Can McKelvin Be a Shut Down CB this Season ?

[K-9]

I'll try to sort through your refuse (numbering based upon your 1479139 post):

 

1. Dick knew from preseason that McKelvin didn't have game-time football sense. In second echelon college games, Leodis could prevail using his athleticism against ne'er-do-wells. Let's hope Leodis isn't as hapless as Jimmy Hardly.

 

2. ALL stats can be made to appear ludicrous, except stats based upon tens of millions of samples, like insurance company actuarial tables or the Las Vegas gambling casinos.

 

3. Care to explain how a "Robert" James reference weighs in on any point?

 

4. "Guys like Bailey and Samuel SHOULD put up big numbers. They are thrown at A LOT and both have the great athletic ability to make plays on the ball when the opportunity arises. "

 

Try to get help prying your head out of your orifice on this one, Bucko.

 

1) I think we agree on McKelvin. He wasn't ready last year and has lots to prove this season.

 

2) I think we agree on stats but you're the one that trotted out Revis' and McKelvin's rookies stats as a way of comparison. Useless.

 

3) My reference to Robert James was used to bolster my point about how INTs and pass breakups are not reliable when looking at CB numbers. If one were to look at James' stats alone one could be led to believe he seldom played when the truth is QBs SELDOM threw his way i.e. didn't give him the opportunity to amass stats. But since you confused Robert James with a "William" James in the first place, I don't find it surprising that my reference not only escaped you but that you wouldn't be able to see how it was relevant to your comparison of Revis' and McKelvin's rookie stats.

 

4) Baily and Samuel DO get thrown at often but they have the football awareness and athletic ability to make the most of their opportunities and getting INTs and breakups. They're pretty good. Although it's interesting to me that Samuel fared MUCH better in a zone system used in NE vs. the man system used in Philly. And while Bailey is good, he doesn't strike fear into anybody or was he the only bright spot on one of the worst defenses in a while last season in Denver?

 

I may have my head up my ass but I can still see a much clearer picture than you, obviously. Leads one to believe you have your head up someone else's ass entirely, Bucko.

 

Now this is where you're supposed to tell me how you, in all our exchanges, always talk football, always take the high road, and never disparage, yada yada yada. But I've read enough of your posts in other threads and your responses to others are often caustic. Just another in a long line of hypocrites flexing his cyber muscles as a way of compensation.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[SteamRoller67]

The guy is a great kick returner, and had a good game against the Chiefs.

 

To all of you who are virtually guaranteeing McKelvin to be one of the best corners in the league, what are you basing this on?

 

He got torched more often than not.

 

What are you basing this on? Maybe in Madden he got torched, but rarely on Sunday in the real NFL.

[ans4e64]

What are you basing this on? Maybe in Madden he got torched, but rarely on Sunday in the real NFL.

 

Haha.. wow. I can understand the losers on here that make ridiculous statements regarding football when they don't even watch, but it's even more embarrassing that you make those statements and you do watch.

[lynchneedsfood]

in the words of Obama "yes we (he) can"... lol, he's going to be good, really good, but he's going to give up mistakes like every second yr player does... to the pro bowl this year? I pray so, but unlikely

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Haha.. wow. I can understand the losers on here that make ridiculous statements regarding football when they don't even watch, but it's even more embarrassing that you make those statements and you do watch.

 

 

Since I admittedly only watched 10-12 games last year, and cannot conjure up any memories of these performance lapses, can you please let me know who torched him and in which games, etc.? The facts should help eliminate ridiculous statements…..

[ganesh]

When the Bills drafted McKelvin they expected him to be one of the best CBs playing eventually. He has the size, speed and over all talent to be a shut down CB. But is he ready yet to explode this season to be one? If he is, it will make the Bills secondary extremely strong. Shutting down a opponents best receiver gives the Bills a big advantage defensive wise.

But again is this the year he can develope to be the player he was drafted to be? A Shutdown CB.

Until the bills stop the run it does not matter

[Billistic]

Now this is where you're supposed to tell me how you, in all our exchanges, always talk football, always take the high road, and never disparage, yada yada yada. But I've read enough of your posts in other threads and your responses to others are often caustic. Just another in a long line of hypocrites flexing his cyber muscles as a way of compensation.

 

Lovely, now it's a sin to argue "caustically". Please allow me to thank you, if you don't mind terribly, Madam.

 

Also, how charming of you to script my subsequent posts for me.

 

I must say that I am truly flattered that you have followed the trajectory of my posts here, and have been psychoanalyzing me based upon persiflage on a football chat room site. You are a wonder...

[K-9]

Lovely, now it's a sin to argue "caustically". Please allow me to thank you, if you don't mind terribly, Madam.

 

Also, how charming of you to script my subsequent posts for me.

 

I must say that I am truly flattered that you have followed the trajectory of my posts here, and have been psychoanalyzing me based upon persiflage on a football chat room site. You are a wonder...

 

Please, argue caustically all you wish. It's important to keep those cyber muscles in shape. Especially when you're all fast-twitch and lack the stamina for the longer distances.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Billistic]

Please, argue caustically all you wish. It's important to keep those cyber muscles in shape. Especially when you're all fast-twitch and lack the stamina for the longer distances.

 

By that paradigm, you are the sphincter at the very posterior end of the alimentary canal, and therefore smooth muscle, Mr. Smoothie.

 

[K-9]

By that paradigm, you are the sphincter at the very posterior end of the alimentary canal, and therefore smooth muscle, Mr. Smoothie.

 

 

You're not very quick with metaphors, are you? Small wonder there, cyber muscles.

 

But all this talk of sphincters, posterior ends, and alilmentary canals smacks of too much knowledge in the area. You're either a proctologist or spend way too much time working out to Richard Simmons tapes. I doubt the former because, if your posts on such a simple game as football are any indication, you definately lack the mental accumen necessary to achieve a GED, let alone an MD. So I suspect it's been a life in tight red shorts with Mr. Billistic holding hands on the beach. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Thurman#1]

The correct answer is no. McKelvin is one hell of a talent and will become a great NFL CB, but a shut down corner is dependent on a pass rush -- something the Bills do not have. Neon Deon is the only CB who could shut down a WR regardless of the QBs time to throw -- so unless McKelvin is the 2nd best CB in the history of football then the answer is no.

 

 

 

Yeah. The phrase is often used to mean "a very good cornerback," when it actually means a CB who doesn't require any safety help, a guy who can be left completely alone with a WR and still shut him down. There are no shut-down cornerbacks in the NFL right now, with the possible exception of Asomugha. Possible.

 

So, no, he is statistically highly unlikely to become one, and even if he was capable of it, our defense wouldn't let him show it.

 

Can he become a top-five CB in the league, though? Yeah, I think he can, though not this year. He'll learn. It will take some time. The real question is this:

 

By the time he is truly excellent, he will probably be a third or fourth year player, looking at a new contract. Will the Bills step up and sign him? Or will they use YET ANOTHER first-round draft pick to find the next Leodis McKelvin. I'm betting on the latter. The Bills seem to simply refuse to spend the money necessary to re-sign cornerbacks.

[Thurman#1]

Leodis is opposite so far? in 10 less starts as Revis he has only 1 less INT & has almost 1/3 of Revis's deflections playing on a team with NO Pass Rush. He was not coddled, Dick is just too STUPID to play his best players if they are Rookies.

 

 

As has been noted before, that's just not true about Jauron. He plays rookies, but only if they really are good enough to hold down the position. Look at Marshawn. Look at Poz. Look at Ko Simpson and Donte.

 

What Jauron does is hold guys out until they are ready. When good enough, they go in, and people wrongly assume that because they are good when they go in, they must have always been that good, despite the NFL teaching us over and over again that rookies, with a few exceptions, make mistakes and a huge majority of them simply aren't ready to play at NFL standard.

 

Revis had his ass kicked a lot that first year, and the Bills ate him up. Jauron kept Leodis out as much as he could because especially at the beginning of the year, Leodis wasn't ready.

 

He'll be ready, and probably this year he'll be good, partly because of all the tape he has watched, the NFL conditioning program he has participated in and his year of practice and limited game experience. He will probably play well. And people will say "See, this proves that he was ready from day one." And they will be wrong.

[C.Biscuit97]

Anyone who can hold a freak like Calvin Johnson to 2 catches for 9 yards can be a shut down corner. He has pro bowl talent at corner and kick returner. He's simply a playmaker.

[Steely Dan]

As has been noted before, that's just not true about Jauron. He plays rookies, but only if they really are good enough to hold down the position. Look at Marshawn. Look at Poz. Look at Ko Simpson and Donte.

 

What Jauron does is hold guys out until they are ready. When good enough, they go in, and people wrongly assume that because they are good when they go in, they must have always been that good, despite the NFL teaching us over and over again that rookies, with a few exceptions, make mistakes and a huge majority of them simply aren't ready to play at NFL standard.

 

Revis had his ass kicked a lot that first year, and the Bills ate him up. Jauron kept Leodis out as much as he could because especially at the beginning of the year, Leodis wasn't ready.

 

He'll be ready, and probably this year he'll be good, partly because of all the tape he has watched, the NFL conditioning program he has participated in and his year of practice and limited game experience. He will probably play well. And people will say "See, this proves that he was ready from day one." And they will be wrong.

 

He also didn't need to start. The Bills had JG and TM to hold stuff down. Why put him in immediately when they didn't need to. I think he'll be much improved this year.

 

As for others saying the Bills will let him go it will depend on his contract demands. There is no way NC was worth $80,000,000. Their strategy of drafting to replace them is just smart business practice to have replacements ready for those guys.

[Bill from NYC]

As for others saying the Bills will let him go it will depend on his contract demands. There is no way NC was worth $80,000,000. Their strategy of drafting to replace them is just smart business practice to have replacements ready for those guys.

 

If it is such a smart business practice, please tell us.....where are the wins? Where are the playoff appearances? The Levy/Jauron method of using top picks on the secondary, only to let them walk when they reach their prime, and replace them with other first round picks is a doccumented losing system. It can't work; it's just not possible.

 

When you think back to when the Bills were actually good, what players come to mind, the corners and safeties? I am not only talking about the superbowl era either. When Bryce and Big Ted were here, they immediately made the Bills defense a strong one. Do you think Levy would have signed those guys?

 

Jauron was absolutely nuts about McKelvin, so he drafted him at 11. Ryan Clady was the next pick, and Branden Albert went at 15, but Jauron, ever the fool, was hell bent on another defensive back. After the draft, he talked about how lucky we were that McKelvin was still there. Then he played MaGee when he was injured to the extent that he was getting torched on every play instead of putting McKelvin in. Don't you remember this Bro?

 

I have mixed views about McKelvin as a player. I think that if he keeps progressing, he might be one of the best kick returners who ever played the game. Teams see this and are already kicking away from him, sometimes even out of bounds. It looks to me that he will be a good corner too, but that will be a harder task to accomplish until the Bills have any sort of pass rush.

If he develops into a great corner, the Bills have questions to ask themselves about letting him return kicks, or so one would think. If he is merely a "good" corner and an all time great return man, do they want to even put him in as a starting corner?

Btw, I don't have the answer to these questions. What I do however know is that the Jauron philosophy has not, nor will it ever lead to wins.

[Billistic]

If it is such a smart business practice, please tell us.....where are the wins? Where are the playoff appearances? The Levy/Jauron method of using top picks on the secondary, only to let them walk when they reach their prime, and replace them with other first round picks is a doccumented losing system. It can't work; it's just not possible.

 

If (McKelvin) develops into a great corner, the Bills have questions to ask themselves about letting him return kicks, or so one would think. If he is merely a "good" corner and an all time great return man, do they want to even put him in as a starting corner?

Btw, I don't have the answer to these questions. What I do however know is that the Jauron philosophy has not, nor will it ever lead to wins.

 

Exactly: Jones, Winfield, Clements, Greer....One step forward, one step back. It's like the Bills are a farm team. But they do give sizable contract extensions to ne'er do wells like Kelsay. It's not that they're cheap on salaries (middle of the pack; close to the cap), but they use the $ stupidly.