP other than he wasn't good enough to play in the NFL and retarded the Bills progress. However, I have a huge problem with posts like the opening one.

Here are my points:

 

32 NFL teams determined that they have better, cheaper, smarter, whatever better QBs on their roster than JP. That's 0 for 32. The worst teams in the league passed on JP because they felt someone else in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string spots gave their team a better chance than JP.

 

JP signed with a minor league team. Just because he's coached by a former NFL head coach-who was subsequently let go as an offensive coordinator by one of his closest friends and couldn't get a real shot at another NFL HC spot-it doesn't make the level of competition anywhere near the NFL level. It's a 4 team league that's going to be filled by rejects. If JP plays well, it proves nothing. It's like one of you going out and asking to play in your 5 year old's game. If you play well, you better not start dreaming of an NFL career.

 

Speaking of minor leagues, Gibran Hamdan played so well in NFL Europa that he was the MVP in 2006. That year he completed 63% of his passes and had 12/3 tds /ints. After his MVP season he then got waived by 3 more teams and eventually landed on the Bills. The main reason he's been able to stick with the Bills is because he's best buds with the starting QB and helps him out on the sidelines. If he was as distant with Edwards on the sidelines as JP was last year, he wouldn't have been invited back. Just look at what the Bills did early on in free agency-they didn't ever think of Hamdan as a possible #2, they went out & signed another QB for #2. Point: Minor league stats don't mean a lot when it comes to NFL teams evaluating players.

 

The more JP Losman played, the worse he got. It's no coincidence that he had his best year in the middle of the one year he was a full time starter. JP got in some decent games against some bad teams & his supporters were all claiming he turned the corner. Once D coordinators got some film on the guy, his career was over. He had one good play in the 2006 season finale and was bad the rest of the game.

 

The original post is typical of all the nonsense we've seen from the JP die hards over the years. The nuts jobs have subjected us to these gems over the years:

JP has had too many coaches, systems etc-guess what-he's now in another new system, coaching staff etc. Do we even know who his QB coach will be? The only thing we do know is if the guy's a UFL QB coach, no NFL team wanted him. So I guess they'll have anothe built in excuse if he doesn't dominate the 5 year olds.

JP was screwed because the coaches didn't like him. Mularkey realized early that he wasn't going to win with JP. His entire locker room was torn up by veterans demanding JP be replaced. He chose Holcomb in an attempt to win & all the JP fans went nuts & because the subsequent QBs don't have the gun JP has (which is NEVER a guarantee of NFL success) keep labeling his fellow QBs "noodle arms". When Jauron came in and gave JP the job , mainly because there were no other competent QBs on the roster (the Nall signing didn't pan out & they were stuck with JP), he & his staff soon realized something was missing. They looked at JP, rightfully so, as a guy who you're always looking to replace-sort of like Keith Ellison at the QB position.

Finally the dumbest conspiracy theory came from the JP fans: In 2007 the Bills chose not to play JP because it would increase his salary by millions for the 2008 season. This one was so crazy-they never understood that if JP had met the incentives he would have been waived. There was no way the Bills were going to pay him $5 million as a backup. A similar conspiracy was the Bills didn't want JP to be in the position to demand a long term $60-70 million contract. That, when they had already figured out JP was never going to justify ever demanding big $.

This particular post is an example of the reason you have been labeled a HATER. To compare the UFL to your 5 year olds game is just STUPID. Did you know each NFL team will have 10 fewer players in training camp this year than in years past? Those 10 players will get a chance to play in the UFL & some will make an NFL roster later this year. JP was screwed because of the NUMBER of different coaches he had as a Bill. He could have accepted a job as a back up in the NFL, but chose to go to the UFL to further develop his game & get playing time rather than sit on a bench.

[zazie]

This particular post is an example of the reason you have been labeled a HATER. To compare the UFL to your 5 year olds game is just STUPID. Did you know each NFL team will have 10 fewer players in training camp this year than in years past? Those 10 players will get a chance to play in the UFL & some will make an NFL roster later this year. JP was screwed because of the NUMBER of different coaches he had as a Bill. He could have accepted a job as a back up in the NFL, but chose to go to the UFL to further develop his game & get playing time rather than sit on a bench.

not too sure about that one; I don't think anyone contacted him. He would have jumped at it; the vet minimum money is way more than the 50k or so he will get from the UFL...

 

And yes, it IS all about the money.

[nuklz2594]

Didn't Fassell have Collins as his qb for the Super Bowl against he Ravens?

[Flbillsfan#1]

not too sure about that one; I don't think anyone contacted him. He would have jumped at it; the vet minimum money is way more than the 50k or so he will get from the UFL...

 

And yes, it IS all about the money.

It was reported he was contacted by 4 teams to be a back up. He was not offered a chance to start. If he decided to be a back up forever he could have chosen to sign with an NFL team. By signing with the UFL he will get a chance to further develop (which he needs to do) and PLAY which will both help his development & give teams a chance to see him rather than sit on an NFL teams bench. He will make MUCH more money in the long run if he can regain a starters job in the NFL than he would as a career back up.

[/dev/null]

It was reported he was contacted by 4 teams to be a back up. He was not offered a chance to start. If he decided to be a back up forever he could have chosen to sign with an NFL team. By signing with the UFL he will get a chance to further develop (which he needs to do) and PLAY which will both help his development & give teams a chance to see him rather than sit on an NFL teams bench. He will make MUCH more money in the long run if he can regain a starters job in the NFL than he would as a career back up.

 

The reports were that JP was contacted by 4 teams. Was he offered a contract? Was he asked to come for a tryout or a physical?

 

My next question is one I don't think very many people have asked or even considered. The prevailing wisdom around here is that JP will light up the scoreboard in 6 games in the UFL and return to the NFL as a starter. What if JPs performance in the UFL is comparable to his performance in the NFL? Or worse, what if JP can't handle the UFL? Will it be Jim Fassel's fault or the people of Las Vegas?

[zazie]

The reports were that JP was contacted by 4 teams. Was he offered a contract? Was he asked to come for a tryout or a physical?

 

My next question is one I don't think very many people have asked or even considered. The prevailing wisdom around here is that JP will light up the scoreboard in 6 games in the UFL and return to the NFL as a starter. What if JPs performance in the UFL is comparable to his performance in the NFL? Or worse, what if JP can't handle the UFL? Will it be Jim Fassel's fault or the people of Las Vegas?

Let's just blame DJ if he fails in the UFL. Easy enough

[VJ91]

Didn't Fassell have Collins as his qb for the Super Bowl against he Ravens?

 

Why, yes he did. And I think I remembered Kerry throwing multiple ints and getting sacked at crucial times, leading to a lop-sided loss to Baltimore in that SB. That said, the defense of the Ravens that season may very well have done the same thing to Joe Montana in his prime.

[Flbillsfan#1]

The reports were that JP was contacted by 4 teams. Was he offered a contract? Was he asked to come for a tryout or a physical?

 

My next question is one I don't think very many people have asked or even considered. The prevailing wisdom around here is that JP will light up the scoreboard in 6 games in the UFL and return to the NFL as a starter. What if JPs performance in the UFL is comparable to his performance in the NFL? Or worse, what if JP can't handle the UFL? Will it be Jim Fassel's fault or the people of Las Vegas?

There were no contract talks because he did not want to accept a back up role. JP is definitely rolling the dice, taking a huge gamble on his career. If he does not play well in the UFL I doubt he is offered a back up job after that.

[Albany,n.y.]

This particular post is an example of the reason you have been labeled a HATER. To compare the UFL to your 5 year olds game is just STUPID. Did you know each NFL team will have 10 fewer players in training camp this year than in years past? Those 10 players will get a chance to play in the UFL & some will make an NFL roster later this year. JP was screwed because of the NUMBER of different coaches he had as a Bill. He could have accepted a job as a back up in the NFL, but chose to go to the UFL to further develop his game & get playing time rather than sit on a bench.

Yes I am a HATER of dumb@sses, not of JP. Right now I'd have to say you're vying for the king of the dumb@sses, with your response. See let me explain a few things-I didn't compare the UFL to 5 year olds-I compared JP in the UFL with an adult (probably with no football skills, like me) playing with a bunch of kids, my statement said just because you (the adult) plays well vs the kids, don't go thinking you can play in the NFL. If JP plays ok in the UFL (see Hamdan NFLE) it means nothing. In other words, minor league stats don't equal NFL jobs. As far as my 2nd use of the 5 year olds in the post, it was a carryover-ever watch something where something referred to 20 minutes earlier is brought back for comedic effect? After watching the 5 year sitcom of JP at QB, that's what I was doing. You have to be pretty STUPID to think I was actually comparing adult minor leaguers to 5 year old kids.

As far as the # of coaches. The NUMBER has to increase by at least 2 if JP's so called "plan" works out. If he's been screwed by the # the Bills had, exactly how is more inconsistency in 2 more entirely brand new systems going to "unscrew" JP?

Your premise that JP CHOSE to to play in a minor league rather than accept a back up job in the NFL is absurd, especially since you believe having multiple coaches screwed him. It would make a lot more sense for him to learn a system and show a team something in exhibition games & practice than going to a SIX GAME league. If they do have any exhibitions (they haven't even announced their regular season schedule yet & it's getting kind of late) I doubt they'll have enough structure to help JP settle into the system he'll be using for an entire six game schedule. If JP was seriously trying to develop his game, which after 5 NFL bust seasons is pretty much a lost cause (look at the history of busts & see how many, if any developed their game after 5 years-especially in the salary cap era), he'd have gone to the CFL where they play a lot more than 6 games. The UFL season is not much more than the NFL exhibition season-JP will play 1 more regular season game than the Bills play preseason games. The bottom line is if JP could have signed anywhere other than the UFL, he should have or would have. Should have if there was a chance, would have if (a big if) after stupidly shunning backup offers, the only place left was the UFL.

[Albany,n.y.]

There were no contract talks because he did not want to accept a back up role. JP is definitely rolling the dice, taking a huge gamble on his career. If he does not play well in the UFL I doubt he is offered a back up job after that.

So say JP lights it up like Hamdan NFLE 2006-what's the NFL going to offer? A back up spot

If you are right than JP is even dumber than you!