Matt in KC Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 So Whitner for a third rounder... hmm. I think Whitner has about a 90% chance of being a solid starter this year, 85% next, and maybe a 75% chance the following year (who knows with injuries etc.) I'd say a third rounder in next year's draft has around a zero percent chance of being a solid starter this year, about a 10-20% chance next year, and a 25-45% the following year. Heart Throb is certainly a a troll, so Bill, or anyone who actually does want to present an argument, you might disagree on the percentages a bit, but how would this trade make any sense? No one feeis like a better safety could certainly be drafted in the third round of next year's draft... do they?
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Four reasons to trade Whitner otherwised known as Coy Wire. 1.) We don't need "leaders" guaranteeing the playoffs, and then in the season finale after we don't make the playoffs getting flattened by a career 3rd down running back. He got ran over like a waitress in the way of Rosie Odonnel and a Pizza Hut Buffet. 2.) Boy George could put up better stats and make more plays than Wire......I mean Whitner. 3.) He is 6th round talent that we feel obligated to start because we wasted a 1st rounder on. 4.) He gets tasered outside of nightclubs far to often. Everyone can B word on this board on how we should not trade Whitner because we do not have anyone more talented than him at his position on the roster. And a lot of you say he is one of the few leaders on defense. But leaders are made and respected by what they do on the field. And Donte Whitner has definitely not lead with his PLAY on the field!! (And I do not think that getting run over on one play is grounds to trade someone.) Two big problems with Whitner. 1) He is just too physically small to play Safety in the NFL. Consequently, he will get run over at times, and get injured a bunch. 2) He does not have a lot of talent for whatever reason. Not much of a burst, and his instincts in the passing game are marginal at best. Plays a lot more like a 6th rounder talent wise, than a 1st rounder. And I have watched every game he has played in. One of the reasons that we have not been a top flight team as of late is because we have a lot of Donte Whitners starting-guys with minimal talent. (At least we have gotten rid of the many marginal O lineman we have had for years) Oh, and Jason Peters had some talent, but played like he was marginal, because he had no drive. I am really curious to see what Jarious Byrd brings to the table with his game. Some guys just have the instincts to find the football and some guys don't.
1billsfan Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Everyone can B word on this board on how we should not trade Whitner because we do not have anyone more talented than him at his position on the roster. And a lot of you say he is one of the few leaders on defense. But leaders are made and respected by what they do on the field. And Donte Whitner has definitely not lead with his PLAY on the field!! (And I do not think that getting run over on one play is grounds to trade someone.) Two big problems with Whitner. 1) He is just too physically small to play Safety in the NFL. Consequently, he will get run over at times, and get injured a bunch. 2) He does not have a lot of talent for whatever reason. Not much of a burst, and his instincts in the passing game are marginal at best. Plays a lot more like a 6th rounder talent wise, than a 1st rounder. And I have watched every game he has played in. One of the reasons that we have not been a top flight team as of late is because we have a lot of Donte Whitners starting-guys with minimal talent. (At least we have gotten rid of the many marginal O lineman we have had for years) Oh, and Jason Peters had some talent, but played like he was marginal, because he had no drive. I am really curious to see what Jarious Byrd brings to the table with his game. Some guys just have the instincts to find the football and some guys don't. Didn't you know? The TSW mob will label you as being "retarded", a troll, a moron, and a dumb fuc# for having this less than favorable opinion of golden boy Donte Whitner. If you dare believe this of their beloved Donte Whitner then you have no understanding of football, let alone the "nuances" of the game.
WVUFootball29 Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Didn't you know? The TSW mob will label you as being "retarded", a troll, a moron, and a dumb fuc# for having this less than favorable opinion of golden boy Donte Whitner. If you dare believe this of their beloved Donte Whitner then you have no understanding of football, let alone the "nuances" of the game. No, we'll label you that way for the lack of any real evidence to support any of your claims and spending more time calling people names than trying to defend anything you've said with a rational thought or 2.
1billsfan Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 No, we'll label you that way for the lack of any real evidence to support any of your claims and spending more time calling people names than trying to defend anything you've said with a rational thought or 2. Says a member of the TSW mob who's calling card is name calling with "shut up" and "get out of here you troll" being their two biggest debating points.
SteamRoller67 Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Everyone can B word on this board on how we should not trade Whitner because we do not have anyone more talented than him at his position on the roster. And a lot of you say he is one of the few leaders on defense. But leaders are made and respected by what they do on the field. And Donte Whitner has definitely not lead with his PLAY on the field!! (And I do not think that getting run over on one play is grounds to trade someone.) Two big problems with Whitner. 1) He is just too physically small to play Safety in the NFL. Consequently, he will get run over at times, and get injured a bunch. 2) He does not have a lot of talent for whatever reason. Not much of a burst, and his instincts in the passing game are marginal at best. Plays a lot more like a 6th rounder talent wise, than a 1st rounder. And I have watched every game he has played in. One of the reasons that we have not been a top flight team as of late is because we have a lot of Donte Whitners starting-guys with minimal talent. (At least we have gotten rid of the many marginal O lineman we have had for years) Oh, and Jason Peters had some talent, but played like he was marginal, because he had no drive. I am really curious to see what Jarious Byrd brings to the table with his game. Some guys just have the instincts to find the football and some guys don't. Saying Whitner is too small to play safety is flat wrong. Your 2nd point may be true. I agree his production needs to increase with regards to pass coverage, knock downs and interceptions. We'll see in 2009 if that improves with the return of Schobel and the addition of Maybin. I don't think Chad Johnson thinks Donte Whitner is too small..... Here's a comparison of some elite safety's around the league per NFL.com: Donte Whitner - 5'10" - 208 Ed Reed - 5'11" - 200 Troy Polamalu - 5'10" - 207 Adrian Wilson - 6'3" - 230 Kerry Rhodes - 6'3" - 220 Bob Sanders - 5'8" - 206 Wilson and Rhodes are huge, but the rest are right on par with Donte.
WVUFootball29 Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Says a member of the TSW mob who's calling card is name calling with "shut up" and "get out of here you troll" being their two biggest debating points. I'd love to see where at anytime I've said either of those.
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Saying Whitner is too small to play safety is flat wrong. Your 2nd point may be true. I agree his production needs to increase with regards to pass coverage, knock downs and interceptions. We'll see in 2009 if that improves with the return of Schobel and the addition of Maybin.I don't think Chad Johnson thinks Donte Whitner is too small..... Here's a comparison of some elite safety's around the league per NFL.com: Donte Whitner - 5'10" - 208 Ed Reed - 5'11" - 200 Troy Polamalu - 5'10" - 207 Adrian Wilson - 6'3" - 230 Kerry Rhodes - 6'3" - 220 Bob Sanders - 5'8" - 206 Wilson and Rhodes are huge, but the rest are right on par with Donte. The hit on Ochosinco was sweet. But I want to see a whole lot more of that. Looking at Whitner compared to Troy P. and Ed Reed, he just looks a lot shorter. But that is just my observation.
1billsfan Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 I'd love to see where at anytime I've said either of those. You were supporting the mob and the TSW mob was who that comment was in referral to. Wasn't meant for you specifically.
The Dean Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 You were supporting the mob and the TSW mob was who that comment was in referral to. Wasn't meant for you specifically. Mob? Do you think there are meetings that you aren't invited to? Do you think we contact each other via PM or email to discuss how to handle your ongoing nonsense? Have you noticed how your posts get attacked by a number of TSW posters with diverse opinions, who often argue among themselves? Instead of blaming the illusionary "mob", maybe it's a good idea to look inward, from time to time.
MarkAF43 Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Don't forget, this weeks meeting will be held at 2, so we can allow more time for people to enjoy the long weekend
The Dean Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Don't forget, this weeks meeting will be held at 2, so we can allow more time for people to enjoy the long weekend All glory to the TSW Mob!
Alaska Darin Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 The hit on Ochosinco was sweet. But I want to see a whole lot more of that. Looking at Whitner compared to Troy P. and Ed Reed, he just looks a lot shorter. But that is just my observation. When have you ever seen them stand next to each other? The arguments against Whitner are laughable and at this point more of the "if we repeat it often enough, eventually it'll be true" mentality. The BILLS have ton of problems on the defensive side of the football and have for years. Whitner isn't one of them and hasn't been.
1billsfan Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Mob? Do you think there are meetings that you aren't invited to? Do you think we contact each other via PM or email to discuss how to handle your ongoing nonsense? Have you noticed how your posts get attacked by a number of TSW posters with diverse opinions, who often argue among themselves? Instead of blaming the illusionary "mob", maybe it's a good idea to look inward, from time to time. Wow, you are losing it Dean. I just think the habitual name callers here are a bunch of guys with self-esteem issues.
WVUFootball29 Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Wow, you are losing it Dean. I just think the habitual name callers here are a bunch of guys with self-esteem issues. Hey pot, its kettle....you're black sorry couldn't resist since I'm part of the mob
Lurker Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Instead of blaming the illusionary "mob", maybe it's a good idea to look inward, from time to time. A better idea would be to ignore the flatulence, or at least blame it on the dog...
1billsfan Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Hey pot, its kettle....you're black sorry couldn't resist since I'm part of the mob I rarely attack someone personally here. Use sacrasm? Hell yes. Personal attacks? Try not to go there. But I did fall off the wagon and I do apologize for the "jock sniffer" comment earlier in the thread. But there's no doubt that there's a mob type mentality here where if the majority doesn't agree with you, then you're from mars and it's free-for-all pile up on the poster time. Even the few times that I did agree with these guys I never felt the urge to, as part of a group, make fun of someone personally by calling them names. There's nothing more stupid than thinking your sh__ is better than the other guy's sh__ to the point of putting them down with a personal attack on a message board. Can't you be more creative than that and knock down the opinion and not the poster? This place just keeps getting nastier and nastier. We're all Bills fans. Shouldn't we all try to at least have a minimal amount of respect for one another?
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 When have you ever seen them stand next to each other? The arguments against Whitner are laughable and at this point more of the "if we repeat it often enough, eventually it'll be true" mentality. The BILLS have ton of problems on the defensive side of the football and have for years. Whitner isn't one of them and hasn't been. Yea Whitner is just a stud, I forgot. My point is he is small, and plays small. Watch him try and cover any tight end who is over six feet tall. Sure Whitner doesn't suck, but he sure doesn't have the athletic ability or the football instincts that you would expect from a first round pick, let alone a high first round pick. Whitner hasn't been a big problem, but he sure hasn't been the solution.
Heart Throb Posted July 2, 2009 Author Posted July 2, 2009 Don't forget, this weeks meeting will be held at 2, so we can allow more time for people to enjoy the long weekend 2 funny man, your hilarious!
Alaska Darin Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Yea Whitner is just a stud, I forgot. My point is he is small, and plays small. Watch him try and cover any tight end who is over six feet tall. Sure Whitner doesn't suck, but he sure doesn't have the athletic ability or the football instincts that you would expect from a first round pick, let alone a high first round pick. Whitner hasn't been a big problem, but he sure hasn't been the solution. I'd have to go back and look at film but I don't remember Whitner being in coverage on Tight Ends very often. As far as "playing small", the guy played at least half of last season with one arm virtually dislocated from the shoulder socket. I'm gonna go ahead and forgive him for that. As far as his athletic ability and football instincts go: I'm quite sure there would be a whole bunch of teams with much better defenses than ours who would love to have Donte Whitner and would actually put him in a position to succeed, instead of using him to cover weaknesses in the Front Seven - which the BILLS have been doing for 3 seasons now. But go ahead and keep regurgitating the standard talk radio garbage. We both know what you know. If Troy Polamalu played in Buffalo everyone would be whining that he's always out of position and needs to cut his hair.
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