Max997 Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 NFL Live Chat from June 26. http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/317 I can do both, but I prefer to play back. I wouldn't say it suits me better, but when you play back, you get more opportunities to make big plays many have talked about his lack of big plays so it sounds like he wants to get every opportunity to make big plays and have a big year...sounds to me like he wants and will be playing FS from Rotoworld after the season http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...Nfl&id=3691 The Bills are reportedly considering moving Donte Whitner to free safety full time. Buffalo toyed with this idea last offseason, but nixed it to keep Ko Simpson in the lineup. The Bills believe Whitner's cover skills are wasted playing "in the box," however, and think he'll be a bigger playmaker in center field. so back to my original point, why draft a CB that you plan on moving to FS when you already plan on moving your high salaried SS to FS
The Big Cat Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 All that said I'm excited for the group and wherever Byrd plays, I'm excited about him. Agreed. I actually like the players on a team I follow close enough to haunt their message board. GO BILLS!
Playoffs or Bust Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 NFL Live Chat from June 26. http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/317 I can do both, but I prefer to play back. I wouldn't say it suits me better, but when you play back, you get more opportunities to make big plays sounds to me like he wants and will be playing FS from Rotoworld after the season http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...Nfl&id=3691 The Bills are reportedly considering moving Donte Whitner to free safety full time. Buffalo toyed with this idea last offseason, but nixed it to keep Ko Simpson in the lineup. The Bills believe Whitner's cover skills are wasted playing "in the box," however, and think he'll be a bigger playmaker in center field. so back to my original point, why draft a CB that you plan on moving to FS when you already plan on moving your high salaried SS to FS There really is no point discussing this. They will be better with both on the field and if that is the case, Donte will play SS. He said it himself he probably won't stay there. Byrd is built for FS and Donte can man the SS spot. Any knowledgeable Bills fan can understand this.
Max997 Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 There really is no point discussing this. They will be better with both on the field and if that is the case, Donte will play SS. He said it himself he probably won't stay there. Byrd is built for FS and Donte can man the SS spot. Any knowledgeable Bills fan can understand this. Any knowledgeable football fan can understand that you dont draft a guy high in the second round at a position that you plan on moving your high priced SS to when you have other holes that need to be filled this team is still weak at DE and with Schobel a question mark coming back from injury and their overall weak pass rush Everette Brown would have been the better pick and a steal in the second round
The Big Cat Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Any knowledgeable football fan can understand that you dont draft a guy high in the second round at a position that you plan on moving your high priced SS to when you have other holes that need to be filled this team is still weak at DE and with Schobel a question mark coming back from injury and their overall weak pass rush Everette Brown would have been the better pick and a steal in the second round We all trust your draft knowledge to the Bills' scouts.
Max997 Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 We all trust your draft knowledge to the Bills' scouts. way to add to the conversation cool guy
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Jarius Byrd was picked at the top of the second round, since when is that considered a later round? I dont get the pick of Jarius Byrd if the plan all along was to move Whitner to free safety as we have been led to believe...why would you use a high second round pick on a CB that you plan on converting to FS when you already plan on moving your high salaried SS to FS, makes no sense....I understand depth but you dont draft for depth in the high second round especially when there were numerous other players on the board that could help the Bills this year Jarius Byrd doesnt have a chance to start as long as Whitner is with the Bills and playing FS HOPEFULLY, Jarius Byrd is a much better player than Donte Whitner has been for us, and this whole discussion will be moot. Because I think Whitner has a whole lot to prove before the Bills extend him beyond his rookie contract.
Tcali Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Yes I know its too early to rate your drafted players and it might take 3 years to accurately grade the Bills 2009 draft. I have a very long history of being over critical of Buffalo's draft selections, but I can't remember a draft that has as many potential starters. I still can't believe Jarius Byrd and Shawn Nelson slipped to the later rounds. Eric Wood and Levitre were steals in my book. Since I have always been so critical of the Bills drafts in the past, I thought I would take the time to congratulate the scouting staff and Russ Brandon for an excellent draft in my opinion. Some of these guys will be competing for starting jobs in a month or two. Aaron Maybin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQfKvO0a_WQ Eric Wood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUiQo3obuRU Andy Levitre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVwc8OR0NCk Shawn Nelsen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSZfPHWF1j8...feature=related Jarius Byrd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeML2xdhsDM Nic Harris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU6HfVzclbA i think it could be an amazing draft....i especially think byrd and wood could be very very good
Max997 Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 HOPEFULLY, Jarius Byrd is a much better player than Donte Whitner has been for us, and this whole discussion will be moot. Because I think Whitner has a whole lot to prove before the Bills extend him beyond his rookie contract. that, I agree with which is why I believe all the talk and we will see Whitner at FS because he has something to prove this year and more importantly the Bills feel his coverage skills are being wasted at SS Im sure The Blind Loyalist...I mean The Big Cat will have something to say about that as well
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 i hope your right, it would be great if this draft class becomes that good
ganesh Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Jarius Byrd was picked at the top of the second round, since when is that considered a later round? I dont get the pick of Jarius Byrd if the plan all along was to move Whitner to free safety as we have been led to believe...why would you use a high second round pick on a CB that you plan on converting to FS when you already plan on moving your high salaried SS to FS, makes no sense....I understand depth but you dont draft for depth in the high second round especially when there were numerous other players on the board that could help the Bills this year Jarius Byrd doesnt have a chance to start as long as Whitner is with the Bills and playing FS I think the Bills did the best by picking the best player on the board and not reaching for a need (OT ?). Also, I hope the Bills coaching staff will put the best 11 players on the field. If Byrd needs playing time and Whitner is better than Bart Scott, then Whitner moves back to SS while Byrd will play FS. Also, is it possible that Byrd may stick to being a corner back or does he lack speed ?
Thurman#1 Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 There really is no point discussing this. They will be better with both on the field and if that is the case, Donte will play SS. He said it himself he probably won't stay there. Byrd is built for FS and Donte can man the SS spot. Any knowledgeable Bills fan can understand this. You're right that there is no point in discussing this, but you missed the reason. We simply don't know what will happen. You're assuming that you know what will happen, but with rookies nobody knows. Both guesses could be correct. Let's wait and see.
Thurman#1 Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I'm just not convinced yet. I love that they finally addressed the o-line early in the draft. But could one or both of these two guys have Mike Williams disease? Sure. You just never know. I'm hopeful every year, and maybe even a bit more than normal this year because o-line guys have slightly lower bust rates than many other positions. But they do bust and I'm not counting on anything. And I have a lot less faith in Harris and particularly Nelson than many of you on these boards. I think there's a reason Nelson lasted so long. I think he's likely to have about ten catches this year and is not a sure thing for ever picking up blocking well enough to be an in-line starter. Byrd too. I'm not convinced that the move to safety will work. Again, I'm hopeful, but not convinced at all. Even Maybin strikes me as a risky pick. Let's give it more time. I hope you're right.
billsfan89 Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I liked this draft but its way too early to tell. The last draft I liked was the 2007 draft with Lynch and Poz. In 2008 I liked Mckelvin but thought the rest of the draft was a little weak. Unlike the 2007 draft I liked the depth of this years draft (Mostly due to the more picks). I think Nelson can be a solid player and we got him in the 4th. We got two players on the O-line that can be part of a solid unit for a long time. We got a pass rusher who can be a good 10 sack a year guy for a long time. We got a safety who can be a ball hawk. To me the draft looks good on paper. But like most things in the NFL a lot looks good on paper we will have to see. I was a little reserved about taking Maybin over Orakpo but I got the logic of the pick. I was a little reserved about the Byrd pick I mean did we need to invest more in the secondary. I would have taken a linebacker or E.Brown at pick 42. I thought Wood and Levitre were excellent picks both are smart and tough O-lineman. Overall I liked the draft but if Orakpo is a stud and Maybin is a bust how good could it be. If Byrd sucks and Nelson is average once again how good is it. So its not like I am not a little concerned about some of the picks.
Steely Dan Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Jarius Byrd was picked at the top of the second round, since when is that considered a later round? I dont get the pick of Jarius Byrd if the plan all along was to move Whitner to free safety as we have been led to believe...why would you use a high second round pick on a CB that you plan on converting to FS when you already plan on moving your high salaried SS to FS, makes no sense....I understand depth but you dont draft for depth in the high second round especially when there were numerous other players on the board that could help the Bills this year Jarius Byrd doesnt have a chance to start as long as Whitner is with the Bills and playing FS I used to think that too and even thought they might move Byrd to SS because as the video points out he's great in run support. Then I read the link below and that changes everything. An article from Chris Brown - "Which Rookies Will Start" http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3...44-3da5c8a3182b Byrd will be on the field. If he is, he will play FS and Whitner will shift over. Think about it and it makes sense. Can someone help me out here? Up until that article nothing had been said about where Donte would play except for him saying he was going to be FS this year. That article indicates that he has been told different now. I think it's a huge credit to Donte's football character that he's taking this very well. NFL Live Chat from June 26. http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/317 I can do both, but I prefer to play back. I wouldn't say it suits me better, but when you play back, you get more opportunities to make big plays many have talked about his lack of big plays so it sounds like he wants to get every opportunity to make big plays and have a big year...sounds to me like he wants and will be playing FS from Rotoworld after the season http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...Nfl&id=3691 The Bills are reportedly considering moving Donte Whitner to free safety full time. Buffalo toyed with this idea last offseason, but nixed it to keep Ko Simpson in the lineup. The Bills believe Whitner's cover skills are wasted playing "in the box," however, and think he'll be a bigger playmaker in center field. so back to my original point, why draft a CB that you plan on moving to FS when you already plan on moving your high salaried SS to FS Both of those pre-date the "Which Rookies Will Start" article. Donte starting at FS may not be happening now. Things change.
John from Riverside Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 By far one of the most "Yawn" drafts I have seen in a while and will probably end up being one of our most productive in years........
Steely Dan Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Thanks for the vid links! I love the blindside sack Maybin gets at the end of the video! Ok, back on topic; "On paper" as they say, this draft looks great. All I can say about the draft now is that they got guys in the spots or after the spots they were expected to go in. These guys unlike, IMO, past drafts concentrated on tough and durable players. I really hope Chris Ellis proves me wrong for starting to question his being taken in the draft at all by midseason last year. This years group looks very tough. AFAIK, none of them have extensive injury history's that made them miss a lot of time on the field. Here's what I think about the picks, right now. This is only based on potential. As someone pointed out busts do happen. Wood is the best pick in the draft I can remember in a long time. He just oozes the smash mouth, up yours, if you touch me you're gonna be sorry you did attitude. Even better he seems to be able to separate from that off the field. The rest of the guys need to live up to their college accolades. Maybin is coming in at a position that historically has taken some adjustment i.e. Williams, Mario. So, IMO, he gets a two year pass as long as he's showing improvement. Jairus Byrd is somebody I feel will make it (oops, I just jinxed him.) I think FS is a fairly easy transition from college to the pros. Andy Levitre also seems to have the in your face attitude that Wood has. The Bills really need a lot more nastiness on the O-Line and this guy is another piece of that puzzle. Shawn Nelson needs some work to become a complete TE. If he contributes in the endzone this year and learns to block well he could be a late round steal. Nic Harris may take some time to transition to LB. Hopefully he outplays Ellison in camp and supplant him at the beginning of this season or at least by mid season. I'm thinking he might not start til next year. Cary Harris is a long shot to make the team. If he does I'll be very surprised. Ellis Lankster has caught the heads of Mitchell and Whitner right now. He could be a real surprise. It looks like the Bills have some surplus depth in some positions that I hope they can turn into draft picks instead of merely cuts. C'mon Chris Ellis you bowl of jelly beans, prove me wrong. Suck it up, work hard and prove me wrong. If you can the Bills will have a very solid DL line this year.
kota Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Any knowledgeable football fan can understand that you dont draft a guy high in the second round at a position that you plan on moving your high priced SS to when you have other holes that need to be filled this team is still weak at DE and with Schobel a question mark coming back from injury and their overall weak pass rush Everette Brown would have been the better pick and a steal in the second round The Bills probably drafted based upon best player available. You can never have enough playmakers which Jarius appears to be. If you look at any of the recent superbowl winning teams they stock up on players.
Beerball Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 There's no use in demonstrating to someone that he or she is wrong only to then have them stubbornly stick to his or her erroneous point. yes there is
Bill from NYC Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 God, I hope so. I'm very optimistic about the draft, but not the season. This is exactly how I feel todd. It isn't as if I am already writing off the season, because if enough of our rookies contribute right away, and Edwards clicks with TO, they could certainly win some games. The thing is, none of the above is guaranteed. Having said that, if you can look past the obligatory wasted pick on a small, early round defensive back, this football team actually used 3 of their first 4 draft picks on a pass rusher and 2 Guards. As I have posted, Guards seem to be harder to get these days, and these two could conceiveably anchor our OL for many years. Any production at all from Hangartner would be much more than what we got from Fowler/Preston. What gives me doubts about this season is the weakness at OT and DT. Replacing Peters won't be easy. Butler might be able to do well at RT, but we don't know yet and other than Stroud, not a DT on the roster impresses me. Still, the team would seem to be going in the right direction based on a draft that focused on important positions at which we were weak. Next season, hopefully Jauron will be gone and they can concentrate on the Tackle positions instead of the secondary. In that sense, we might not be far away from having a tough, respectable team with playoff chances.
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