Gene Frenkle Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I hope that you realize quoting Jesus has about as much merit as quoting Paul Bunyan. Even if the man did exist, Jesus is about as big of a tall tale as you can get. I certainly get that point and find it amusing more than anything. Being the elitist lib that I am, I think that all organized religion is a bunch of crap. If you consider things from that perspective, it really doesn't matter which quotes are accurate and which characters in the story are fictional. Many people choose how to live their lives based on what is contained in that oft-edited book, so the historical accuracy really doesn't matter, just what appears there now. So more accurately, "The Jesus character found in your sacred book was a Socialist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Seems like you only quote him when you can manipulate his words and meaning and refuse to acknowledge everything else he says. Also written about his new writing: "This understanding of charity frames the whole thing," said Terrence W. Tilley, chair of Fordham University's theology department. "Charity is not simply giving money away. Charity is love. It is God's love that makes the world go around, makes the universe tick. Our human work has to reflect that love." Other great Catholic quotes, including one from the Pope: ''The various forms of the dissolution of matrimony today, like free unions, trial marriages and going up to pseudo-matrimonies by people of the same sex, are rather expressions of an anarchic freedom that wrongly passes for true freedom of man," Pope Benedict XVI Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. There may be legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not… with regard to abortion and euthanasia. Pope Benedict XVI The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between. Mother Teresa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I hope that you realize quoting Jesus has about as much merit as quoting Paul Bunyan. Even if the man did exist, Jesus is about as big of a tall tale as you can get. Jesus is a tall tale? Now that's a new twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Seems like you only quote him when you can manipulate his words and meaning and refuse to acknowledge everything else he says. Also written about his new writing: "This understanding of charity frames the whole thing," said Terrence W. Tilley, chair of Fordham University's theology department. "Charity is not simply giving money away. Charity is love. It is God's love that makes the world go around, makes the universe tick. Our human work has to reflect that love." Other great Catholic quotes, including one from the Pope: ''The various forms of the dissolution of matrimony today, like free unions, trial marriages and going up to pseudo-matrimonies by people of the same sex, are rather expressions of an anarchic freedom that wrongly passes for true freedom of man," Pope Benedict XVI Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. There may be legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not… with regard to abortion and euthanasia. Pope Benedict XVI The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between. Mother Teresa The words of these PEOPLE supersede the word of GOD??? Self-delusion does not become you. Jesus' (possibly misquoted) words are very clear and are not open to human interpretation. I am not taking parts of quotes out of context or spinning anything here. Your political views are simply at odds with your religions views. You'll need to work that out on your own. Incidentally, which part of "go, sell what you have, and give to the poor" did you not understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 As much as many here would like to deny it, Jesus was a Socialist. Hmmmm........seems to me he had a vision for the Roman State, as in, let them have it. If Socialism means state control of markets and production, you'll need a better anachronism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 The words of these PEOPLE supersede the word of GOD??? Self-delusion does not become you. Jesus' (possibly misquoted) words are very clear and are not open to human interpretation. I am not taking parts of quotes out of context or spinning anything here. Your political views are simply at odds with your religions views. You'll need to work that out on your own. Incidentally, which part of "go, sell what you have, and give to the poor" did you not understand? Why don't you actually read what the Pope said: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict...eritate_en.html He actually does not call for unions but rather that business and government should look to helping the individuals only enough to be fruitful. Not to give them a welfare state. He says people lose their desires and creativity if they are given too much. The Pope also demands an end to abortion and forced sterilizations. Pretty easy for the media and you liberals to leave that piece out. It's actually a good read, and goes into while people need to be helped, individual advancements and rewards should not be stymied, but should be offset by helping the poor and needy. It also says that while he is seeking folks to do these things he is demanding governments and organizations do not use it as a means to correupt the process and bring down the whole establishment, and your ilk desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Hmmmm........seems to me he had a vision for the Roman State, as in, let them have it. If Socialism means state control of markets and production, you'll need a better anachronism. How about politically agnostic and philosophically socialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Why don't you actually read what the Pope said: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict...eritate_en.html He actually does not call for unions but rather that business and government should look to helping the individuals only enough to be fruitful. Not to give them a welfare state. He says people lose their desires and creativity if they are given too much. The Pope also demands an end to abortion and forced sterilizations. Pretty easy for the media and you liberals to leave that piece out. It's actually a good read, and goes into while people need to be helped, individual advancements and rewards should not be stymied, but should be offset by helping the poor and needy. It also says that while he is seeking folks to do these things he is demanding governments and organizations do not use it as a means to correupt the process and bring down the whole establishment, and your ilk desires. I personally don't have much use for what the guy in the funny hat has to say. I'm not arguing for Socialism either, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Christian Conservative movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 You've read me wrong. I really am a live and let live person. I have no problem with churches of any kind as long as they don't effect me. That is, cost me money. Try to influence my family. Try to influence elected representatives. People can believe what they want to. If you get something out of it thats great for you. I'm not sure how that makes me selfish. I think its selfish of the church to come into my life and try to change the way I think. I would never think less or more of you for believing in religion. I am sorry. By saying "selfish" I wasn't deriding you or thinking less of you. We are all selfish one way or another in our thinking. For me it is kind of hard. I don't necessarily believe in the "religion," I believe in the social commentary. How does one attain a social conscience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I hope that you realize quoting Jesus has about as much merit as quoting Paul Bunyan. Even if the man did exist, Jesus is about as big of a tall tale as you can get. Does it really matter? There is still merit there as much as Paul Bunyan may have merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I personally don't have much use for what the guy in the funny hat has to say. I'm not arguing for Socialism either, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Christian Conservative movement. You sure seem to comment a lot in a thread that is all about Catholic doctrine, which BTW is not Christion Conservatism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 You sure seem to comment a lot in a thread that is all about Catholic doctrine, which BTW is not Christion Conservatism. It's an area of keen interest to me, as I am a recovering Roman Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Even if the man did exist, Jesus is about as big of a tall tale as you can get. Jesus had a beard. So does Chuck Norris I'm just sayin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 It's an area of keen interest to me, as I am a recovering Roman Catholic. So falling out of favor, means that you must try to bring everyone else down to your level? Lucifer was an entity that did the same many years ago. Still does as a matter of fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Jesus is a tall tale? Now that's a new twist. You kiddin? Jesus is the ULTIMATE tall tale. Let's see, he... 1. Was born of a virgin, impregnated by a god 2. Walked on water 3. Cured the blind and the fatally diseased with a touch of the hand 4. Created food out of thin air and turned water into wine 5. Was executed but then RESURRECTED FROM THE FREAKIN DEAD (that's my favorite little myth) And those are just to name a few. That doesn't qualify as a tall tale? Jesus, to me, was essentially a kind-hearted cult leader whose message caught on. After all, we've heard the whole "Son of God" thing from other folks right? We just slap them with the crazy label, but Jesus was different right? He was divine. Suuuure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 You kiddin? Jesus is the ULTIMATE tall tale. Let's see, he... 1. Was born of a virgin, impregnated by a god 2. Walked on water 3. Cured the blind and the fatally diseased with a touch of the hand 4. Created food out of thin air and turned water into wine 5. Was executed but then RESURRECTED FROM THE FREAKIN DEAD (that's my favorite little myth) And those are just to name a few. That doesn't qualify as a tall tale? Jesus, to me, was essentially a kind-hearted cult leader whose message caught on. After all, we've heard the whole "Son of God" thing from other folks right? We just slap them with the crazy label, but Jesus was different right? He was divine. Suuuure. Even if you don't have "faith", you are arguing that the stories of Jesus are a tall tale, not the man. You said "Jesus is about as big of a tall tale as you can get". What would of been a more accurate statement is "The stories surrounding Jesus is as big of a tall tale you can get", if that is what you believe. But you know what I find funny Sage, that you criticize Chef for making a joke about McNair, acting all high and mighty, but on the other hand you criticize and demean those who have "faith" in Jesus by sarcastically calling him "divine" or referring to him as a "cult leader". seems hypocritical to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Even if you don't have "faith", you are arguing that the stories of Jesus are a tall tale, not the man. You said "Jesus is about as big of a tall tale as you can get". What would of been a more accurate statement is "The stories surrounding Jesus is as big of a tall tale you can get", if that is what you believe. But you know what I find funny Sage, that you criticize Chef for making a joke about McNair, acting all high and mighty, but on the other hand you criticize and demean those who have "faith" in Jesus by sarcastically calling him "divine" or referring to him as a "cult leader". seems hypocritical to me You've got the wrong guy, bucko. I never criticized Chef for his McNair joke. Anyway you are just arguing semantics at this point A tall tale is essentially a highly embellished account of a real person and the Jesus story fits under that umbrella I am sure that Jesus did exist but it baffles me that a great number of people out there actually believe the preposterous details of his life that have been conjured up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 You've got the wrong guy, bucko. I never criticized Chef for his McNair joke. Anyway you are just arguing semantics at this point A tall tale is essentially a highly embellished account of a real person and the Jesus story fits under that umbrella I am sure that Jesus did exist but it baffles me that a great number of people out there actually believe the preposterous details of his life that have been conjured up I mispoke then, in regards to the Mcnair joke. Sorry And yes, it is semantics, now that you have established that Jesus did exist, which earlier you alluded that he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 I also love the fact the way people think conservative=religious. Dear dear Jim: THAT is EXACTLY what the conservatives have created. They have laid claim to family values and Jesus Christ. That's why this for them is a conundrum. I think if you were to do a search you'd me stating on more than one occasion that "religion is stupid". But, since it is what it is out there, I am enjoying this to the fullest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Joel Osteen tells me its just fine to work hard and enjoy the favor of God. Im running with that. He's a big Obamamaniac you know. A big one. His wife too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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