DrFishfinder Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Then you need to get a better memory, or learn to watch the game more carefully. I think you're gonna be oh for two Mr. D.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 One thing I have to give the Bills credit for is recognizing the value of current players when their contract in Buffalo ends. With the exception of Pat Williams, the Bills have let players go to FA and those players have proven to be nothing more than a reliable starter. I.E Nate Clements, Takeo Spikes, Drew Bledsoe, Antoine Winfield ( OK he made the Pro Bowl last year but it was a first for him)
billsfreak Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Trade Whitner and replace him with whom? There is more to being a defensive back than just interceptions. Often, defensive schemes don't put safetys in a position to make interceptions. Is Whitner the best safety in the NFL? No. Is he as good as Ed Reed? No. Is he in the top 25% of safeties in the NFL? I would easily say yes. You obviously don't know a whole lot about defenses or coverage schemes. Just because someone gets open downfield, doesn't mean you have to blame it on the player that was the highest draft pick. Glad you aren't the GM, this team would really be in trouble, more so than it has been.
1billsfan Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 You have no clue about my thoughts on Donte Whitner. My post talks about the OP. You are an angry person and perhaps should consider medicating yourself with something besides online message boards and facebook. You called the OP's post ridiculous, called him uneducated all the while making the insinuation that low post count totals somehow is equivalent to a Bills fan's level of football knowledge. Don't throw stones if you aren't prepared for the blow back. Whitner has played 42 games for the Bills, he was picked 8th in the draft. Dude has just 2 interceptions. For all the angry and hate-filled criticisms that the former 26th pick JP Losman took while he was here, at least he threw 29 touchdown passes for the Bills. 2 freaking lousy interceptions in 42 games for a former 8th pick????? Don't get mad because the OP was telling the truth. For someone who's a former 8th pick overall, Whitner does stink.
Bill from NYC Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 One thing I have to give the Bills credit for is recognizing the value of current players when their contract in Buffalo ends. With the exception of Pat Williams, the Bills have let players go to FA and those players have proven to be nothing more than a reliable starter. I.E Nate Clements, Takeo Spikes, Drew Bledsoe, Antoine Winfield ( OK he made the Pro Bowl last year but it was a first for him) Clements and Winfield were little horses on the Bills first round corner merry go-round of stupidity. Spikes was seriously injured to the point that he wasn't even a fraction of his former ability, and Bledsoe was 100x better than Losman when he was released.
silvermike Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 I think a lot of posters could benefit from that. Then again, half of them don't know what they are looking at. If a player isn't producing Tecmo Bowl or Madden-like numbers, then he sucks and should be traded. Which is another point that makes know sense. If a player is that bad, who in their right mind would trade for them? Seriously, are you that delusional to think the the Bills FO that was "stupid" to draft a player is smart enough to trade that player for a team that would take him? Bit of a contradiction there. Even if a trade were to happen, who is Buffalo going to get to step in and be more productive than Whitner? Trent Edwards sucks! He doesn't have the speed to run back to the back of the endzone from midfield without being sacked, and even if he did, he doesn't have the arm strength to throw a 110-yard TD pass!
QB Bills Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 If Whitner was to be traded, who would: a) hold slumber parties for the defense? b) guarantee the playoffs, then go the whole season without being noticed? c) be sammy morris' tackling dummy on gameday? d) spend all his time on facebook instead of perfecting his craft? He's too slow to catch quick rb's, too weak to tackle big ones, and too stupid to get interceptions (anyone remember the play early on at the jets this year?). The only reason people defend him is because he was the 8th overall pick, and is 'supposed' to be good. Newsflash, he's not. If you can't get anything for him, give him a set of pompoms and tell him to join the Jills, because cheerleading is the only notable thing he's done thus far in his career.
Lv-Bills Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Anyone who even debates how good of a football player Donte Whitner is until this clears up (Kelsay, Williams, Stroud, Denney/Schobel) is a moron. Whitner is a solid football player, and would be much better, if there was even an inkling of talent outside of Marcus Stroud up front. The pass rush is your pass defense. Period. The better the line, the better the people behind the line. Some of you really need to coach football, even if it's at the pee wee level, to better see just how a dominate line can be of help.
CFLstyle Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Im sorry your right, the coaching staff does not want Whitner to make plays or cover the tight ends so they don't blow by him everytime. And that 2 interceptions in three years is problably 2 more than the coaching staff wouldve liked. Since you seem to know that the coaching staff does not want him to make plays, Is his role in the defense to get tasered at night clubs? As you and Dick Jauron would say "Of course we wouldve liked him not to have screamed when he hit the floor, but that's part of getting tasered. Hopefully we can improve on it for next time. He showed a lot of effort when he was rolling around on the ground for a minute there. It's a learning process and we as coaches have to have patience." Wow, you're a real piece of work, aren't you?
The Dean Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Im sorry your right, the coaching staff does not want Whitner to make plays or cover the tight ends so they don't blow by him everytime. And that 2 interceptions in three years is problably 2 more than the coaching staff wouldve liked. Since you seem to know that the coaching staff does not want him to make plays, Is his role in the defense to get tasered at night clubs? As you and Dick Jauron would say "Of course we wouldve liked him not to have screamed when he hit the floor, but that's part of getting tasered. Hopefully we can improve on it for next time. He showed a lot of effort when he was rolling around on the ground for a minute there. It's a learning process and we as coaches have to have patience." Wow, I missed this. You are a dumb fuc#, aren't you?
DC Tom Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 You called the OP's post ridiculous, called him uneducated all the while making the insinuation that low post count totals somehow is equivalent to a Bills fan's level of football knowledge. Don't throw stones if you aren't prepared for the blow back. Whitner has played 42 games for the Bills, he was picked 8th in the draft. Dude has just 2 interceptions. For all the angry and hate-filled criticisms that the former 26th pick JP Losman took while he was here, at least he threw 29 touchdown passes for the Bills. 2 freaking lousy interceptions in 42 games for a former 8th pick????? Don't get mad because the OP was telling the truth. For someone who's a former 8th pick overall, Whitner does stink. 1) Interceptions are not the sole measure of a defensive back. 2) Even if they were, he's a SS without a pass rush in front of him. 3) He's probably too busy leading the team in tackles and assists over the last three years to do much intercepting. So...yeah, get rid of him. Great idea.
The Dean Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 1) Interceptions are not the sole measure of a defensive back.2) Even if they were, he's a SS without a pass rush in front of him. 3) He's probably too busy leading the team in tackles and assists over the last three years to do much intercepting. So...yeah, get rid of him. Great idea. Apparently you don't understand that tackles are meaningless, unless they are behind the LOS. That's why Fletcher sucked so hard when he was here.
rpcolosi Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 The most vivid memories I have of Donte Whitner up to this point in his career are watching mediocre tight ends run right by him, or him draped on their back as they go up and catch the ball over the deep middle. I can honestly say I do not have a bias when it comes to Whitner. I was hoping he would step up his game last season. But lets face it, a #8 pick in the draft 4 years ago with 2 career interceptions, who makes no big plays is at this point a bust. Some might not agree but if I could compare him to one player it would be Coy Wire. Always just a half step late on all of his coverage but a decent tackler. Bryd can not possibly be less dynamic than Whitner. My thought is that much of the league has not caught on to the fact that he stinks. (ESPN line of thinking, that most front offices use. "I've heard of him") So I say we let him go through training camp, hope a starting safety for another team gets injured, and try to get a 3rd round pick. Before everyone else realizes all he can do is tackle. Trade him this year or else all we will be able to get for him is a Losman jersey and a half eaten bag of Lays potatoe chips. this is a pretty dumb post but hey, you're open to your opinion. we have 2 bad starters on defensive, and neither is named whitner. Ellison and Kelsay. Whitner is a run supporting SS. He is not going to get INTs ala Mark Kelso. Heck, not even like Henry jones because he is used differently in this system. Anyway, like I said, you have your opinion, it just seems brash and a little unfounded.
DC Tom Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Apparently you don't understand that tackles are meaningless, unless they are behind the LOS. That's why Fletcher sucked so hard when he was here. Ah, but there's a difference: Fletcher wasn't a #8 pick. See, that's the argument. Not that Whitner should be traded because he sucks. Whitner should be traded because despite being the team's leading tackler over the past three years, he sucks for a high first-round pick three years ago. Make sense now? Or you need a few more drinks to comprehend it?
1billsfan Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 1) Interceptions are not the sole measure of a defensive back.2) Even if they were, he's a SS without a pass rush in front of him. 3) He's probably too busy leading the team in tackles and assists over the last three years to do much intercepting. So...yeah, get rid of him. Great idea. I don't care if they got rid of him or not, but if Byrd or someone else looks as good during training camp then I'd love to see them get a shot at starting. I find it funny that one of his big supporters here just stated that if you even debate Whitner's skills then you're a moron, then he goes on to describe him as just a "solid" football player! Even his biggest supporters can't bring themselves to go beyond describing him as only "solid". He was the 8th pick in the draft and has done much less to help the Bills win in his career than Losman, who was drafted 18 spots lower. Sorry, but he's a third rounder kind of talent who was a major reach by the Bills. The pundits were right in laughing at that pick. I was hoping the Bills would be seen as the smart and crafty one's, but how foolish I was to think that. Initial gut reactions are generally the right reactions. Donte who??!! Real great pick there Marv and Dick.
The Dean Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Ah, but there's a difference: Fletcher wasn't a #8 pick. See, that's the argument. Not that Whitner should be traded because he sucks. Whitner should be traded because despite being the team's leading tackler over the past three years, he sucks for a high first-round pick three years ago. Make sense now? Or you need a few more drinks to comprehend it? I'll let you know in a little while.
DC Tom Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 Even his biggest supporters can't bring themselves to go beyond describing him as only "solid". He was the 8th pick in the draft and has done much less to help the Bills win in his career than Losman, who was drafted 18 spots lower. Sorry, but he's a third rounder kind of talent who was a major reach by the Bills. The pundits were right in laughing at that pick. I was hoping the Bills would be seen as the smart and crafty one's, but how foolish I was to think that. Initial gut reactions are generally the right reactions. Donte who??!! Real great pick there Marv and Dick. So you think he sucks because he was picked in the first round, but wouldn't suck if he was picked in the third if all his numbers stayed the same?
Ramius Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 So you think he sucks because he was picked in the first round, but wouldn't suck if he was picked in the third if all his numbers stayed the same? Well duh. You should never simply judge a player by how he performs on the field. You should always base your analysis on where the player was drafted. I mean, who cares if the guy is a merely a good player if he was drafted in round 1? If your 1st round picks aren't pro-bowlers, they should be cut regardless of their performance,simply for not living up to their draft billing. If Matt Stafford develops into merely a decent QB who throws 22 TDs per year and stabilizes the position for the Lions, he should be cut since the #1 pick should be tossing 40+ TDs and playing in the pro bowl every season.
The Dean Posted June 29, 2009 Posted June 29, 2009 When does Whitner's current contract end? Signed through 2011. Here are the base salary numbers: 2009 $2,355,000 2010 $2,445,000 2011 $1,950,750
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