Alaska Darin Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 MEDICAID best insurance we got. Can you translate this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 MEDICAID best insurance we got. That why I went out-of-pocket about nine grand for my wife's niece, for a broken bone that according to Medicaid wasn't covered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 We are paying for someones healthcare now, why not add ourselves to the same plan. MEDICAID best insurance we got. Just have to be poor to use it.........SAD SAD SAD And my point is proven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 That Steven Crowder is a funny guy. He's been on Fox News a few times. About the wait time difference in the U.S. and Canada, this kid just for sh*ts and giggles went to Canada to see for himself and those were his results. It's odd that wait times would be that bad for him and his friends only to get blood work done. Seriously, just blood work. No the U.S. system isn't perfect, it's mostly the insurance companies, not medical companies, that are at fault. And no it's not perfect in that you only have to wait an hour anywhere in the U.S. That's just the average, as in averages, the differences vary. Furthermore, these medical professionals working at these Canadian establishments all go on record saying the government healthcare ultimately sucks. Coincidence? I think not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 That Steven Crowder is a funny guy. He's been on Fox News a few times. About the wait time difference in the U.S. and Canada, this kid just for sh*ts and giggles went to Canada to see for himself and those were his results. It's odd that wait times would be that bad for him and his friends only to get blood work done. Seriously, just blood work. No the U.S. system isn't perfect, it's mostly the insurance companies, not medical companies, that are at fault. And no it's not perfect in that you only have to wait an hour anywhere in the U.S. That's just the average, as in averages, the differences vary. Furthermore, these medical professionals working at these Canadian establishments all go on record saying the government healthcare ultimately sucks. Coincidence? I think not! They get paid less. Hence it sucks for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 They get paid less. Hence it sucks for them. Hmmm... why don't you take that logic in run with it? A doctor who gets paid less? How much less? Are the salaries low enough that the smartest students say NFW and do something else with their lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Hmmm... why don't you take that logic in run with it? A doctor who gets paid less? How much less? Are the salaries low enough that the smartest students say NFW and do something else with their lives? They move to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Hmmm... why don't you take that logic in run with it? A doctor who gets paid less? How much less? Are the salaries low enough that the smartest students say NFW and do something else with their lives? I believe so. And fewer people enter the profession. Fewer doctors means longer waits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Canadian doctors make, on average, $202,000 a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 That why I went out-of-pocket about nine grand for my wife's niece, for a broken bone that according to Medicaid wasn't covered? I have never seen anything not covered under it. Are you sure she actually had the full coverage of it? You do have to be very poor to get the full benefits of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 They get paid less. Hence it sucks for them. watch Sicko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Can you translate this? It's sad that you have to be so poor to be eligible for the insurance. If you don't know anyone who has/had/have medicaid, ask them, it covers everything and if any copay is asked, its like 2 dollars at the most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Why must any nationalization of health care be immediately compared to Canada? They aren't the only country in the world with socialized care, and there is no reason why improvements to our system must mimic those up North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Fox News had an undercover report on Canadian health care yesterday. Let me preface this by saying I just caught the follow up questions with the undercover reported, But missed the actual patients commentary as well as where in Canada it was filmed. The following is what the undercover reporter stated, he went to several different emergency rooms and talked to people waiting, found the typical wait time was 7-9 hours. He did say the clinical/family care doctors were a lot faster, but he couldn't enter any of those facilities unless his primary doctor was there. He could join a waiting list for a clinical/family doctor, the average wait time was 2-3 years. He mentioned one person he interviewed had a serious circulation problem and needed to see a specialist asap. The wait time was 1 year and that person ended up losing both legs. He also metioned a relative that had to wait too long to see an eye specialist and ended up losing vision in one eye. That's about all I caught, as I said I just saw the end of the piece. But it sounds pretty bad. I'll take a look at their website and will post if I find it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 watch Sicko Or not. There's been substantial proof and even 2 documentaries about Michael Moore and how he falsifies information. Why must any nationalization of health care be compared to Canada? They aren't the only country in the world with socialized care, and there is no reason why improvements to our system must mimic those up North. Because just about every democrat has referenced Canada's healthcare system and tremendously praised it. Fox News had an undercover report on Canadian health care yesterday. Let me preface this by saying I just caught the follow up questions with the undercover reported, But missed the actual patients commentary as well as where in Canada it was filmed. The following is what the undercover reporter stated, he went to several different emergency rooms and talked to people waiting, found the typical wait time was 7-9 hours. He did say the clinical/family care doctors were a lot faster, but he couldn't enter any of those facilities unless his primary doctor was there. He could join a waiting list for a clinical/family doctor, the average wait time was 2-3 years. He mentioned one person he interviewed had a serious circulation problem and needed to see a specialist asap. The wait time was 1 year and that person ended up losing both legs. He also metioned a relative that had to wait too long to see an eye specialist and ended up losing vision in one eye. That's about all I caught, as I said I just saw the end of the piece. But it sounds pretty bad. I'll take a look at their website and will post if I find it... That was the same guy who did this video at the start of the thread. He was on Neil Cavuto yesterday discussing the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 He mentioned one person he interviewed had a serious circulation problem and needed to see a specialist asap. The wait time was 1 year and that person ended up losing both legs. He also metioned a relative that had to wait too long to see an eye specialist and ended up losing vision in one eye. did the report state how long the people waited before attempting to make first contact for care? was the guy with the poor circulation not feeling well for weeks or months before seeking out care? they always seem to leave that part out to get their point across in these subjective reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I have never seen anything not covered under it. Are you sure she actually had the full coverage of it? You do have to be very poor to get the full benefits of it Four kids with a deadbeat father who refuses to pay child support, and one minimum-wage part-time job with no insurance coverage. Yes, I'm sure. Medicaid not only recommended that she commit fraud to get medical care and then threatened to revoke her coverage when she took their advice, but they dicked around for three months, so that a simple fracture that could have been set and healed in three weeks became a surgical procedure to re-break and re-set her hand. Medicaid's excuse, by the way, was that there was only one doctor in her county they would authorize to set her hand, and they couldn't authorize her case because he treated her in the ER, thus he had a conflicg of interest. My wife's niece is living proof that 1) health coverage is not the same as health care, and 2) government-run health coverage is an epic bureaucratic nightmare ("We can't have the same doctor treat you twice for the same condition in two different offices, because that would be a conflict of interest...so just commit fraud to get coverage, even though we'll drop your coverage if you do.") But you think it's the "best insurance we've got". You're a !@#$ing moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 did the report state how long the people waited before attempting to make first contact for care? was the guy with the poor circulation not feeling well for weeks or months before seeking out care? they always seem to leave that part out to get their point across in these subjective reports Not that I saw. Only a brief recap of what the patients said to him while undercover. I missed the beginning, so I don't know if those questions were answered. I am sure there is more to the story, you can never believe everything you hear. I would love to see a rebuttal from someone supporting the Canadian system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_...about_canad.php Seems like there is a little truth and a little fabrication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Four kids with a deadbeat father who refuses to pay child support, and one minimum-wage part-time job with no insurance coverage. Yes, I'm sure. Medicaid not only recommended that she commit fraud to get medical care and then threatened to revoke her coverage when she took their advice, but they dicked around for three months, so that a simple fracture that could have been set and healed in three weeks became a surgical procedure to re-break and re-set her hand. Medicaid's excuse, by the way, was that there was only one doctor in her county they would authorize to set her hand, and they couldn't authorize her case because he treated her in the ER, thus he had a conflicg of interest. My wife's niece is living proof that 1) health coverage is not the same as health care, and 2) government-run health coverage is an epic bureaucratic nightmare ("We can't have the same doctor treat you twice for the same condition in two different offices, because that would be a conflict of interest...so just commit fraud to get coverage, even though we'll drop your coverage if you do.") But you think it's the "best insurance we've got". You're a !@#$ing moron. No, you must be the moron or your niece's mother. Because I have never seen anything medical that they would not cover unless it was dental after the age of like 21-23 or something. Don't hate me, because I have more knowledge about it, or am living proof of it. I've been down that road, I know they cover everything. You know sometimes ignorant people let people run them over and tell them false information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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