The Dean Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Asked a black man for ID, in his own home. Isn't that enough? Thought I'd fix that up, a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Do you really not understand the idea of racial profiling? You mean because it's not a viable tactic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Of course, there are better and worse ways of asking for ID. If a cop knocked on my door right now, and said "Excuse me, but we got a report of a break-in here...", I'd probably volunteer my ID before he asked for it, since there's no sense wasting my time and his. If, on the other hand, he shows up at my door combatative and abrasive, he's far more likely to get a "Get the !@#$ off my property." What he's NOT going to get, though, is me following him as he walks away, continuing to swear at him. Unless I actually want to be beat down. Seriously, I would never be so stupid. I have known lots of cops and pissing them off was never a good idea. Even the ones I knew. My point was mainly about how most should be condemning this period. Mouthing off to a cop on your own land is not a cause for arrest. Not even if you follow them out the door. From what I have read, Gates is an ass. The conservatives on this board who agree with these tactics have convinced me it is a serious issue though. I can see the liberals going for the idea more easily than conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I lived in/bordering a 99% black area, and I would be asked to show ID at times. There were major drugs around, and I am sure the cops were just making sure I belonged and wasn't up to funny business. 30 seconds of co-operation and all is well. I have also had the cops stop and shine a spotlight on me next to my own home. You see, I understood that by me smoking a butt on the side of a poorly lit house at 2 in the morning....to a cop on patrol it may look like I was up to no good. I give a half-ass salute with the cig, wander towards the front of the house...and they move on without a question. Some people just need to be a-holes. That's because your white. I love playing cards. The race card is my favorite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Thought I'd fix that up, a little. Asked a black man for ID, in his own home, after a reported break-in with two possible black burglary suspects at the residence. Isn't that enough? Thought I'd fix that up a little further for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 That's because your white. Actually the spotlight allowed the cop to easily read his "End of the World" sandwich board so he was more readily recognized as the neighborhood nutjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Actually the spotlight allowed the cop to easily read his "End of the World" sandwich board so he was more readily recognized as the neighborhood nutjob. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I lived in/bordering a 99% black area, and I would be asked to show ID at times. There were major drugs around, and I am sure the cops were just making sure I belonged and wasn't up to funny business. 30 seconds of co-operation and all is well. I have also had the cops stop and shine a spotlight on me next to my own home. You see, I understood that by me smoking a butt on the side of a poorly lit house at 2 in the morning....to a cop on patrol it may look like I was up to no good. I give a half-ass salute with the cig, wander towards the front of the house...and they move on without a question. Some people just need to be a-holes. Were you ever asked to step outside your own home because of a burglary? (Surprise --- your the main suspect at this point) And after giving a reasonable explanation (I live here) a policeman follows you into your own kitchen? I don't think most men would be deferential - in fact most men aren't ---- I think there is some very Darwinian territoriality in play - Ask any cop - going into somebody's home is the most dangerous thing they can do Was the policemen racist ? ....probably more embarrassed than anything........ Maybe you expect a certain level of deference and civility in this situation by the suspect? He was after all the suspect? But I tell you something - if this guy isn't famous with some knowledge of the legal system and access to a lawyer - he probably spends the night in jail, posts bail and goes to court. with a sh------- defender. and loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Lieutenant Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 What he's NOT going to get, though, is me following him as he walks away, continuing to swear at him. Unless I actually want to be beat down. When did asking for an officer's name become "swearing"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 You mean because it's not a viable tactic? No, because I find it absolutely astounding that anyone would ask that question regardless of the tactic's viability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Asked a black man for ID, in his own home, after a reported break-in with two possible black burglary suspects at the residence. Isn't that enough? Thought I'd fix that up a little further for you. man, that is just flat out racism! Don't you know your supposed to take a brother at there word? Stupid crackers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Actually the spotlight allowed the cop to easily read his "End of the World" sandwich board so he was more readily recognized as the neighborhood nutjob. Oh sh--, it is that guy! He talked and talked and talked the last time we came near him, let's check out Tim Hortons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 He says that's exactly what he did. Who are you going to believe? I'm not sure, myself. I'm less likely to believe the guy who was ranting and screaming for no apparent reason. Doesn't seem too likely that he calmly produced his ID when asked if he was in a rage only moments later. Dean suggested that we stop hiding behind b.s. language when discussing race issues and I agree. I find it pretty easy to predict what happened. He was belligerent with the police right from the get go, pulling out his 'I'm a Harvard big-shot and friends with Obama and you're a peon cop so how dare you ask me what I'm doing here' attitude, and then when asked for ID pulled out the 'I'm being hassled because I'm black' hissy-fit. Dude sounds like a a-hole who deserved to end up in cuffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Everyone is so busy chastising the officer that virtually no one (other than you, so far as I can tell) has offered up the simple fact that if Gates just turned his ID over when he was first asked, there's a good chance none of us would be having this discussion today. Well he did arrest the guy identified as the legal resident on dumb charge that could have sent him to jail for months. Good police work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 That's because your white. I love playing cards. The race card is my favorite! Now...when I am at the Quickie Mart in So Fla at 1 AM and waiting outside for my friend...and a cop asks what I am doing there....and I tell him...and he asks for ID....I show him. I know he is profiling ME because I am WHITE...and what is a white boy doing loitering outside at 1 AM in an all black neighborhood? He almost HAS to be looking for DRUGS. I could get pissed and say what right do you have...all I am doing is waiting on a 12 pack from inside....but I get the drift. There are plenty of jerkoff cops, but don't give them the chance to be. To me the story behind this isn't that the guy is black in a white neighborhood....it is that he is a liberal flamer from academia that leads me to believe he is in the wrong most likely. I know blacks get profiled...and if it was Leon Six Pack getting pulled over in his car for no reason, I would have sympathy. There is a police call to this guy's house....he fits the profile of a possible break-in...(black/white/purple)....when you are playing with the lock and can't get in, all the time while having some bags on the porch....it is not a typical lazy-day sipping iced tea out on your front stoop. It looks conspicuous. If Obama uses a primetime press conference to claim foul....he is just exposing himself as Mickey Mouse. Just say "let the proper local channels handle it". But since he is proving to be a micromanager to the greatest extent...he couldn't help himself but to jump in. Not to mention the "cool, in-touch" factor he needs to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Dude sounds like a a-hole who deserved to end up in cuffs. That's probably what the cop thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'm less likely to believe the guy who was ranting and screaming for no apparent reason. Doesn't seem too likely that he calmly produced his ID when asked if he was in a rage only moments later. Dean suggested that we stop hiding behind b.s. language when discussing race issues and I agree. I find it pretty easy to predict what happened. He was belligerent with the police right from the get go, pulling out his 'I'm a Harvard big-shot and friends with Obama and you're a peon cop so how dare you ask me what I'm doing here' attitude, and then when asked for ID pulled out the 'I'm being hassled because I'm black' hissy-fit. Dude sounds like a a-hole who deserved to end up in cuffs. I pretty much agree up to the point of he deserved to be in cuffs. But being able to understand why a guy like that would feel like it was racial profiling is not the same as condoning it. It's called "empathy". IMO, three things simultaneously went on. Gates was being a dick AND he genuinely believed it was only because he was black AND the cop was a prick and didn't take kindly to being yelled at. But it's easy to see why this guy opened up his door, saw a cop there who said show me some ID there are reports of a break-in, Gates said "This is my house", and when the officer said "Show me some ID, sir", Gates immediately thought you wouldn't be thinking I broke into this house if I was a white guy. And he was probably right. Again, Gates didnt have to be a dick about it, but neither did the cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Lieutenant Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I find it pretty easy to predict what happened. He was belligerent with the police right from the get go, pulling out his 'I'm a Harvard big-shot and friends with Obama and you're a peon cop so how dare you ask me what I'm doing here' attitude, and then when asked for ID pulled out the 'I'm being hassled because I'm black' hissy-fit. Dude sounds like a a-hole who deserved to end up in cuffs. So what you're saying is that you want an authoritarian police force which hauls in anyone that they perceive is addressing them with even the slightest disrespect or exasperation to their intonation? Hilarious. I'm surprised guys like you spend so much time railing on socialism and communism since you always go out of your way to excuse police brutality, want to give the government the right to torture, don't believe we should live up to our treaties, and condone invading sovereign nations that have never attacked us. It sounds to me like the U.S.S.R would be your wet dream! And by the way, how can you predict something that already happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Again, Gates didnt have to be a dick about it, but neither did the cop. Very true on both counts. And you're right...he didn't deserve to be in cuffs, but it's hard to blame the cop for it ending up that way. But what definitely didn't need to happen was to have it become the biggest national issue of the week and have the POTUS making stupid comments about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Very true on both counts. And you're right...he didn't deserve to be in cuffs, but it's hard to blame the cop for it ending up that way. But what definitely didn't need to happen was to have it become the biggest national issue of the week and have the POTUS making stupid comments about it. As a culture it seems we've grown so accustomed to having to call things a win or a loss, right or wrong, if you're not with me you're against me, it seems we have lost the ability to see that a lot of times, if not most times, people can choose how they act and what they say regardless of what the other person said or how the other person acts. IMO, it's easy to imagine they were both azzholes and equally at fault. If Gates wasn't a prick, the cop wouldn't have been a prick. But the cop could have easily just gave Gates a lecture about talking to policemen or a warning about being abusive and just walked away. There was no break in to the house. Gates wasn't disturbing the peace or a harm to anyone. He didn't do anything but yell from his own house and porch. It doesn't matter what he yelled, he shouldn't have been arrested, he didn't really commit ANY crime. Cue the poster formerly known as the Crap Throwing Monkey to chime in and say technically, he did commit a crime, because "disturbing the peace" can be defined as anything anyone wants it to be. But he didn't commit a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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