X. Benedict Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 And I disagree. What does what's going on in Iraq have to do with the state of Alaska. How would her knowledge of Iraq altered the way she governed the state of Alaska. I don't want my Gov spending any time worrying about that, it's not his job and there is nothing he can do about it. He needs to concern himself with the running of the state. The constitution? Should she be educated on it? Yes. Be a constitutional scholar? No. It has nothing to do with the individual state and everything to do with the states as a collective. Each state has their own constitution which the governor should know backwards and forwards. Now to run for the office of VP that's a different story. I really think that you should always look to someone who was running for Pres to be your VP, that person should be well prepared to handle the VP position. Not ready for prime time? Overwhelmed with the nomination? Yes. Stupid? No. I want Governors and Presidents to understand the constitution better than me. That's my bias. Biden for all his loquaciousness and my personal distaste for him....was elected Judiciary Chair and Foreign Relation Chair by his peers in the Senate. Seniority plays a role there, but still.......and he did practice after Syracuse Law and passed the Delaware bar. Palin however did do very well at Idaho Panhandle Community College and the other three JuCo's she attended.
Chef Jim Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I want Governors and Presidents to understand the constitution better than me.That's my bias. Biden for all his loquaciousness and my personal distaste for him....was elected Judiciary Chair and Foreign Relation Chair by his peers in the Senate. Seniority plays a role there, but still.......and he did practice after Syracuse Law and passed the Delaware bar. Palin however did do very well at Idaho Panhandle Community College and the other three JuCo's she attended. Trust me, I'm not sticking up for Palin saying she a Rhodes Scholar. But do you think she's stupid as Kelly is assuming?
Magox Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Seniority plays a role there, but still.......and he did practice after Syracuse Law and passed the Delaware bar. Palin however did do very well at Idaho Panhandle Community College and the other three JuCo's she attended. Are you implying that a measure of a woman or man's success is the University or college they went to?
Kelly the Dog Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Not one of the criticisms that you mentioned above, equate to stupidity. Ignorance, well, that is another story. If you don't read, or know, or understand, the Constitution of the United States when you are Governor of one of those states, you're stupid. Do you really want to argue that?
X. Benedict Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Are you implying that a measure of a woman or man's success is the University or college they went to? Quite the opposite actually.
Magox Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 If you don't read, or know, or understand, the Constitution of the United States when you are Governor of one of those states, you're stupid. Do you really want to argue that? If you don't read something, that isn't stupid, it is ignorance. If you read it and don't understand it, then that could be considered stupid. To say it is stupid of her for not reading the Constitution of the US, while she is a governor is acceptable, but to call her Stupid for not reading the Constitution would not be accurate. Do you see the difference Dog? Say you do, because if you don't, then I think it is fair game for me to call you stupid, since you would be lacking in the "understanding" and comprehension department.
X. Benedict Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Trust me, I'm not sticking up for Palin saying she a Rhodes Scholar. But do you think she's stupid as Kelly is assuming? Personally, I don't think she is stupid. I do have a perception that she is ignorant in the sense that she is uninformed.
X. Benedict Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 If you don't read something, that isn't stupid, it is ignorance. If you read it and don't understand it, then that could be considered stupid. To say it is stupid of her for not reading the Constitution of the US, while she is a governor is acceptable, but to call her Stupid for not reading the Constitution would not be accurate. Do you see the difference Dog? Say you do, because if you don't, then I think it is fair game for me to call you stupid, since you would be lacking in the "understanding" and comprehension department. this was much of my line of thinking.... but I don't think she has ever bothered to read the constitution.
blzrul Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Personally, I don't think she is stupid. I do have a perception that she is ignorant in the sense that she is uninformed. She strikes me as one of those folks you encounter in business who throw out all the buzzwords and acronyms with only the vaguest understanding of what they really mean. That's ignorance. I think she's actually pretty cagey to have gotten so far on so little substance. I imagine if she looked like Bella Abzug or Phyllis Diller we wouldn't be having this conversation....her looks offset her shallowness just enough.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 If you don't read something, that isn't stupid, it is ignorance. If you read it and don't understand it, then that could be considered stupid. To say it is stupid of her for not reading the Constitution of the US, while she is a governor is acceptable, but to call her Stupid for not reading the Constitution would not be accurate. Do you see the difference Dog? Say you do, because if you don't, then I think it is fair game for me to call you stupid, since you would be lacking in the "understanding" and comprehension department. There are all different kinds of stupid. And if you are stupid, it doesn't obviously mean everything you do or say is stupid. I'm saying she is both stupid, and it was stupid of her to do certain things like not read or not understand the constitution. There are endless examples of her being stupid, ill-informed, ignorant, lazy, arrogant, unwilling to understand, incurious, etc, that I grouped all together as "Sarah Palin is stupid."
Magox Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 She strikes me as one of those folks you encounter in business who throw out all the buzzwords and acronyms with only the vaguest understanding of what they really mean. That's ignorance. I think she's actually pretty cagey to have gotten so far on so little substance. I imagine if she looked like Bella Abzug or Phyllis Diller we wouldn't be having this conversation....her looks offset her shallowness just enough. personally, I think you two should slap some grease on each other, dive into the little kitty pool and see who the real woman is. I'd give her 5 to 1 odds that she'd take you out
Kelly the Dog Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 She strikes me as one of those folks you encounter in business who throw out all the buzzwords and acronyms with only the vaguest understanding of what they really mean. That's ignorance. I think she's actually pretty cagey to have gotten so far on so little substance. I imagine if she looked like Bella Abzug or Phyllis Diller we wouldn't be having this conversation....her looks offset her shallowness just enough. All of that is very true, IMO. I should say that even though I believe she is a stupid, ill-informed, ignorant, uneducated, incurious, arrogant person, she does possess other fine qualities that are very good for a politician and that got her to where she is able to fool people. She's politically very shrewd at times. And yes, a stupid person can be shrewd. I also think very highly of her as a working mother (despite what I think is funny about "family values" and teenage abstinence). I thoroughly admire certain parts of her personality and life story.
X. Benedict Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 There are all different kinds of stupid. And if you are stupid, it doesn't obviously mean everything you do or say is stupid. I'm saying she is both stupid, and it was stupid of her to do certain things like not read or not understand the constitution. There are endless examples of her being stupid, ill-informed, ignorant, lazy, arrogant, unwilling to understand, incurious, etc, that I grouped all together as "Sarah Palin is stupid." Because we are comparing Palin and Biden...I think if you were to ask either of them something as random as these 5 topics.... 1. The post cold war evolution of the Baltic States 2. How the Federal Reserve works 3. Demographics of the Aging population 4. Executive Privelege 5. American Agriculture and Tariffs I think you would find that Biden could speak for 90 minutes (easily) on each and be 5% wrong. I think you would find that Palin could speak for 5 minutes and be 90% wrong. The danger with Biden is he is assured enough to think he knows even the 5%. The danger with Palin is that she wouldn't know enough to spot a flaw in logic from any adviser on any of those topics.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Because we are comparing Palin and Biden...I think if you were to ask either of them something as random as these 5 topics.... 1. The post cold war evolution of the Baltic States 2. How the Federal Reserve works 3. Demographics of the Aging population 4. Executive Privelege 5. American Agriculture and Tariffs I think you would find that Biden could speak for 90 minutes (easily) on each and be 5% wrong. I think you would find that Palin could speak for 5 minutes and be 90% wrong. The danger with Biden is he is assured enough to think he knows even the 5%. The danger with Palin is that she wouldn't know enough to spot a flaw in logic from any adviser on any of those topics. I think you over-estimate Palin in spots. She would talk for 5 minutes on a couple of those topics in platitudes that may sound to some like she knew what she was talking about but in reality knew zero about them, not 5%. Otherwise, I think you nailed it. Although Biden constantly says he doesn't know everything and could be wrong and listens to the other side. He just makes too many verbal mistakes.
DC Tom Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Because we are comparing Palin and Biden...I think if you were to ask either of them something as random as these 5 topics.... 1. The post cold war evolution of the Baltic States 2. How the Federal Reserve works 3. Demographics of the Aging population 4. Executive Privelege 5. American Agriculture and Tariffs I think you would find that Biden could speak for 90 minutes (easily) on each and be 5% wrong. I think you would find that Palin could speak for 5 minutes and be 90% wrong. The danger with Biden is he is assured enough to think he knows even the 5%. The danger with Palin is that she wouldn't know enough to spot a flaw in logic from any adviser on any of those topics. I think Palin might be able to discuss #4 with a semblance of intelligence, frankly. And #1, of course. She can see them from her front porch, after all...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I think Palin might be able to discuss #4 with a semblance of intelligence, frankly. I doubt it. She claimed executive privilege applied to her husband Todd for emails sent out from her office even though he wasn't an elected official or state employee of any sort. Palin had claimed executive privilege for documents copied to her husband, who is not a state employee, in responding to an open records request in June made by Andrée McLeod, an activist in Anchorage. The administrative appeal filed yesterday by McLeod's attorney, Donald C. Mitchell, argued that by copying Todd Palin on sensitive state correspondence, the governor and her aides shattered the privilege rightly afforded elected officials. "She has allowed Todd Palin -- who has not been elected by the people of Alaska, who is not a state employee -- to entangle himself apparently as he sees fit in the operations of the executive branch of the state government," Mitchell said. "From the case law, if government voluntarily opens up that internal decision-making to what I would call civilians, then that is waiver of that protection of the government policy decision-making process. That is what happened here, and it happened because Sarah Palin doesn't understand it," he said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8090903044.html
X. Benedict Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I think Palin might be able to discuss #4 with a semblance of intelligence, frankly. And #1, of course. She can see them from her front porch, after all... I can hear her now... "Legislatures shouldn't go around doing things that governors are supposed to do because things shouldn't work that way....I can't go in and pass laws because that would be something we wouldn't want....just like a football coach can march into the game to score touchdowns, we know he can't do that, don't we?"
GG Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 And #1, of course. She can see them from her front porch, after all... If she can do that, then she deserves to be POTUS. Jamie Sommers in the House!!! (Yes, I know, she had the ear)
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