Kettle Creek Football Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 must be the off season, Lets not tear folks apart over different reactions to something tragic like this, especially taking things out of context. Good point. Let the two of them lie in peace. It's none of our business what the extenuating circumstances were.
DerekJ Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Actually, some states it is a crime. New York defines an adulterer as a person who "engages in sexual intercourse with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other person has a living spouse. True but it is very rarely prosecuted in those states in which it is a crime.
lets_go_bills Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 My God, this is awful news. Very very sad to hear this. I am shocked and saddened. He was a great man and a great player, this is just terrible news. My thoughts and prayers go out to McNair's friends and family. Rest in peace Steve and God bless.
HurlyBurly51 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 must be the off season, Lets not tear folks apart over different reactions to something tragic like this, especially taking things out of context. Who's being torn apart, and what is taken out of context? He simply "put his money down" that a sig other did the killings, to which I responded that the evidence suggests otherwise. He then asked if I read any of his following posts, none of which supported a change in his original theory. It's pretty obvious what happened here, just trying to point him in the right direction.
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Who's being torn apart, and what is taken out of context? He simply "put his money down" that a sig other did the killings, to which I responded that the evidence suggests otherwise. He then asked if I read any of his following posts, none of which supported a change in his original theory. It's pretty obvious what happened here, just trying to point him in the right direction. I meant more in general and didn't mean to point my post completely in your direction. Lots of folks giving there last respects along with the mixed reactions and maybe out of respect for the late Steve Mcnair and his surviving family members we shouldn't let the thread get to out of hand.
buckeyemike Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Reminds me of the jackasses that think they know exactly what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11, from looking at three pictures. A while back on this board, there was some guy propagating the theory that a missile, not a jet, crashed into the Pentagon on that horrible day. He was all gung-ho about his little theory. Until someone (I don't remember who) posted that they lived nearby and actually saw the jet flying low from their apartment window seconds before it hit the Pentagon. It shut the theorist up pretty damn quick. The point is, none of us know the circumstances until the authorities piece together the evidence and figure out what happened. That will take weeks, maybe even months, but it will probably be done correctly by the Nashville Police Department. So we can take all of our theories and $3.50, and buy a latte at Starbucks. Oh, BTW, leave Cablelady alone. I had the same thought...he's a married man, what in the world is he doing with a girl half his age, spending all this time with her and buying a truck with her, etc. But other than that, it is none of our business because we're not affected.
Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Don't get me started, Buck-o. answer the question. He deserved to die for this?
Steely Dan Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 I found myself thinking the same thing. I didn't know the girlfriend had a husband, but i still was thinking along the lines of an angry boyfriend/husband. Kinda sad, murders usually only are related to three things: 1)money, 2)drugs, 3)women/men 4) The sick need to kill. Where do I say the sick need to kill is a part of this case? I don't. I'm merely pointing out that there is one other thing murders can be related to. The sick need to kill by some people. You are interpreting that in a way it wasn't meant. I never said "In this case...". That's where I'm putting my money right now.Very nice words from Greggo. Evidence points to the contrary. Yep. I believe you wrote "the sick need to kill." That changes your original supposition that it was a sig other how? Read above. im letting cablelady slide considering the little boy's club that she, Lori and the other female posters tolerate around here now excuse me while i update my avatar with pics of boobs like its the first time ive ever seen a pair... Or a really, really lousy shot. My point was that one shouldn't try to psychologically profile a crime scene one hasn't even seen. Reminds me of the jackasses that think they know exactly what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11, from looking at three pictures. But I know Steely Dan is just having fun (so-to-speak), and knows not to take himself too seriously. I wasn't trying to diagnose a crime scene I was just offering insight on murders that I've gleaned from many different sources. You have done this yourself. If a person is shot or stabbed once or twice to kill them then it could be a stranger. If someone is shot or stabbed to the point of overkill it's usually somebody that has a passionate reason for killing the person. JMO must be the off season, Lets not tear folks apart over different reactions to something tragic like this, especially taking things out of context. Shut up jerkface. What evidence do you have that the Russians are responsible for this!!
HurlyBurly51 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Read above. You said your money was on the sig other. When pointed out evidence suggests otherwise, you say read my posts after that. None of them indicate a change of theory on your part. No big deal, you just need to learn how to interpret the facts better.
cale Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 I don't know the details of this tragic event. At best, it looks like McNair exercised bad judgment and at worse, it looks like he exploited a girl barely out of her teens. She probably was just as happy to be with him regardless of his status. Though reports today indicate he told her he was divorcing his wife. I don't know if that was true. No divorce proceedings were filed in Nashville court where they live at least part time. Either way McNair was well loved in this community and did his share of giving back. But even recently it has been shown that he has been DUI. Proof that his judgment isn't the best. The first time they let him off on a technicality and the second time during the trial the cop's history was drug through the mud. This last time his presence in the Escalade wasn't even recorded in the affidavit. He was allowed to leave in a taxi. IMHO, if this was a non celebrity - the accommodation of his guilt and behavior would never have happened regardless of how much of a "good guy" the person was. Again, proof that society treats celebrities in ways that precludes them taking responsibility for their actions. There is no greater evidence of this than the Michael Jackson episode. Steve was a good guy and didn't deserve to be shot by anyone. I'm not sure if anyone he looked up to stepped in to say how his behavior may have been jeopardizing his health, safety and legacy. But young (or old) millionaires tend to not listen to advice even when it's good. Cause no one sets any boundaries for them when they have power, money, celebrity and influence. All this is very sad IMHO and could have been avoided. C
The Dean Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 I don't know the details of this tragic event. At best, it looks like McNair exercised bad judgment and at worse, it looks like he exploited a girl barely out of her teens. Exploited her? Was he having her turn tricks for him? Do porn? I admit I don't follow the gossip as well as some here, but I haven't head anything that suggests it wasn't a legit relationship.
DC Tom Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 I wasn't trying to diagnose a crime scene I was just offering insight on murders that I've gleaned from many different sources. You have done this yourself. If a person is shot or stabbed once or twice to kill them then it could be a stranger. If someone is shot or stabbed to the point of overkill it's usually somebody that has a passionate reason for killing the person. JMO I know. For you, it's just a thought-exercise. You hypothesize as an intellectual game. Other people actually take their amateur CSI-act seriously, though. BTW...there's a lot more to "done in anger" than just multiple shots. Someone who's never handled a gun before might just start pulling the trigger until the gun's empty or the target falls, simply as a panic reaction. Unless McNair took five or six shots to the groin, I wouldn't personally assume...
Beerball Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 answer the question. He deserved to die for this? I believe that is exactly what the lady said. Oh wait, she said nothing of the sort, my bad.
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 I know. For you, it's just a thought-exercise. You hypothesize as an intellectual game. Other people actually take their amateur CSI-act seriously, though. BTW...there's a lot more to "done in anger" than just multiple shots. Someone who's never handled a gun before might just start pulling the trigger until the gun's empty or the target falls, simply as a panic reaction. Unless McNair took five or six shots to the groin, I wouldn't personally assume... Initially though, depending on the placement of the shots, it does appear like overkill and usually occurs in a fit of rage just like numerous stabs vs. one or two fatal stab wounds. I do admit however an inexperienced shooter could do the same thing.
HurlyBurly51 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Unless McNair took five or six shots to the groin, I wouldn't personally assume... Two to the body, two to the head. She had one in the head. All shots from the same gun, which was found underneath her body, which was lying close to his.
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Two to the body, two to the head. She had one in the head. All shots from the same gun, which was found underneath her body, which was lying close to his. Wow, that sounds like a hit. or murder/suicide?
Bill from NYC Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Wow, that sounds like a hit. I am less sure.. If she had the 4 shots and he had 1 it would look like a murder/suicide. It still does, but it is rare when a female is the shooter on a murder/suicide.
Bill from NYC Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 I never said I was glad he's dead. Some of you should learn how to read. If you had said that I would have disagreed, and still thought (known) you one nice, sweet woman.
Steely Dan Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 You said your money was on the sig other. When pointed out evidence suggests otherwise, you say read my posts after that. None of them indicate a change of theory on your part. No big deal, you just need to learn how to interpret the facts better. You're post came at 1:13. I posted this below in response to someone asking why they weren't looking for anyone and only going with a murder suicide theory. There are fairly easy ways to diagnose a suicide. If the gun is still in the hand, how close the shot was to the body, how the body fell, the clues at the crime scene etc... etc.... It is my fault for not being completely clear on some stuff and I can kinda see where a misinterpretation could be made. My post above was defending the murder suicide theory because I had changed to the murder suicide one based on new (reported) evidence.
Guest dog14787 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 I am less sure.. If she had the 4 shots and he had 1 it would look like a murder/suicide. It still does, but it is rare when a female is the shooter on a murder/suicide. To set it up to look like a murder /suicide with her as the killer could be a clue in itself. Steve Mcnairs wife would have motive to do that, so would a hit man, and so would an estranged boyfriend of Sahel Kazemi, which if not ruled a homicide/suicide I would be looking in that direction because this doesn't look like a crime a woman would commit.
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